The Ongoing [Warpath] News Thread

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**lord_blackfang**

Looks like an improvement.

For whomever was wondering the other day, the Tunneler's prow weapon does replace its transport bay. You can still add up to two extra transport bays, though.

**NTRabbit**

I think of it more as a transport for 5 guys plus the 2 crew, that has the capacity for 5 extra guys to throw themselves in the back and scream THEY'RE COMING GET US THE feth OUT OF HERE and still accelerate and go over bumps if they all hold on to handles and tethers!

**Lukez**

DaveC wrote:
New Alpha rules with Asterian and GCPS lists (including GCPS Marauders). GCPS has a Battle Tank as well as the Mule and Dropship

http://manticblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Warpath-KS-Alpha-06-101.pdf

change log

http://manticblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/WP-Change-Log.pdf

Really glad they made multi-basing standard. It differentiates the ruleset and its never good to try and please everyone at once! For those who don't like it there is always firefight!

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Also maybe they can fund some attractive stands for multi-basing now?

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

I think the bed is a large electro magnet that activate when it's moving, and the troopers who use it have attachment plates in their parts of their armour

I think that's how it transports cargo too, firmly stuck down by magnets

**insaniak**

DaveC wrote:
The BoW article also has a scale image for the Mule next to a current corp trooper

Spoiler:

Sigh... So close, Mantic, so close...

The tray is on a much sharper angle than I had thought from the initial isometric sketch. Which makes it look thoroughly impractical for a troop transport. Or for a cargo vehicle, for that matter.

And it should have been around twice that size.

One more for the 'Almost...' pile.

**Alpharius**

Lukez wrote:
DaveC wrote:
New Alpha rules with Asterian and GCPS lists (including GCPS Marauders). GCPS has a Battle Tank as well as the Mule and Dropship

http://manticblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Warpath-KS-Alpha-06-101.pdf

change log

http://manticblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/WP-Change-Log.pdf

Really glad they made multi-basing standard. It differentiates the ruleset and its never good to try and please everyone at once! For those who don't like it there is always firefight!

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Also maybe they can fund some attractive stands for multi-basing now?

Yikes!

Firefight or bust now!

insaniak wrote:
DaveC wrote:
The BoW article also has a scale image for the Mule next to a current corp trooper

Spoiler:

Sigh... So close, Mantic, so close...

You almost said almost!

insaniak wrote:

The tray is on a much sharper angle than I had thought from the initial isometric sketch. Which makes it look thoroughly impractical for a troop transport. Or for a cargo vehicle, for that matter.

And it should have been around twice that size.

One more for the 'Almost...' pile.

**judgedoug**

They're great. They look like future-y versions of a MACK Sherpa Special Forces vehicle.

Which is what I'll use them for. My AW Hunchbacks and Kabardins will fulfill the IFV/APC role.

That is, assuming we don't get to a hard plastic IFV/APC for Corporation.

**Barzam**

You know, the bed of the truck could actually be flat and it's just the outer section that's angled. The profile image shows that there's potentially enough room for it to be flat.

**MLaw**

CptJake wrote:
MLaw wrote:
Wow.. that thing is tiny.. hopefully that's just a case of the person doing the scale shot being daft.

If you look at the pintle mounted weapon, and assume it is meant to be fired by so hero standing in the bed, the scaling he used seems to be pretty close.

Again, I like it as a small SF Polaris/DPV type vehicle(though the down tilted bed is dumb). It just does not work as a transport vehicle for a whole squad of guys/10 man transport thing. Since I am not likely to use it in WarPath anyway, a couple may come in handy for other things.

It reminds me of my daughter's Polaris ACE, but with an armored cab.

The Mule has the same problem as the rules. Should be designed for less models. Not suited for mass combat. Just sayin

I really like the design philosophy behind it but I can't get behind 10 fully geared troops piling off of that thing.

**BobtheInquisitor**

Barzam wrote:
You know, the bed of the truck could actually be flat and it's just the outer section that's angled. The profile image shows that there's potentially enough room for it to be flat.

The panel lines in the bed of the truck do not aim towards the vanishing point, so the bed of the truck is either tilted or designed as a test, a leap of faith from the lion's head.

**Barzam**

I suspect some of the guys riding the Mule are hanging from the hand rails on the side.

**MLaw**

CptJake wrote:
MLaw wrote:
Wow.. that thing is tiny.. hopefully that's just a case of the person doing the scale shot being daft.

If you look at the pintle mounted weapon, and assume it is meant to be fired by so hero standing in the bed, the scaling he used seems to be pretty close.

Again, I like it as a small SF Polaris/DPV type vehicle(though the down tilted bed is dumb). It just does not work as a transport vehicle for a whole squad of guys/10 man transport thing. Since I am not likely to use it in WarPath anyway, a couple may come in handy for other things.

It reminds me of my daughter's Polaris ACE, but with an armored cab.

Looking at the pintle weapon (which I assumed was a crew-served weapon not a combine on a pintle) I would have suspected the infantry to be about 3/4 the size of the one they showed. Look at the driver compartment.. he's got no leg room.. One ditch too hard and his knees are gone. Then the poor guy is on disability.. and nobody wants that!

The slope on the back is only for when the troop launcher is in the upward position. It lowers flat while the troops are getting in. When it's time to launch them into battle it springs into action!

**BobtheInquisitor**

I really like the design of that tactical pick-up, so I really hope they'll pour some HIPS magic on it.

Now I'm picturing a scenario where the little jeep needs to fit into the back of the dropship for a daring getaway...

**Azazelx**

insaniak wrote:
DaveC wrote:
The BoW article also has a scale image for the Mule next to a current corp trooper

Spoiler:

Sigh... So close, Mantic, so close...
The tray is on a much sharper angle than I had thought from the initial isometric sketch. Which makes it look thoroughly impractical for a troop transport. Or for a cargo vehicle, for that matter.
And it should have been around twice that size.
One more for the 'Almost...' pile.

Yup. I had both thoughts when I saw it.

On top of that, Warpath has gone with multibasing, so that, the "detailed" sketch and the lack of renders for the Corp figures (hooray for rushed campaigns) means I'm much more indifferent to the whole thing. Looks like I'll probably drop to a dollar or so at the end of this and see how the PM plays out. Probably get a bunch of $1 infantry and might get a 3-pack of these buggies for conversion.

**lord_blackfang**

Mantic Games 8 minutes ago

Re Mule: we've already said that it will be scaled appropriately to carry two squads of troopers and are open to the idea of dropping the back/adding a cover to it, if it really needs it.

Y'all can stop now.

**MLaw**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Mantic Games 8 minutes ago

Re Mule: we've already said that it will be scaled appropriately to carry two squads of troopers and are open to the idea of dropping the back/adding a cover to it, if it really needs it.

Y'all can stop now.

Mantic has said a lot of things in the past.. I really don't feel like them hand-waving the concern away is a concrete answer/fix..

**Azazelx**

Because a note in the comments of the KS saying that they're open to fixing the issues fixes everything and will always be adhered to. You're right. /sarcasm

You don't think that the more feedback they get on the size and shape the more likely they are to fix it? Because that's how this works.

If no-one said anything, you'd get whatever they showed. All the time, except when they changed the materials or whatever else in the deal and told you later.

**lord_blackfang**

They also said they're painting over the highlight on the dropship ridge so people stop complaining about seams.

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Azazelx wrote:
Because a note in the comments of the KS saying that they're open to fixing the issues fixes everything and will always be adhered to. You're right. /sarcasm

You don't think that the more feedback they get on the size and shape the more likely they are to fix it? Because that's how this works.

If no-one said anything, you'd get whatever they showed. All the time, except when they changed the materials or whatever else in the deal and told you later.

Posting here isn't feedback, though. You can post your opinion, but repeating it beyond a certain point it just becomes some sort of forum masturbation.

**Azazelx**

Yeah, which also doesn't fix the toy-like design of having a ridge down the middle of the flyer that looks like a seam. But then, if you're easily satisfied by half-arsed solutions...

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lord_blackfang wrote:
They also said they're painting over the highlight on the dropship ridge so people stop complaining about seams.

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Azazelx wrote:
Because a note in the comments of the KS saying that they're open to fixing the issues fixes everything and will always be adhered to. You're right. /sarcasm

You don't think that the more feedback they get on the size and shape the more likely they are to fix it? Because that's how this works.
If no-one said anything, you'd get whatever they showed. All the time, except when they changed the materials or whatever else in the deal and told you later.

Posting here isn't feedback, though. You can post your opinion, but repeating it beyond a certain point it just becomes some sort of forum masturbation.

You mean like your endless water carrying and handwaving here? You must be getting close to"finishing" by now.

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FWIW, I'd stopped bothering to post about the "seam line" until you decided to bring it up again along with their non-solution.
So well done you!

**BobtheInquisitor**

lord_blackfang wrote:

Posting here isn't feedback, though. You can post your opinion, but repeating it beyond a certain point it just becomes some sort of forum masturbation.

Ronnie posted earlier in the thread. This place is much more coherent than the KS comments and much more populous than the Mantic forum. Unless Mantic is incompetent, they will be reading this thread.

...Uh...

hmm.

**MLaw**

Mantic already popped in here, said "hey guys, we do read this forum too.. and.. also stop being mean to us"
Or words to that effect..

**CptJake**

I learned several Mantic KS projects ago to avoid their comment sections. Between dumb ass Brian Blessed gak/rally stupid insider joks and folks attempting to stifle legit criticisms, I had enough.

I kind of thought Dakka was a place where I could point out what I consider valid points.

**Gitzbitah**

lord_blackfang wrote:

Posting here isn't feedback, though. You can post your opinion, but repeating it beyond a certain point it just becomes some sort of forum masturbation.

I am really interested in seeing at least renders of the GCPS , and ideally test runs of them next to the Mules. I can see why they led with the Asterians now- this army doesn't even look ready for kickstarter campaigning right now.

**Azazelx**

Well, all the information that we have says that this "KS slot" was meant to be the licensed product, with WP meant for early next year, so it makes sense. If this campaign launched in Feb, etc we would probably have seen renders for the Imperial Guard infantry models and probably some of the Skaven tunneller, Eldar dropship, Squat APC and IG Valkyrie and resin buggy as well. Possibly even 3-d prints of some of them.

**privateer4hire**

Lukez wrote:
DaveC wrote:
New Alpha rules with Asterian and GCPS lists (including GCPS Marauders). GCPS has a Battle Tank as well as the Mule and Dropship

http://manticblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Warpath-KS-Alpha-06-101.pdf

change log

http://manticblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/WP-Change-Log.pdf

Really glad they made multi-basing standard. It differentiates the ruleset and its never good to try and please everyone at once! For those who don't like it there is always firefight!

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also maybe they can fund some attractive stands for multi-basing now?

Are they also staying with specialty dice (or are the dice I've been seeing just used as counters to show battlefield effects)?

**Ahtman**

privateer4hire wrote:
Are they also staying with specialty dice (or are the dice I've been seeing just used as counters to show battlefield effects)?

They are referred to as command dice so I think they are just for showing what each unit is doing, so essentially, yes, counters.

**privateer4hire**

Bummer. I was hoping they'd be like Star Wars special dice

**lord_blackfang**

Let's not guess.

To give an Order, declare which Order you are giving,
which Commander is giving it, and to which unit, and decide how many Command dice you want to roll for the Order.
Roll the dice, and check your result. Every O [to be replaced with a symbol] icon that you roll counts as a single success. Every blank face rolled is a failure – the Order has been misunderstood or didn’t get through to your
troops. Every + [ to be replaced with a symbol ] icon means that the die can be returned to your pool after determining the result of the roll, even if the Order was unsuccessful
.

**Ahtman**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Let's not guess.

There is no fun in that.

It reminds me of Warmaster in that you had to roll to see if units did what you wanted them to do.

**Nostromodamus**

Ahtman wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
Let's not guess.

There is no fun in that.

It reminds me of Warmaster in that you had to roll to see if units did what you wanted them to do.

Except it's not like that at all.

Warpath command dice are a pool that you can draw from to do extra actions. You can still do 2 shot or 1 long action as standard.