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2016/02/05 23:16:51
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
Vector Trackers isnt a selective Skyfire, its all or nothing. Skyfire is normally a stock rule that makes you fire snaps at non-fliers/skimmers/FMCs in exchange for firing normally against the same unit types. Vector Trackers lets us squeak by the rules and lets us turn it off, which normally isnt allowed.
If you "turn it on" then all of the Stormsurge weapons have skyfire, including his 72" S10 Ap2 Ord Large Blast gun. Now, unless theres a Skimmer somewhere, he cant use that gun (or the Pulse Blast Cannon outside 10", which is also blasts) that turn. That hurts. The 4D6 +4 S5 shots can cause some hurt to a lot of fliers but its primarily glancing to death, and still cant hurt Av12. Personally i'd rather not fire a D missile at a flier, if theres no other targets then i'll just risk it but ive yet to never have a ground-target i want to shoot a D missile at.
The main fliers youre going to have to deal with are AV12. Even outside the OSC, a Ghostkeel or two with VT will kill any flier faster than the Stormsurge can (since you still need markerlights to fire the D missile, even if you have Skyfire, meaning you could still get unlucky and never land a single mark on the flier)
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2016/02/05 23:52:29
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
Fun thing I learned about the ITC today, if you're a main detachment is a Dawnblade, your CAD can have Crisis Suit troops. Here's the list I'm watching in the LVO now:
Spoiler:
Israel Sanchez’s List
Tau Formation-Based Detachment (Farsight Enclaves)
had a moment of "wait...i feel like i forgot something big" about VT.
in 6th, if you had Interceptor you ignored the firing snapshots at ground units. I just checked the 7th brb to see if thats still there. Damn, it isnt, they took that bit out.
That would have completely torn my previous post to shreds, since a Stormsurge without EWO is sorta unheard of.
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2016/02/06 01:55:07
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
Vineheart01 wrote: The amount of markerlights is the ever going decision. It heavily depends on WHAT markerlights you bring and how badly the rest of your army needs it.
The Mark'O strat is pretty much guaranteed marks, but only against one unit and its coming from one unit so it can be focus fired down. Dont solely depend on a Mark'O, you want either some tetras, pathfinders, or a backup drone squad to swap to when the current one takes damage. You pretty much have to playtest yourself to feel how many you need. Believe me, it hurts just as much having too many markerlights as it does having too little.
The main problem with the Mark'O is its a commander thats basically doing nothing. You can still give him Missile Pods and a Targetlock so he can at least fire at something, but thats a pretty lousy setup for such an expensive/high statline model. No signature systems, no BS5 fusions, etc etc. Well he can take signature systems but none of them really do anything if hes attached to marker drones.
Not sure but what a Mark'O can make decent use of a Puretide chip. Having Tank Hunter or Monster Hunter could help his missiles at least kill something decent. 25 points is a lot to only benefit a single model, but if you have a Crisis unit or something for him to join when the drones get boned (which they inevitably will), I would think it could make a difference. Also, the Iridium Suit upgrade could make him able to tank hits with his 2+ save, and if he were near death those drones could dive in front of the bullets on a 2+.
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2016/02/06 03:41:15
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: That LVO game was torture to watch. :-p Both players played very slowly, dice were rolling poorly for the both of them.... man...
It was not a very exciting showing for either list, and that salty ending... woof.
Yea, that game was kind of whatever, it was more that I was shocked that it was possible to do that, since that opens up a lot of options for taking allied Cads, since you can just throw in a couple extra solo suits, and gain access to a huge amount of utility, while still gaining all the benefits of the formation.
CKO wrote: Veloticty tracker gives you the option to fire as if you have sky fire. Basically you don't have to worry about that ruling vineheart01.
Read my post at the top of the page. Thats the problem with it on Stormy.
Supers are not given special permission. You declare you are using Skyfire at the start of the shooting phase.
If the old Interceptor + Skyfire was still a thing, then my point would be invalid. Its not that he cant use it, its that his primary gun majority of the time wont get used.
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2016/02/06 04:47:59
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: That LVO game was torture to watch. :-p Both players played very slowly, dice were rolling poorly for the both of them.... man...
It was not a very exciting showing for either list, and that salty ending... woof.
Yea, that game was kind of whatever, it was more that I was shocked that it was possible to do that, since that opens up a lot of options for taking allied Cads, since you can just throw in a couple extra solo suits, and gain access to a huge amount of utility, while still gaining all the benefits of the formation.
I do not get it. Care to elaborate? You mean the allied CAD gaining formation benefits?
2016/02/06 05:20:02
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: That LVO game was torture to watch. :-p Both players played very slowly, dice were rolling poorly for the both of them.... man...
It was not a very exciting showing for either list, and that salty ending... woof.
Yea, that game was kind of whatever, it was more that I was shocked that it was possible to do that, since that opens up a lot of options for taking allied Cads, since you can just throw in a couple extra solo suits, and gain access to a huge amount of utility, while still gaining all the benefits of the formation.
I do not get it. Care to elaborate? You mean the allied CAD gaining formation benefits?
Well the Dawnblade "mark" thing is worded such that it benefits all units in the army, not just ones from that detachment. More so, all of a sudden your CAD can use Crisis Suits as troops, I didn't really consider it as something you could do, but now all of a sudden a CAD becomes a lot better for a mech army, since you don't really need anything to take one of those, you can just run more specialty suits and a Mark'O in it, then take whatever else you could desire.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: That LVO game was torture to watch. :-p Both players played very slowly, dice were rolling poorly for the both of them.... man...
It was not a very exciting showing for either list, and that salty ending... woof.
Yea, that game was kind of whatever, it was more that I was shocked that it was possible to do that, since that opens up a lot of options for taking allied Cads, since you can just throw in a couple extra solo suits, and gain access to a huge amount of utility, while still gaining all the benefits of the formation.
I do not get it. Care to elaborate? You mean the allied CAD gaining formation benefits?
Well the Dawnblade "mark" thing is worded such that it benefits all units in the army, not just ones from that detachment. More so, all of a sudden your CAD can use Crisis Suits as troops, I didn't really consider it as something you could do, but now all of a sudden a CAD becomes a lot better for a mech army, since you don't really need anything to take one of those, you can just run more specialty suits and a Mark'O in it, then take whatever else you could desire.
So you are saying that the killing blow special rule can also be used by units other than the ones in a Dawn Blade? I started a YMDC thread regarding that rule and it seems like it is only the detachment that gets the special rule.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/674764.page#8346960
2016/02/06 05:45:25
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: That LVO game was torture to watch. :-p Both players played very slowly, dice were rolling poorly for the both of them.... man...
It was not a very exciting showing for either list, and that salty ending... woof.
Yea, that game was kind of whatever, it was more that I was shocked that it was possible to do that, since that opens up a lot of options for taking allied Cads, since you can just throw in a couple extra solo suits, and gain access to a huge amount of utility, while still gaining all the benefits of the formation.
I do not get it. Care to elaborate? You mean the allied CAD gaining formation benefits?
Well the Dawnblade "mark" thing is worded such that it benefits all units in the army, not just ones from that detachment. More so, all of a sudden your CAD can use Crisis Suits as troops, I didn't really consider it as something you could do, but now all of a sudden a CAD becomes a lot better for a mech army, since you don't really need anything to take one of those, you can just run more specialty suits and a Mark'O in it, then take whatever else you could desire.
So you are saying that the killing blow special rule can also be used by units other than the ones in a Dawn Blade? I started a YMDC thread regarding that rule and it seems like it is only the detachment that gets the special rule.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/674764.page#8346960
Honestly, I'm not sure, the wording is super murky on that, even though the actually thing makes it sound like it's just a general de-buff. Furthermore, this is a problem with not having a more defined rule set, since some people can argue under one rule set, while others will argue under another rule set in YMDC, which leads to both being right and wrong, based on which you are referring to.
What's more strange is the wording of the Crisis Suit Troops, which states "In a Farsight Enclaves Detachment or Formation, XV8 Crisis Battlsuits are Troops choices instead of Elites choices." Which makes it sound like an allied CAD would not benefit from this, but that list is clearly legal in the LVO, meaning that they do. So does this translate to the other rules as a whole, or only in some cases? I'd say this would be a good FAQ question for the ITC.
That's not unreasonable, but why does the CAD gain the Crisis Suit Troops special rule? I guess there's a difference between detachment and army, so depending where the rules are listed in the supplement, is how vastly they apply.
X078 wrote: Any Tau CAD can be declared as Farsight thus gaining crisis as troops and farsight wargear etc.
True but its more expansive than that.
Specifically, any Detachment or Formation can be said to be a Farsight Enclave Detachment or Formation. So not just CAD's. However if they do, it does mean they also have to use the Warlord Traits and Tactical Objectives from Mont'Ka. They also HAVE to purchase Bonding Knives.
And of course making Crisis Suits Troops doesnt necessarily make them Objective Secured. That still is a Command Benefit you have to get from the Detachment. So its useful in certain Detachments like a Combined Arms Detachment (CAD).
If you don't mind all that then go for it. Lots of benefit.
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arthorn wrote: Why doesn't it make them obsec? Cad means obsec no?
Crisis being Troops is meaningless to the Crisis suits in a Ret Cadre, because a Ret Cadre does not have Troop slots.
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2016/02/06 15:39:58
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
Thanks for the VT thoughts. I've been worried about being too light anti-air, but realize my 2-3 Ghost Keels in a OSC with VT will probably be plenty all on their own.
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2016/02/06 17:40:44
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
arthorn wrote: Why doesn't it make them obsec? Cad means obsec no?
Crisis being Troops is meaningless to the Crisis suits in a Ret Cadre, because a Ret Cadre does not have Troop slots.
SJ
To clarify he's not referring to the Ret Cad, he's talking about the allied basic CAD that uses Crisis Suits as troops.
No, to be fair, he's questioning the concept of Troops and ObSec.
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2016/02/06 18:50:15
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
Thanks jancoran, that was what I wanted to confirm. Just prefer full suit tau. Too bad fse had gakky sig systems:( still suits list prevail to me Sig systems for me
2016/02/07 06:05:37
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
No Tau in the top 8 of the LVO, there were two players competing for top 8 the last round, one running a CAD with double Stormsurge and one running FSE with Ghostkeels and some Eldar allies. The FSE list was Table 3 and lost to PJPants (person predicted to win the ITC this year) who is running demons, while the Stormsurge player lost to Necrons on Table 4.
I'm sad to see no Tau making top 8, but they were very close, they just fell slightly short to some very strong players. The amazing thing is that there are multiple Necron players in the Top 8, with very different lists, despite Necrons not doing much of note otherwise.
Lots of surprise.
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Tinkrr wrote: No Tau in the top 8 of the LVO, there were two players competing for top 8 the last round, one running a CAD with double Stormsurge and one running FSE with Ghostkeels and some Eldar allies. The FSE list was Table 3 and lost to PJPants (person predicted to win the ITC this year) who is running demons, while the Stormsurge player lost to Necrons on Table 4.
I'm sad to see no Tau making top 8, but they were very close, they just fell slightly short to some very strong players. The amazing thing is that there are multiple Necron players in the Top 8, with very different lists, despite Necrons not doing much of note otherwise.
Lots of surprise.
Necrons are good. It's no surprise they do well in capable hands. then again, that's pretty much true of most armies.
The Codex, as I've mentioned many a times, wins no games. You do.
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Tinkrr wrote: No Tau in the top 8 of the LVO, there were two players competing for top 8 the last round, one running a CAD with double Stormsurge and one running FSE with Ghostkeels and some Eldar allies. The FSE list was Table 3 and lost to PJPants (person predicted to win the ITC this year) who is running demons, while the Stormsurge player lost to Necrons on Table 4.
I'm sad to see no Tau making top 8, but they were very close, they just fell slightly short to some very strong players. The amazing thing is that there are multiple Necron players in the Top 8, with very different lists, despite Necrons not doing much of note otherwise.
Lots of surprise.
Necrons are good. It's no surprise they do well in capable hands. then again, that's pretty much true of most armies.
The Codex, as I've mentioned many a times, wins no games. You do.
Well sure, but there were plenty of hands using them before, it's just they weren't placing, but now all of a sudden they did very well. One list ran a bunch of odd ball stuff like an Obelisk and Monolith.
Tinkrr wrote: No Tau in the top 8 of the LVO, there were two players competing for top 8 the last round, one running a CAD with double Stormsurge and one running FSE with Ghostkeels and some Eldar allies. The FSE list was Table 3 and lost to PJPants (person predicted to win the ITC this year) who is running demons, while the Stormsurge player lost to Necrons on Table 4.
I'm sad to see no Tau making top 8, but they were very close, they just fell slightly short to some very strong players. The amazing thing is that there are multiple Necron players in the Top 8, with very different lists, despite Necrons not doing much of note otherwise.
Lots of surprise.
Necrons are good. It's no surprise they do well in capable hands. then again, that's pretty much true of most armies.
The Codex, as I've mentioned many a times, wins no games. You do.
Well sure, but there were plenty of hands using them before, it's just they weren't placing, but now all of a sudden they did very well. One list ran a bunch of odd ball stuff like an Obelisk and Monolith.
Tinkrr wrote: No Tau in the top 8 of the LVO, there were two players competing for top 8 the last round, one running a CAD with double Stormsurge and one running FSE with Ghostkeels and some Eldar allies. The FSE list was Table 3 and lost to PJPants (person predicted to win the ITC this year) who is running demons, while the Stormsurge player lost to Necrons on Table 4.
I'm sad to see no Tau making top 8, but they were very close, they just fell slightly short to some very strong players. The amazing thing is that there are multiple Necron players in the Top 8, with very different lists, despite Necrons not doing much of note otherwise.
Lots of surprise.
Necrons are good. It's no surprise they do well in capable hands. then again, that's pretty much true of most armies.
The Codex, as I've mentioned many a times, wins no games. You do.
Well sure, but there were plenty of hands using them before, it's just they weren't placing, but now all of a sudden they did very well. One list ran a bunch of odd ball stuff like an Obelisk and Monolith.
Though the player was running a Decurion with an Obelisk, and Monolith, so it's quite different from your list, and they did place in the top 8 of the LVO with an army that's strong but hasn't been putting up results in recent history. The other player was running "The Pink Decurion, Destroyer Cult, Royal Court, C. Harvest" so you know still vastly different.
Tinkrr wrote: No Tau in the top 8 of the LVO, there were two players competing for top 8 the last round, one running a CAD with double Stormsurge and one running FSE with Ghostkeels and some Eldar allies. The FSE list was Table 3 and lost to PJPants (person predicted to win the ITC this year) who is running demons, while the Stormsurge player lost to Necrons on Table 4.
I'm sad to see no Tau making top 8, but they were very close, they just fell slightly short to some very strong players. The amazing thing is that there are multiple Necron players in the Top 8, with very different lists, despite Necrons not doing much of note otherwise.
Lots of surprise.
Necrons are good. It's no surprise they do well in capable hands. then again, that's pretty much true of most armies.
The Codex, as I've mentioned many a times, wins no games. You do.
Well sure, but there were plenty of hands using them before, it's just they weren't placing, but now all of a sudden they did very well. One list ran a bunch of odd ball stuff like an Obelisk and Monolith.
Though the player was running a Decurion with an Obelisk, and Monolith, so it's quite different from your list, and they did place in the top 8 of the LVO with an army that's strong but hasn't been putting up results in recent history. The other player was running "The Pink Decurion, Destroyer Cult, Royal Court, C. Harvest" so you know still vastly different.
I like the variety I'm hearing. It gratifies me greatly to know that good Generalship is having its usual effect. One hopes more armies like these do well.
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