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Eternal Crusade has made me awfully salty.

As for GW vs Blizzard, Blizzard wins in terms of writing. GW has some cool trump cards like Space Marines but most of BL is rather mediocre. WoW has lots of mediocre stuff as well, but there's also golden writing like the Arakkoa civil strife, the Mogu with their Thunder King etc.

The more I think on a Warhammer 40k Real Time Strategy, the more I conclude it would have to be a Supreme Commander type deal with massive battle fields.
I lament my lack of programming or modding ability, but if someone else out there has the talent they could try and mix Dawn of War with Supreme Commander.

JinxDragon wrote:
The more I think on a Warhammer 40k Real Time Strategy, the more I conclude it would have to be a Supreme Commander type deal with massive battle fields.
I can't stop thinking of a few mods that existed way back in the day of Total Annihilation, they created units instead of individual models, and once more morn my lack of programming talent.

Or a 40K version of Wargame Airland Battle/Red Dragon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea8pI-t2maA

 Ashiraya wrote:
Eternal Crusade has made me awfully salty.

As for GW vs Blizzard, Blizzard wins in terms of writing. GW has some cool trump cards like Space Marines but most of BL is rather mediocre. WoW has lots of mediocre stuff as well, but there's also golden writing like the Arakkoa civil strife, the Mogu with their Thunder King etc.

This confuses me. "GW is bad writing except for a few trump cards. But Blizzard has medicore writing but has good parts!" What exactly is the difference, here?

 Wyzilla wrote:

Eternal Crusade is nothing anybody sane should invest in. It has a junior team that have never worked together now working in a company responsible solely for shovelware, the game was supposed to be released this year and it has only just now entered Alpha, and the list of features dropped is longer than the list of features they have. Plus there's no word on how development of the Xenos faction goes, and for now the alpha only has SM vs CSM.

Any project, specially one done by a team that never did a project this size, is prone to delays. They're trying to do their best, and as for now it already looks better than Space Marine (in fact, it's more or less Battlefield 40k). You can of course not like it, but I do like the idea and the results so far. And I'm not an insane person.

 Wyzilla wrote:
Just because the devs actually post on a forum doesn't mean there's any actual communication going on.

Could you tell us how actual communication would be? They changed things in the game because the community asked them to.

 Psienesis wrote:
... Blizzard's setting is stolen from Warhammer. You must be on drugs.

indeed, and if you didnt know the history between games workshop and blizzard entertainment you are possibly just that ignorant. theres so much bad blood between the two thed sooner shoot each other

Both GW and Blizzard where good at building universes but lately seem to have stagnated ideas. Both seem to hero worship like crazy and create illogical plots around said worshiped heros. Both have a like for oversized characters and impractical designs. Seems like a match made in heaven and yet im 1000% sure such a game would be an abomination. I would much rather Relic continue to make 40K games (DoW 3 please). At least they seem to understand the theme of 40K plus they know how to make Orks look far more badass than anything GW has come up with.

I won't be happy with blizzard till they give me Starcraft: Ghost.

That said, I think blizzard would really excel with a FPS where you play as a Tau Fire Warror.

We should also note that, based on WoW, Blizzard shares GW's love for Big Pauldrons. Big Pauldrons and Big Beards as ways of knowing how powerful/important a given person is.

... but, yes, feth Blizzard and feth anything Blizzard produces until we have Starcraft: Ghost. When that game was pulled, Blizzard became dead to me. I won't even pirate their products.

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:
Maybe a warhammer 40,000 MMO would work?

Oh, Eternal Crusade....rest in pepperonis.

Mantorok wrote:I won't be happy with blizzard till they give me Starcraft: Ghost.

Psienesis wrote:... but, yes, feth Blizzard and feth anything Blizzard produces until we have Starcraft: Ghost. When that game was pulled, Blizzard became dead to me. I won't even pirate their products.

Nova... there's two novels about her and a manga, but that game... is it forever beyond our reach..?

Mantorok wrote:That said, I think blizzard would really excel with a FPS where you play as a Tau Fire Warror.

Heh. Omnissiah knows the last company to try that failed spectacularly...

Battlefield: 40k, anyone?

 Vankraken wrote:
Both GW and Blizzard where good at building universes but lately seem to have stagnated ideas. Both seem to hero worship like crazy and create illogical plots around said worshiped heros. Both have a like for oversized characters and impractical designs. Seems like a match made in heaven and yet im 1000% sure such a game would be an abomination. I would much rather Relic continue to make 40K games (DoW 3 please). At least they seem to understand the theme of 40K plus they know how to make Orks look far more badass than anything GW has come up with.

Archimonde is so huge he won't fit on my screen unless I tilt my camera up so far I can't see the green fire I'm trying to avoid. : /

To be fair, Archimonde is the same height as the setting's Yggdrasil expy. :p

 Jimsolo wrote:
I hate Blizzard games. Mindless clickfests don't appeal to me. I find the storytelling behind Diablo, Warcraft, and Starcraft to be lackluster at best. I think the structure of their most successful MMO is unpleasant, and have consistently found the player base for said game to be charitably described as off putting.

I don't hate them because they're successful. I dislike them because I don't enjoy their style of game. And if there is to be a 40k MMO, I'd like to see a much better system than 'Grimdark WoW.'

Let's not pretend like WH40k gamers are the most pleasant people on the planet. I mean, we've come up with a variety of terms for the jerks among us, and whenever a thread is created asking people to share their stories of WH40k jerks, there's no shortage of stories, and very few among us are able to say we've never played a game against a jerk.

We also tend to drive off a lot of the women who might be interested with our poor hygiene and social skills. And where that fails, we get TFGs to step in, brutally list tailor with no semblance of making things fun or fair, and then remark to their friends about how despite going easy on her, she still lost, which proves that women are terrible at gaming.

 curran12 wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Eternal Crusade has made me awfully salty.

As for GW vs Blizzard, Blizzard wins in terms of writing. GW has some cool trump cards like Space Marines but most of BL is rather mediocre. WoW has lots of mediocre stuff as well, but there's also golden writing like the Arakkoa civil strife, the Mogu with their Thunder King etc.

This confuses me. "GW is bad writing except for a few trump cards. But Blizzard has medicore writing but has good parts!" What exactly is the difference, here?

...Because mediocre means medium whereas bad means... bad?

As for what I actually wrote, both are mostly mediocre, but I think Blizzard has more good stuff than GW.

I'd disagree with that but BL has been atrocious the last couple of years with so much novella and e-book short story crap, not to mention so little content actually coming out from their top writers.

I'm sure that it's a question of Blizzard not asking for rights, not GW being unwilling to sell them (even for a great price).

It would be a fabulous enterprise, IMO. I know some peeps over at Bliz, and there are a decent number of GW/40k fans there. The art aesthetic is also similar.

However the likelihood of such a project, I think, is virtually zero. It just doesn't make sense for Bliz, because Bliz has its own highly successful fictional worlds, both scifi and fantasy, so why invest in developing someone else's?

There is some company out of Canada working on an MOTA for 40k, I think I saw it on Indrid's YouTube channel a few weeks ago.

If this was Blizzard, it would be 10x the quality, but I am equally sure we would not be hearing about it until after 3 years of development.

I must agree that GW is giving out the 40k license a little too much. Regicide, Kill Team, Space Hulk, Carnage, Some Tower defense game?, Martyr, Armageddon....and the list is growing. While some of these games have ended up being decent little "apps" the line lacks the substance of the DoW franchise, or the old Epic games, or even Chaos Gate.

I have seen the recent Eternal Crusade videos and summaries, and I am not impressed. It looks just like Space Marine multiplayer, nothing else other than the addition of some vehicles, which were purposed prior to the closure of THQ. I think that was a major nail in the coffin for 40k games. Also the fact that Eternal Crusade has been in long development as an MMO, and then with the changing in developers basically started the game over from scratch.

Do any of you remember the gameshots with the Black Templar Standing in front of a titan? That got me amped, but recent Alpha footage looks more like Space Marine, and less like an rpg/mmo we all deserve in the 40k universe. I will give the game a shot when it comes out, but recent GW additions have proven they are whoring out the label to make as much $$$ as they can (which a business should do, hopefully not at the cost of consumers).

The current MMO is pretty much the multiplayer of the Space Marine game that was released a few years ago in consoles PC, a 3rd person arena with a lot more options like vehicles, different classes, upgrades, etc... If you liked the multiplayer you would probably like this version, since they are huge maps and the winning of said maps are supposed to affect the rest of the world as each faction gainst more control of the planet.

It is an OK idea but to fully grasp the feel of 40k you would probably need to be a MMO where you control an army kinda like the AoEO, where you did quests in order to get upgrades for your army and could customize the looks of your army but each mission or battle is an RTS game on its own. Other option would be have control of a squad, and have something like Dragon Age inquisition where you can switch control between the members of your squad while the rest of them are controlled by an AI.

No. Just fraking no.

I played WoW for 11 years now and have steadily seen the sterilization and destruction of everything that made the game unique and interesting. Its catered to casuals and people who are too lazy and unskilled to farm / raid. 40 man Raids and needing cooperation instead of spamming revives and unbalanced abilities before patch works.

Their games have been a mess. SC2 was even worse by consideration of the general public as Blizz (Or should I say Activision-SellOut-Blizzard) tried to capitalize on the growing E sports genre of Online Gaming. Further adding to this they created HotS which was basically their attempt at reeling in some of the cash devoutees of the LoL franchise and Eports surrounding the extremely popular DOTA type game. Which, yes I know, they technically fruitioned but none the less they never capitalized to begin with.

Blizzard / Activision Entertainment is a terrible company filled with sellouts and copout story board directors (If anyone has been to Blizzcon you know what Im talking about with their SIt N talks with the public, as they take their lowbie story writers for WoW and let them burn at the stake in front of the public in humiliation) They dont care about Lore, they dont care about gameplay they dont care about balance, they just want you to spend money.

The problem with the concept of a 40K MMORPG is that you would have to eliminate most of the existing factions as a viable player character.

Orks, not really feasible as a player character in a 40K MMORPG style game (an action game, sure). Tyranids, nope, Necrons, not a chance, Dark Eldar, sorry but no. Daemons, nope. And the really big surprise? Space Marines. Their organization structure doesn't really lends itself to lone warriors roaming the galaxy, at least in a MMORPG style game (sure, mighty heroes may go out on a personal quest now and then, but your standard rank and file don't). Same goes for Imperial Guard/Astra Militarum.

So that leaves us with Inquisition and maybe Sisters for IoM, Chaos Marines/Cultists, Craftword Eldar, and maybe Tau. Beyond Chaos, these are the factions that typically don't immediately shoot each other on sight, have potential for the lone warrior status, and can thus have some communal locations which are vital for an MMORPG style game.

What could be interesting is a Chaos/Inquisition focused game, where you have players explore the galaxy as either an undercover agent of Chaos seeking to undermine the Imperium or an undercover Inquisition seeking to stop the forces of Chaos. Both could interact with each other, and never know what faction the other players belong too initially (which would be an really cool dynamic)

WoW always catered to casuals. Always. People looked at games like EQ, UO, DAoC and the other "first gen" (not really, but that is what they were called) MMOs of the era and said "You know, this is fun, but I hate camping for 18 hours waiting for this one rare mob to spawn so I can get that Phat Lewt".

Thus, WoW did away with Camping, and true XP Grinding, and a lot of the stuff that made those first-gen MMOs such time-sinks. They also were fortunate to have built-in brand awareness, and went on to create one of the most-popular MMOs ever. Of course, that actually had seriously detrimental effects on the MMO industry as a whole, because investors and studios have not yet realized that no one will ever create another WoW, not even Blizzard.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 curran12 wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Eternal Crusade has made me awfully salty.

As for GW vs Blizzard, Blizzard wins in terms of writing. GW has some cool trump cards like Space Marines but most of BL is rather mediocre. WoW has lots of mediocre stuff as well, but there's also golden writing like the Arakkoa civil strife, the Mogu with their Thunder King etc.

This confuses me. "GW is bad writing except for a few trump cards. But Blizzard has medicore writing but has good parts!" What exactly is the difference, here?

...Because mediocre means medium whereas bad means... bad?

As for what I actually wrote, both are mostly mediocre, but I think Blizzard has more good stuff than GW.

Are you joking? Seriously what does Blizzard actually WRITE? A few lines of dialog for quests in an MMO?

Games Workshop produces easily thousands pages of published fiction every YEAR between codexes, Black Library, Rule Books, Campaign Books, White Dwarf, you name it. They're not even in the same LEAGUE... and you think BLIZZARD is better at it? You are obviously not reading enough, and need to spend less time playing video games. Don't even read some Games Workshop stuff... just go read a book. Recently I've been reading some of the new Witcher novels that have been recently translated, and they're fantastic. I just finished the latest Clive Barker novel, and I'm getting ready to start on Ready Player One, which I've heard is great.

I'm not saying that everything Games Workshop puts to paper is Oscar Wilde, but all you have to do is leaf through the Setting section of the primary rulebook, and you get lots and lots of fantastic writing. I didn't even mention the ForgeWorld Imperial Armour books, which personally I have almost as much fun reading as full blown novels.

I wish I was a multi billionaire who can just buy off GW and close them down so no more warhammer for anyone.

 Filch wrote:
I wish I was a multi billionaire who can just buy off GW and close them down so no more warhammer for anyone.

So, because you don't like it, you have to destroy what everyone else loves?

Gee, that totally doesn't sound like anyone *cough*Hitler*cough*

If you think buying GW would be the end of 40k, you must be a fool.

Murrdox wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:

 curran12 wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Eternal Crusade has made me awfully salty.

As for GW vs Blizzard, Blizzard wins in terms of writing. GW has some cool trump cards like Space Marines but most of BL is rather mediocre. WoW has lots of mediocre stuff as well, but there's also golden writing like the Arakkoa civil strife, the Mogu with their Thunder King etc.

This confuses me. "GW is bad writing except for a few trump cards. But Blizzard has medicore writing but has good parts!" What exactly is the difference, here?

...Because mediocre means medium whereas bad means... bad?

As for what I actually wrote, both are mostly mediocre, but I think Blizzard has more good stuff than GW.

Are you joking? Seriously what does Blizzard actually WRITE? A few lines of dialog for quests in an MMO?

Games Workshop produces easily thousands pages of published fiction every YEAR between codexes, Black Library, Rule Books, Campaign Books, White Dwarf, you name it. They're not even in the same LEAGUE... and you think BLIZZARD is better at it? You are obviously not reading enough, and need to spend less time playing video games. Don't even read some Games Workshop stuff... just go read a book. Recently I've been reading some of the new Witcher novels that have been recently translated, and they're fantastic. I just finished the latest Clive Barker novel, and I'm getting ready to start on Ready Player One, which I've heard is great.

I'm not saying that everything Games Workshop puts to paper is Oscar Wilde, but all you have to do is leaf through the Setting section of the primary rulebook, and you get lots and lots of fantastic writing. I didn't even mention the ForgeWorld Imperial Armour books, which personally I have almost as much fun reading as full blown novels.

But that fiction is all garbage, makes no sense, and is not internally consistent.

 MadMaverick76 wrote:
I must agree that GW is giving out the 40k license a little too much. Regicide, Kill Team, Space Hulk, Carnage, Some Tower defense game?, Martyr, Armageddon....and the list is growing. While some of these games have ended up being decent little "apps" the line lacks the substance of the DoW franchise, or the old Epic games, or even Chaos Gate.

I have seen the recent Eternal Crusade videos and summaries, and I am not impressed. It looks just like Space Marine multiplayer, nothing else other than the addition of some vehicles, which were purposed prior to the closure of THQ. I think that was a major nail in the coffin for 40k games. Also the fact that Eternal Crusade has been in long development as an MMO, and then with the changing in developers basically started the game over from scratch.

Do any of you remember the gameshots with the Black Templar Standing in front of a titan? That got me amped, but recent Alpha footage looks more like Space Marine, and less like an rpg/mmo we all deserve in the 40k universe. I will give the game a shot when it comes out, but recent GW additions have proven they are whoring out the label to make as much $$$ as they can (which a business should do, hopefully not at the cost of consumers).

Eternal Crusade has absolutely nothing in common with Dark Millennium.