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 CKO wrote:
 Grizzyzz wrote:
I am just excited to run a t5 fusionblade commander around the table ignorant of everything but S10 and D weapons =D


When did this happen? Where can I find the rules that allow me to do this?


I believe this relic change is coming out in the new Farsight supplement book.

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Grizzyzz you are back! but yes it's in the new supplement and it is alright released if you had the previous you can get an update for free

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arthorn wrote:
Grizzyzz you are back! but yes it's in the new supplement and it is alright released if you had the previous you can get an update for free


Ha yea.. switched jobs and then went on vacation so have not been involved in anything warhammer in over a month... *withdrawal*


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So a while ago there was chit chat of a new Imperial Armor book for Tau coming along. Is this still hearsay or is there more details on this release?

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Good to have you back
Well nothing new just collection of montka in a book and allowing us to use Sig systems of te. So t-5 fusion with a buffvre (1400 red cadre)


Oh nvm you mean fw book?!

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They stilted that Ghostkeel question so badly that any response they get on that will be suspect at best. Good lord. Its the worst and most unfairly asked question they have ever used. Expect to be robbed unless a lot of people really read the rule, ignore the way they put the question (AND the answer is stilted too!) and vote understanding what it really is. But I think a lot of people will just hit the link and run through the questions real fast.

we'll see. But I'm not holding my breathe on that one. Luckily we can ignore the ITC rulings we don't like if the TO is willing so I'll just have to bring my persuasive A game if the ITC gets its way.

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 Jancoran wrote:
They stilted that Ghostkeel question so badly that any response they get on that will be suspect at best. Good lord. Its the worst and most unfairly asked question they have ever used. Expect to be robbed unless a lot of people really read the rule, ignore the way they put the question (AND the answer is stilted too!) and vote understanding what it really is. But I think a lot of people will just hit the link and run through the questions real fast.

we'll see. But I'm not holding my breathe on that one. Luckily we can ignore the ITC rulings we don't like if the TO is willing so I'll just have to bring my persuasive A game if the ITC gets its way.


Exactly. ITC votes are complete BS on simply how the question is written. They basically wrote the ghost keel vote as "It is ambiguous, do you want to nerf Tau or not?" which is just simply not true.

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They did THREE things. First they assumed it was ambiguouis in their question when the reality is that the question is whether it is in the first place. Second thing they did was not make clear to people that this is an effect on the enemy unit, not actually the ghostkeels and finally they wrote the answers in a way that makes it sound bad they they "get" to do it three times" instead of just asking of the voter wants to allow the Ghostkeel to function as RAW, or being clear in saying that the SECOND and THIRD ghostkeel would actually be STRIPPED of their wargear!

I dunno man. Its worse than the detachment question they asked a long time ago where they basically forced people to vote one way because the alternative vote didn't make sense.

Vote and nuke this stupid ruling. If we cant stop them from rolling out this kind of question we can vote and show our displeasure in the way that matters.

Ranting on this forum about it gets me nowhere. Voting might.

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 Jancoran wrote:
They did THREE things. First they assumed it was ambiguouis in their question when the reality is that the question is whether it is in the first place. Second thing they did was not make clear to people that this is an effect on the enemy unit, not actually the ghostkeels and finally they wrote the answers in a way that makes it sound bad they they "get" to do it three times" instead of just asking of the voter wants to allow the Ghostkeel to function as RAW, or being clear in saying that the SECOND and THIRD ghostkeel would actually be STRIPPED of their wargear!

I dunno man. Its worse than the detachment question they asked a long time ago where they basically forced people to vote one way because the alternative vote didn't make sense.

Vote and nuke this stupid ruling. If we cant stop them from rolling out this kind of question we can vote and show our displeasure in the way that matters.

Ranting on this forum about it gets me nowhere. Voting might.


I agree but unfortunately as so many have stated in another thread, they don't even care what the rule is or isn't they simply vote to nerf because they don't like the army or they don't like people who play that army. =(


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notredameguy10 wrote:
 Jancoran wrote:
They stilted that Ghostkeel question so badly that any response they get on that will be suspect at best. Good lord. Its the worst and most unfairly asked question they have ever used. Expect to be robbed unless a lot of people really read the rule, ignore the way they put the question (AND the answer is stilted too!) and vote understanding what it really is. But I think a lot of people will just hit the link and run through the questions real fast.

we'll see. But I'm not holding my breathe on that one. Luckily we can ignore the ITC rulings we don't like if the TO is willing so I'll just have to bring my persuasive A game if the ITC gets its way.


Exactly. ITC votes are complete BS on simply how the question is written. They basically wrote the ghost keel vote as "It is ambiguous, do you want to nerf Tau or not?" which is just simply not true.


You do realize what the definition of ambiguity is, right? Just because you read it one way does not mean that the rest of the world does. And if there are other people in the world who read it differently than you do, that is what ambiguity is.

As the proud owner of 6 ghostkeels, yeah I definitely hope that the vote doesn't turn into a knee jerk "nerf tau". Especially because I agree that it reads to me that the effect works once per model. But again, that doesn't mean that everyone else agrees.

They made the question a fair one - which way does it work? You guys are mad because they didn't present it as "this is the rule, do you want to play it this way or not?" But that is bias in the opposite direction and if they really believed that, it wouldn't be up for a vote.
   
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 luke1705 wrote:
notredameguy10 wrote:
 Jancoran wrote:
They stilted that Ghostkeel question so badly that any response they get on that will be suspect at best. Good lord. Its the worst and most unfairly asked question they have ever used. Expect to be robbed unless a lot of people really read the rule, ignore the way they put the question (AND the answer is stilted too!) and vote understanding what it really is. But I think a lot of people will just hit the link and run through the questions real fast.

we'll see. But I'm not holding my breathe on that one. Luckily we can ignore the ITC rulings we don't like if the TO is willing so I'll just have to bring my persuasive A game if the ITC gets its way.


Exactly. ITC votes are complete BS on simply how the question is written. They basically wrote the ghost keel vote as "It is ambiguous, do you want to nerf Tau or not?" which is just simply not true.


You do realize what the definition of ambiguity is, right? Just because you read it one way does not mean that the rest of the world does. And if there are other people in the world who read it differently than you do, that is what ambiguity is.

As the proud owner of 6 ghostkeels, yeah I definitely hope that the vote doesn't turn into a knee jerk "nerf tau". Especially because I agree that it reads to me that the effect works once per model. But again, that doesn't mean that everyone else agrees.

They made the question a fair one - which way does it work? You guys are mad because they didn't present it as "this is the rule, do you want to play it this way or not?" But that is bias in the opposite direction and if they really believed that, it wouldn't be up for a vote.


You have to understand 90% of the people voting do not play Tau and a large portion probably have never seen the actual quoted rule before. They take this poll and on that question all they see is "nerf tau or Do not nerf Tau"

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EMAIL THEM OR ASK QUESTIONS ON THAT THING I POSTED EARLIER!

I put it in all caps because I want to play tau but this tau hate is unreal and I rather not play an army that receives unfair nerfs.

I am sorry guys its been fun but in the words of Lebron James, "Im taking my talents to Necrons".

That sucks so bad because I love the models and the fluff but I have to play another army because the competitive scene is dominated by ITC rulings.

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notredameguy10 wrote:
Spoiler:
 luke1705 wrote:
notredameguy10 wrote:
 Jancoran wrote:
They stilted that Ghostkeel question so badly that any response they get on that will be suspect at best. Good lord. Its the worst and most unfairly asked question they have ever used. Expect to be robbed unless a lot of people really read the rule, ignore the way they put the question (AND the answer is stilted too!) and vote understanding what it really is. But I think a lot of people will just hit the link and run through the questions real fast.

we'll see. But I'm not holding my breathe on that one. Luckily we can ignore the ITC rulings we don't like if the TO is willing so I'll just have to bring my persuasive A game if the ITC gets its way.


Exactly. ITC votes are complete BS on simply how the question is written. They basically wrote the ghost keel vote as "It is ambiguous, do you want to nerf Tau or not?" which is just simply not true.


You do realize what the definition of ambiguity is, right? Just because you read it one way does not mean that the rest of the world does. And if there are other people in the world who read it differently than you do, that is what ambiguity is.

As the proud owner of 6 ghostkeels, yeah I definitely hope that the vote doesn't turn into a knee jerk "nerf tau". Especially because I agree that it reads to me that the effect works once per model. But again, that doesn't mean that everyone else agrees.

They made the question a fair one - which way does it work? You guys are mad because they didn't present it as "this is the rule, do you want to play it this way or not?" But that is bias in the opposite direction and if they really believed that, it wouldn't be up for a vote.




You have to understand 90% of the people voting do not play Tau and a large portion probably have never seen the actual quoted rule before. They take this poll and on that question all they see is "nerf tau or Do not nerf Tau"


You have to understand that your pessimistic view of the world does not mean that everyone in the world is like that. In 5 seconds, I googled "ghost keel rules' and found:

http://rathstarramblings.blogspot.com/2015/10/xv95-ghostkeel-battlesuit-rules-first.html

Where the holophoton countermeasures rule is laid out. Should it have been in the poll in the first place? Sure. But did they list out the rules for each and every one of the contentious questions? No. This was clearly a time consideration, as reading and attempting to interpret murky rules would have taken significantly longer to complete the poll.

Anyone who wants to be honest about trying to figure out how the rule works can do so for free and with literally next to no effort. Some people do in fact do that. And not everyone votes with an agenda in mind. Even before I owned a single Eldar model (and with no plans to do so) I voted to give them all of the scatter lasers because that is what the rules said they were entitled to.


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 CKO wrote:
EMAIL THEM OR ASK QUESTIONS ON THAT THING I POSTED EARLIER!

I put it in all caps because I want to play tau but this tau hate is unreal and I rather not play an army that receives unfair nerfs.

I am sorry guys its been fun but in the words of Lebron James, "Im taking my talents to Necrons".

That sucks so bad because I love the models and the fluff but I have to play another army because the competitive scene is dominated by ITC rulings.


CKO, look man if you want to go play Necrons because you think they give you the best chance to win, go for it (although that is not supported by ITC results - Tau on average did better than the Necrons at the highest level, even with the nerfs).

But if you actually enjoy playing Tau, just do it. The ITC rulings literally don't change a single thing about how you do business on the daily. Even if your gaming club uses all of them religiously, you can still field an awesome army, and Tau have a number of builds with a ton of great formations. Play them how you want to, and if you learn how to use your army well, you will be just fine. Will you win every game against a top tier tournament list? No. But will you be at an inherent disadvantage? Also no. Tau can hang just fine with the big boys (assuming you don't run into a hard counter list). Your only real limitation is how good of a general you are.

If you take a look at the top tournament rankings, there is one commonality - the players. If all of the best players decided to play a specific army, we would see Tyranids dominate the top tables. Not because they are such a great army, but because the players are just that good. (See Sean Nayden in like 3 GTs for proof) And it's not like they're freaking Michael Jordan and you can't do it - they're just practiced, don't make mistakes and play the numbers game well. They also have good lists that have good synergy but the point is that you could be any one of them with whatever army you want as long as you work for it. And if you're not willing to put in the work, it doesn't matter what army you play - the results will be the same. That is to say, less than your hopes.

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 luke1705 wrote:
notredameguy10 wrote:
Spoiler:
 luke1705 wrote:
notredameguy10 wrote:
 Jancoran wrote:
They stilted that Ghostkeel question so badly that any response they get on that will be suspect at best. Good lord. Its the worst and most unfairly asked question they have ever used. Expect to be robbed unless a lot of people really read the rule, ignore the way they put the question (AND the answer is stilted too!) and vote understanding what it really is. But I think a lot of people will just hit the link and run through the questions real fast.

we'll see. But I'm not holding my breathe on that one. Luckily we can ignore the ITC rulings we don't like if the TO is willing so I'll just have to bring my persuasive A game if the ITC gets its way.


Exactly. ITC votes are complete BS on simply how the question is written. They basically wrote the ghost keel vote as "It is ambiguous, do you want to nerf Tau or not?" which is just simply not true.


You do realize what the definition of ambiguity is, right? Just because you read it one way does not mean that the rest of the world does. And if there are other people in the world who read it differently than you do, that is what ambiguity is.

As the proud owner of 6 ghostkeels, yeah I definitely hope that the vote doesn't turn into a knee jerk "nerf tau". Especially because I agree that it reads to me that the effect works once per model. But again, that doesn't mean that everyone else agrees.

They made the question a fair one - which way does it work? You guys are mad because they didn't present it as "this is the rule, do you want to play it this way or not?" But that is bias in the opposite direction and if they really believed that, it wouldn't be up for a vote.




You have to understand 90% of the people voting do not play Tau and a large portion probably have never seen the actual quoted rule before. They take this poll and on that question all they see is "nerf tau or Do not nerf Tau"


You have to understand that your pessimistic view of the world does not mean that everyone in the world is like that. In 5 seconds, I googled "ghost keel rules' and found:

http://rathstarramblings.blogspot.com/2015/10/xv95-ghostkeel-battlesuit-rules-first.html

Where the holophoton countermeasures rule is laid out. Should it have been in the poll in the first place? Sure. But did they list out the rules for each and every one of the contentious questions? No. This was clearly a time consideration, as reading and attempting to interpret murky rules would have taken significantly longer to complete the poll.

Anyone who wants to be honest about trying to figure out how the rule works can do so for free and with literally next to no effort. Some people do in fact do that. And not everyone votes with an agenda in mind. Even before I owned a single Eldar model (and with no plans to do so) I voted to give them all of the scatter lasers because that is what the rules said they were entitled to.



And I think you have a naive view. Tau is played by about 8% of the game. That leaves 92% of players who do not play. Assuming maybe 75% of Tau players vote for the buff, you cannot possible tell me that less than 6% of players will vote selfishly/because they hate Tau. A minority army like Tau have no chance at all in polls.

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notredameguy10 wrote:


And I think you have a naive view. Tau is played by about 8% of the game. That leaves 92% of players who do not play. Assuming maybe 75% of Tau players vote for the buff, you cannot possible tell me that less than 6% of players will vote selfishly/because they hate Tau. A minority army like Tau have no chance at all in polls.


That presumes that the rest of the population is at a 50/50 split, which I do not believe to be the case. People who vote in the ITC poll have a vested interest in the tournament circuit (how active they are varies) but chances of them having seen the Tau Ghostkeel release (which came with free rules published by GW online btw) or having played against or seen a battle report with a Ghostkeel are actually rather high. So they should know at least how people tend to play it, or how the rule is stated. I believe that is true for the vast majority of the players who voted. And truth be told, I know that there was a battle report of a Tau guy who played it conservatively on a FLG stream once, but I've never seen anyone play it as once per unit except for that. Have you?

Furthermore, many people have more than one army. So although not everyone plays Tau at any one event, they have been a popular army for some time. So I would bet that a lot closer to 20 percent of the player base does or has at some point played Tau (speculative of course but the point is it's definitely higher than their showing at any one event)

Point being, I think the standard is that it's played as once per Ghostkeel. If that's the case, people should tend to vote for that interpretation (especially since that does seem to be supported by RAW by my reading of the rule). So could the vote be swayed by dishonest people who vote in self-interest? It definitely could be and TBH I'm a little nervous about that (6 Ghostkeels remember). But I think that overall what I believe to be the correct interpretation will win out. We'll see what happens in less than 48 hours.

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 luke1705 wrote:


You do realize what the definition of ambiguity is, right? .


Not only do I know what the word ambiguity is, i also know what the word context is. Ironically, "confusion" over the rule only exists outside of context here.



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I vote in the ITC, and I have no vested interest beyond supporting RAW in the tournament seen.

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notredameguy10 wrote:


And I think you have a naive view. Tau is played by about 8% of the game. That leaves 92% of players who do not play. Assuming maybe 75% of Tau players vote for the buff, you cannot possible tell me that less than 6% of players will vote selfishly/because they hate Tau. A minority army like Tau have no chance at all in polls.


Indeed. And with the way they worded it? Lol. It's hilarious. i am PRAYING that enough threads out there made people curious as to the ACTUAL wording of the rule.

If enough non-Tau players read the rule and don't want their own army nerf'd for similarly spurious reasons, they will think twice about it.

GW, deliver us from the hands of our enemies. But while we wait for that deliverance, we must get people to read this rule so they understand what they are even voting on. The power level of this gear isn't the issue sicne powers ten times this are allowed to run rampant. The issue is the fairness here: completely lacking.

people want the Tau to be doormats. Like they were forever before. Sad.

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 Jancoran wrote:
 luke1705 wrote:


You do realize what the definition of ambiguity is, right? .


Not only do I know what the word ambiguity is, i also know what the word context is. Ironically, "confusion" over the rule only exists outside of context here.




Clearly, though, websters needs to change the definition of "doormat" to mean "not the very best army"

Humor me though. How would you have preferred that they worded the question (outside of having the actual rule listed, which I think we can all agree would have been helpful)? I'd like to hear an actual quote of "a good way of wording it would be...."
   
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 luke1705 wrote:
 Jancoran wrote:
 luke1705 wrote:


You do realize what the definition of ambiguity is, right? .


Not only do I know what the word ambiguity is, i also know what the word context is. Ironically, "confusion" over the rule only exists outside of context here.




Clearly, though, websters needs to change the definition of "doormat" to mean "not the very best army"

Humor me though. How would you have preferred that they worded the question (outside of having the actual rule listed, which I think we can all agree would have been helpful)? I'd like to hear an actual quote of "a good way of wording it would be...."


Copy and paste the rule.

Than ask do you believe a unit containing multiple models get to use this special rule multiple times?

   
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i'd rather play ITC than RAW if were talking tournament play. It does silence a good chunk of the insane cheese out there, but it doesnt do enough to make me want to do tournaments because the insane cheesy lists still exist and make the game unfun for me. Least in casual games we can have a bit of self-sense of hindrance so we arent a total dick to each other.
cant have a gay old time when someone just gets utterly flattened by turn 3.

And i agree the presentation was whack. Unless you own the codex or play against it a lot you probably dont know the wording of any codex-specific rules outside the most iconic ones (markerlights...?)

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The Question as it should have been:

Each Ghostkeel can fire it's countermeasure once per game. Should a unit with more than one Ghostkel be disallowed from using its second and third Countermeasure?

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All that ITC does is shift the meta, the cheese is still there.

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 jeffersonian000 wrote:
All that ITC does is shift the meta, the cheese is still there.

SJ


they decide though and that is the part that I am trying to get people to acknowledge.

   
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 CKO wrote:
 jeffersonian000 wrote:
All that ITC does is shift the meta, the cheese is still there.

SJ


they decide though and that is the part that I am trying to get people to acknowledge.


Not as such. I dont like what the ITC did here, but stronger TO's can decide to take or leave the parts they disagree with and still be an ITC event. So I guess my big time encouragement to TO's is to do just that. Use the ITC as a baseline, because from that perspective it's not bad. then modify the few things that make no sense, like this silly ghostkeel thing or the Canptek Spydeer rule they rewrote or any other one you find no virtue in.


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I apologize after thinking about it, I will not turn into a necron I am going to play Tau with the ITC hate and I am going to still dominate forget the ITC!

   
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 Jancoran wrote:
The Question as it should have been:

Each Ghostkeel can fire it's countermeasure once per game. Should a unit with more than one Ghostkel be disallowed from using its second and third Countermeasure?



Heavily biased wording there. Having seen the vote and voted for what I think is the obvious interpretation (each model uses seperately), their wording was absolutely fine.
   
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 Jancoran wrote:
The Question as it should have been:

Each Ghostkeel can fire it's countermeasure once per game. Should a unit with more than one Ghostkel be disallowed from using its second and third Countermeasure?

Ahh that is definitely a much more biased question. I mean it is terrible. Its a negative stacked questions - should something be disallowed from doing something, well no, of course not.. etc etc.

Instead the ITC poll question asks a direct neutral question. It provides context. It does indeed make reference to the 10th word and 38th word (of the Holophoton Countermeasures rule), which I feel is the basis for the obvious ambiguity.

TLDR I feel it is a decently written poll. I also feel that, regardless of the content of a poll, players who vote do so to balance the rules. The bleeding heart idea that the other 92% of players who do not play Tau who vote are.. anti-tau or unqualified is silly. I do know how reanimation protocols work and have never owned a necron army/model. Likewise I know how a Ork (oruk?!) tracktor cannon works.. etc.

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Friend of mine just sent me this:

"The Tyranid Codex, where I learned the truth about despair, as will you. There's a reason why this codex is the worst hell on earth... Hope. ."
Too be fair.. it's all worked out quite well!

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 Grizzyzz wrote:

So a while ago there was chit chat of a new Imperial Armor book for Tau coming along. Is this still hearsay or is there more details on this release?

Yes there will be a new FW book coming out sometime this year according to rumor. It will take the Experimental Rules off of both the R'Varna and Y'Vahra Riptide Variants and have the rules for the Supremacy Armor. I also really hope everything in there gets a points reduction, especially in regards to the Hazard Suits and TX-42 Piranhas.

19th Krieg Siege Army 7500pts.
40k/HH Night Lords 5000pts.
Orks Waaaghmacht Spearhead 2500pts.
 
   
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Razerous wrote:

TLDR I feel it is a decently written poll. I also feel that, regardless of the content of a poll, players who vote do so to balance the rules. The bleeding heart idea that the other 92% of players who do not play Tau who vote are.. anti-tau or unqualified is silly. I do know how reanimation protocols work and have never owned a necron army/model. Likewise I know how a Ork (oruk?!) tracktor cannon works.. etc.

The amount of 'feth tau' posts on the other topics kinda says the opposite.

I get that tau gets often played by castling at the gameclub level, but like just like against dwarves in whfb that's no reason to go into a nerdrage.
   
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I chalk it up to immaturity and people throwing a temper tantrum instead of enjoying a challenge or thinking constructively in finding ways to beat it.

I know this is probably been asked farther back in the thread but I don't really have the time to go through every single post but I am having some issue as to how to best construct Stealth Suit Squads. I am planning on only taking two squads so I can run the Optimized Stealth Cadre but I have a few questions about them as I've never run them before:

-How big a squad? I've seen lots of recommendations in regards to this but what do you feel is the best number to run them at and why?

-Equipment on them, also quite varied from what I have seen primarily I'm just wondering if it's worth it to even give them a fusion blaster or homing beacon or anything outside of that?

Appreciate the help guys!

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19th Krieg Siege Army 7500pts.
40k/HH Night Lords 5000pts.
Orks Waaaghmacht Spearhead 2500pts.
 
   
 
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