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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/07 17:50:19
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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Bryan01 wrote:That warlord trait combines well with the ghostkeel wing, guaranteed one turn of stealth and shrouding effectively for infantry units within the stealth bubble.
hmm.. yeah good point.. that could be interesting..
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/07 19:14:32
Subject: Re:For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
Olympia, WA
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Razerous wrote:Aun'Va + VSG?
Oh gosh.. could you ignore a shield generator (on a stormsurge) or/and stims on Riptides to offset the cost of a VSG?
Ah just a thought. I play at 1500pts and you can only play with so many toys Otherwise the Drone Net would be amazing, alas I only use 6 drones!
This list was 1500 if you noticed. No way around invul saves, only cover saves. But The Warlord Trait is twice as useful in a Gunfort where I was, because 2+ saves are pretty sweet when you know there's no penalty for taking them for a round.
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jeffersonian000 wrote:
There is a reason why your set up works for you, and that is because of your local meta. Your list is built to defeat your local opponents, who per your own description play a much lower level of game than many on this forum are use to seeing.
SJ
It works because it works. I had never played any of my opponents before. This had nothing to do with that.
"Meta" isn't even worth talking about in this case anyways. The Portland to Seattle connection sported 8 of the top 40 ITC generals this year that I KNOW. There might be some on that list I don't know and there were certainly a lot of generals who don't even go to ITC events who are equally talented. So let's stow the "meta" talk for another thread where condescension is warranted. This isn't that thread.
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Grizzyzz wrote: Bryan01 wrote:That warlord trait combines well with the ghostkeel wing, guaranteed one turn of stealth and shrouding effectively for infantry units within the stealth bubble.
hmm.. yeah good point.. that could be interesting..
Yip. Into the maw of madness the Ghostkeels go!
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Hold out bait to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and then crush him.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/07 21:19:10
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
Phoenix, AZ, USA
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"Meta" means "self-referential", specifically, it's a term that means the circumstances you describe. You described your list, your tactics, and recounted your battles. That is you referencing yourself and the circumstances you faced. That's your local meta. When people refer to your local meta, or the meta of the game, they are refering to the circumstances you face given the information you provide.
My point was that your list worked the way you described it because your opponents played the way you described them as playing. If you had better opponents, your experience shoukd have been different, because the rest of us do not use your unit selection due to the opponents we play against who would beat us handedly if we played your list.
Do you understand what I am saying? Just trying to help.
SJ
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“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world.”
- Ephesians 6:12
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/07 21:23:48
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Dakka Veteran
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Regarding the buffmander, is there any reason you would not put all the signature systems on a crisis suit commander and then give the commander the shots. If you attach the commander to a unit of crisis suits.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/07 22:03:29
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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The issue with not using a commander for the buffmander tactic is loss of IC in case his unit gets shot up. Also, Crisis Suits spend a hardpoint slot for signature systems while commanders and Bodyguards dont.
Also loss of 2+ LoS. Usually hes also a Tankmander when i run him so hes a lot less likely to die even if hes soaking damage, but random S10 shots can still splat iridium suits so 2+ LoS please!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/08 01:26:31
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Tunneling Trygon
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jeffersonian000 wrote:"Meta" means "self-referential", specifically, it's a term that means the circumstances you describe. You described your list, your tactics, and recounted your battles. That is you referencing yourself and the circumstances you faced. That's your local meta. When people refer to your local meta, or the meta of the game, they are refering to the circumstances you face given the information you provide.
My point was that your list worked the way you described it because your opponents played the way you described them as playing. If you had better opponents, your experience shoukd have been different, because the rest of us do not use your unit selection due to the opponents we play against who would beat us handedly if we played your list.
Do you understand what I am saying? Just trying to help.
SJ
I don't mean to speak in his place, but it sounds like he does understand and disagrees with your assessment that his list does well because of his meta.
Though I can't presume to know the whole situation, I am inclined to agree. I was surprised at the amount of success that Jancoran was finding with certain units.
Then again, Lictor shame is a thing, so what do any of us know?  I remember like 3 weeks before the tournament, Nayden asked the Tyranid thread what they thought of his list....and everyone (seasoned tournament veterans included) told him it would not be good.
#gogogadgetinternet
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/08 08:05:56
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
Olympia, WA
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Uh huh. Like I said.
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luke1705 wrote: jeffersonian000 wrote:"Meta" means "self-referential", specifically, it's a term that means the circumstances you describe. You described your list, your tactics, and recounted your battles. That is you referencing yourself and the circumstances you faced. That's your local meta. When people refer to your local meta, or the meta of the game, they are refering to the circumstances you face given the information you provide.
My point was that your list worked the way you described it because your opponents played the way you described them as playing. If you had better opponents, your experience shoukd have been different, because the rest of us do not use your unit selection due to the opponents we play against who would beat us handedly if we played your list.
Do you understand what I am saying? Just trying to help.
SJ
I don't mean to speak in his place, but it sounds like he does understand and disagrees with your assessment that his list does well because of his meta.
Though I can't presume to know the whole situation, I am inclined to agree. I was surprised at the amount of success that Jancoran was finding with certain units.
Then again, Lictor shame is a thing, so what do any of us know?  I remember like 3 weeks before the tournament, Nayden asked the Tyranid thread what they thought of his list....and everyone (seasoned tournament veterans included) told him it would not be good.
#gogogadgetinternet
A fool is someone who is so smart that he can learn nothing from anyone.
The next time someone tells you something you haven't heard before, thinks something you haven't thought before or sees something you've never viewed before, pay attention. For you are very much in peril of learning something new at that moment.
Philosophy aside, the keyboard allows anyone to say anything, but none of it changes demonstrated results. The same list has defeated Battle Companies, Eldar battle hosts, and Skyhammers. It has taken on thunderwolf Cavalry and it has taken on a War Convocations. I have no worries about it other than that it will have to be torn down for most ITC tournaments which won't allow the Gun Fort. No problem.
SJ's meta allows his GK to feel froggy. That's fine. I won't attack his meta just because they apparently struggle against his GK. Maybe he's just that good. Until he proves it, he really should stop talking about metas though. I don't think that intimations like that change a thing. =) "Must be the Meta" is what people say when they dont actually HAVE a cogent argument.
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Hold out bait to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and then crush him.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/08 09:07:19
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Fixture of Dakka
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luke1705 wrote: jeffersonian000 wrote:"Meta" means "self-referential", specifically, it's a term that means the circumstances you describe. You described your list, your tactics, and recounted your battles. That is you referencing yourself and the circumstances you faced. That's your local meta. When people refer to your local meta, or the meta of the game, they are refering to the circumstances you face given the information you provide.
My point was that your list worked the way you described it because your opponents played the way you described them as playing. If you had better opponents, your experience shoukd have been different, because the rest of us do not use your unit selection due to the opponents we play against who would beat us handedly if we played your list.
Do you understand what I am saying? Just trying to help.
SJ
I don't mean to speak in his place, but it sounds like he does understand and disagrees with your assessment that his list does well because of his meta.
Though I can't presume to know the whole situation, I am inclined to agree. I was surprised at the amount of success that Jancoran was finding with certain units.
Then again, Lictor shame is a thing, so what do any of us know?  I remember like 3 weeks before the tournament, Nayden asked the Tyranid thread what they thought of his list....and everyone (seasoned tournament veterans included) told him it would not be good.
#gogogadgetinternet
I actually liked Sean's list in that Tyranid Tactica thread. I understood what he was going for.
Btw, I played against Jeremy "the French Overlord's" new Tau list and I must say that it was a handful.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/08 19:14:48
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
Phoenix, AZ, USA
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SJ's meta allows his GK to feel froggy. That's fine. I won't attack his meta just because they apparently struggle against his GK. Maybe he's just that good. Until he proves it, he really should stop talking about metas though. I don't think that intimations like that change a thing. =) "Must be the Meta" is what people say when they dont actually HAVE a cogent argument.
I don't know if you are trying to misunderstand, or not, but my point was that it doesn't matter how well you do in a self-reported game, as there is no way anyone can confirm your self-reporting. If you played in a registered tournament with results posted on a publicly accessable website by a third party, then what you self-report can be coaberated. Even if we took you at your word, it still begs that you won not because of some uber-build that uses non-standard units, but that you won because your opponents were not the same caliber as you are. The fact that the presented list can be so easily dismantled points to there having been no challenging opponent.
This is why self-reporting is meaningless. A battle report from one if your opponents would have had more value. No video = no evidence. As such, we can only judge the report on it's contents, which are lacking.
So yes, I'm calling BS on the battle report.
SJ
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/08 21:05:42
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
Olympia, WA
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jeffersonian000 wrote:SJ's meta allows his GK to feel froggy. That's fine. I won't attack his meta just because they apparently struggle against his GK. Maybe he's just that good. Until he proves it, he really should stop talking about metas though. I don't think that intimations like that change a thing. =) "Must be the Meta" is what people say when they dont actually HAVE a cogent argument.
I don't know if you are trying to misunderstand, or not, but my point was that it doesn't matter how well you do in a self-reported game, as there is no way anyone can confirm your self-reporting. If you played in a registered tournament with results posted on a publicly accessable website by a third party, then what you self-report can be coaberated. Even if we took you at your word, it still begs that you won not because of some uber-build that uses non-standard units, but that you won because your opponents were not the same caliber as you are. The fact that the presented list can be so easily dismantled points to there having been no challenging opponent.
This is why self-reporting is meaningless. A battle report from one if your opponents would have had more value. No video = no evidence. As such, we can only judge the report on it's contents, which are lacking.
So yes, I'm calling BS on the battle report.
SJ
Um...okay? Lol. It was an ITC tournament so i imagine you wont have much problem finding it being "reported" because as you know ,all those things are easily accessible. Once they post the results there, you will be out of excuses.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/08 21:39:04
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Well provide the link please saying it's itc still gives us lots of options you know exactly how and when.
You always seem to get the unskilled Generals in your own reports
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/08 21:49:08
Subject: Re:For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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I'm not sure I agree. While that list has nowhere near as many poorly-spent points as the list you posted previously, it's still pretty far from optimized. Cadre Fireblades, for example, are just a bad idea. Aun'va sounds fun, but one round of shooting from a unit of 3 scatterbikes is pretty likely to wipe his whole unit in a turn of shooting. Thinking outside the box is great and all, but sometimes there are good reasons why units get shelved.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/09 00:27:04
Subject: Re:For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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Still folks, something important to take away here rather than brow-bashing. Units that are potentially or actually sub-par can be quite effective; surprise opponents, meta-defying options/flexibility... Yeah an opponent could obliterate a weaker model with a poor armour save, I agree that same opponent may understand how to deal with a Centstar or Scat-bikes.. but they may slip up vs. a unorthodox model. These unorthodox units give you different options that could be good (i.e. they just may die easier), and good allows for wins! Personally, I had great fun with Lictorshame, especially using the Spore-mine formation to force decisions/movement with tiny pt-cost models. So I call GG
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Friend of mine just sent me this:
"The Tyranid Codex, where I learned the truth about despair, as will you. There's a reason why this codex is the worst hell on earth... Hope. ." Too be fair.. it's all worked out quite well!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/09 02:01:35
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Tunneling Trygon
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Had? I'm still running it!
But perhaps rather than saying so and so's meta is soft or bad or his opponents are bad, a productive discussion might be something along the lines of:
"Hey I saw that you were using Unit X, which I personally have found to struggle against tactic A/Weapon B/Army C. How did you overcome those limitations?"
Maybe it's just the result of a small sample size. But maybe someone is on to something. The easiest way to make sure that no one ever learns anything or gets better is to just stick to conventional wisdom and shut down all new ideas.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/09 03:03:06
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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luke1705 wrote:Had? I'm still running it!
But perhaps rather than saying so and so's meta is soft or bad or his opponents are bad, a productive discussion might be something along the lines of:
"Hey I saw that you were using Unit X, which I personally have found to struggle against tactic A/Weapon B/Army C. How did you overcome those limitations?"
Maybe it's just the result of a small sample size. But maybe someone is on to something. The easiest way to make sure that no one ever learns anything or gets better is to just stick to conventional wisdom and shut down all new ideas.
..you know nothing john snow..
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/09 04:55:03
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
Olympia, WA
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arthorn wrote:Well provide the link please saying it's itc still gives us lots of options you know exactly how and when.
You always seem to get the unskilled Generals in your own reports
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luke1705 wrote:Had? I'm still running it!
But perhaps rather than saying so and so's meta is soft or bad or his opponents are bad, a productive discussion might be something along the lines of:
"Hey I saw that you were using Unit X, which I personally have found to struggle against tactic A/Weapon B/Army C. How did you overcome those limitations?"
Maybe it's just the result of a small sample size. But maybe someone is on to something. The easiest way to make sure that no one ever learns anything or gets better is to just stick to conventional wisdom and shut down all new ideas.
Here's the funny part: If I take some of these netlists, I will supposedly win.
If I take the units I take... I actually win.
This is a Tau tactics thread. i recommend people take all the affirmative results they can find over all these pages and apply them. Or a guy can get onto a tactics thread and ignore all affirmative results. That's also an option. It's just not an option that makes sense.
Follow the
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MilkmanAl wrote:I'm not sure I agree. While that list has nowhere near as many poorly-spent points as the list you posted previously, it's still pretty far from optimized. Cadre Fireblades, for example, are just a bad idea. Aun'va sounds fun, but one round of shooting from a unit of 3 scatterbikes is pretty likely to wipe his whole unit in a turn of shooting. Thinking outside the box is great and all, but sometimes there are good reasons why units get shelved.
You think a Cadre Fireblade with Firewarriors on a Gunrig is a bad idea? Their splitfire ability doesn't strike you as perfect for a Gun Fort? You don't like their added markerlight support? Their LD upgrade for the unit instead of wasting it on a Shas'ui doesn't strike you as an added bargain?
I don't really know that i agree.
3 Scatterbikes won't kill aun'Va in all likelihood because they can't see him. If you had played against my list with your Scatter Bikes as one army did, you would learn that the angle to fire on him isn't that easy to find. That isn't to say there isn't the plausible scenario in which it happens. It just means you are overestimating the ease with which it would.
It takes no imagination to say "Don't take Grotesques because of Manticores". But if that's your best argument well.. Same goes for Scatter Bikes and Aun'Va. Shall we never take Rhinos because: Scatter Bikes? No. Shall we never take anything that is AV 10? Shall we never take anything that is lover than T10? At some point it is absurd to say that a Psycannon, STR 7 and all, will both get the angle, the range, hit and wound, overcome cover and Paradox... Come now. It could happen. It has happened. I'm not going to live in fear over it. What he does for me is exceptionally good. I've explained why. I provided a link with yet more thoughts on him.
Do with that what you will or won't.
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arthorn wrote:Well provide the link please saying it's itc still gives us lots of options you know exactly how and when.
ALL ITC tournaments can be viewed.
https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2016-itc-event-results/
It's easy to find if you google it so if you lose track of this link later just google it. As for the results, the store has to turn them in and then ITC has to have time to post it but it'll show up there. Just happened on Saturday so I doubt very seriously that it's been posted yet.
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Almost forgot. You can also get on Facebook and check out the Stores page: Olympic Cards and Comics.
I'm fairly obvious in the picture they put up March 5th.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/09 15:25:37
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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So had to reread the skimmer movement rules and really confused myself lol.. Someone help me out.
Skimmer can move 6" or cruise 12" then in shooting it can flatout another 6"?
Fast skimmer can move 12" or cruise 18", then in shooting flatout another 6" or another 12"?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Additionally I just want to bring something up that is typical GW broken rules...
Coldstar drones.. when he is grounded it states "immediately return to the battlefield within unit coherency".
so Say for this example i have 10 drones.. I ground, and following the rule.. I could drop all the drones in unit coherency to conga line ~20" to this objective that is a little ways away... Just something that came to mind trying to put a list together using coldstars.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/09 15:51:20
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Trustworthy Shas'vre
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Grizzyzz wrote:So had to reread the skimmer movement rules and really confused myself lol.. Someone help me out.
Skimmer can move 6" or cruise 12" then in shooting it can flatout another 6"?
Fast skimmer can move 12" or cruise 18", then in shooting flatout another 6" or another 12"?
it's a heck of a reason to take a hunter cadre if mechanized. and sensor spines
and fast skimmers move at the same rate as normal skimmers, fast just changes the number of weapons that can fire, and how far you move when going flat out.
skimmers, stationary, fire all weapons. move 6", fire one weapon at full BS and the rest at snap fire. Cruising, all snap shots. 6" flat out.
fast skimmers, stationary or 6"move, fire as though stationary. Cruising, one weapon at BS. 18" Flat out.
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'No plan survives contact with the enemy. Who are we?'
'THE ENEMY!!!'
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/09 15:57:05
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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carldooley wrote: Grizzyzz wrote:So had to reread the skimmer movement rules and really confused myself lol.. Someone help me out.
Skimmer can move 6" or cruise 12" then in shooting it can flatout another 6"?
Fast skimmer can move 12" or cruise 18", then in shooting flatout another 6" or another 12"?
it's a heck of a reason to take a hunter cadre if mechanized. and sensor spines
and fast skimmers move at the same rate as normal skimmers, fast just changes the number of weapons that can fire, and how far you move when going flat out.
skimmers, stationary, fire all weapons. move 6", fire one weapon at full BS and the rest at snap fire. Cruising, all snap shots. 6" flat out.
fast skimmers, stationary or 6"move, fire as though stationary. Cruising, one weapon at BS. 18" Flat out.
So if i wanted to move a piranha as far as possible.. is that at most 18" ?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/09 16:23:26
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Trustworthy Shas'vre
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Grizzyzz wrote:So if i wanted to move a piranha as far as possible.. is that at most 18" ?
no. 12" in movement, then 18" in shooting (flat out), for a total of a 30" move.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/09 16:35:09
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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carldooley wrote: Grizzyzz wrote:So if i wanted to move a piranha as far as possible.. is that at most 18" ?
no. 12" in movement, then 18" in shooting (flat out), for a total of a 30" move.
Ahhh ok, excellent! Sometimes I wish the rules would just be explicit and not read page AA, then AB, then refer back to AC, then you need to read this special set of rules... UGH /rant
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/09 16:51:14
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
Olympia, WA
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Grizzyzz wrote:So had to reread the skimmer movement rules and really confused myself lol.. Someone help me out.
Skimmer can move 6" or cruise 12" then in shooting it can flatout another 6"?
Fast skimmer can move 12" or cruise 18", then in shooting flatout another 6" or another 12"?
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Additionally I just want to bring something up that is typical GW broken rules...
Coldstar drones.. when he is grounded it states "immediately return to the battlefield within unit coherency".
so Say for this example i have 10 drones.. I ground, and following the rule.. I could drop all the drones in unit coherency to conga line ~20" to this objective that is a little ways away... Just something that came to mind trying to put a list together using coldstars.
THAT is an awesome tactical consideration, though Im not sure he'd have 20 drones? interesting though
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/09 17:27:38
Subject: Re:For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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I wish the Coldstar could LoS grounding test wounds onto his drones (with the promising but flawed idea is that you place drones, then LoS grounding test wounds) - he would instantly become awesome, IMO. Effectively a 30pt upgrade to a Mark'O squad for some Awesome maneuverability!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/09 18:23:32
Subject: Re:For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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Razerous wrote:I wish the Coldstar could LoS grounding test wounds onto his drones (with the promising but flawed idea is that you place drones, then LoS grounding test wounds) - he would instantly become awesome, IMO. Effectively a 30pt upgrade to a Mark'O squad for some Awesome maneuverability!
He just needs to be T5, and most of his issue go away.
SJ
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/09 18:35:52
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Unshakeable Grey Knight Land Raider Pilot
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It's pretty clear the Coldstar only caddies the two drones that are part of his wargear.
Please stop trying to polish this turd.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/09 18:59:31
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Big Mek in Kustom Dragster with Soopa-Gun
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Yeah he really does need T5. I fiend one fairly often just because he isnt useless just not that amazing, even though hes fun to mess with. Few times mine dies its due to a random S8+ weapon hitting him, skyfire or not. I actually havent had him epic faceplant yet, the one test hes failed he 4++'d away in about a dozen games.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/09 19:00:17
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
Olympia, WA
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He isn't wrong though that it can stretch out and snag an objective this way though so while 20 drones isn't going to happen, it's still an interesting point. Automatically Appended Next Post: I am curious as to whether people generally like the Ion Head tank?
I am considering a heavily comp'd tournament in July. They pre-rate all lists on a team and they try to get teams that are as evenly matched as possible even to the point of self declaring your strength as a general so that the team captains can consider it if they see a "tough" list but that its being commanded by a self reported lesser general.
Anyways, bringing themed armies is pretty big this year in the scoring. We always have done themed armies and this year we are doing "Tread heads". So we are not allowing anyone on our team to take anything that is not mounted on a vehicle or is not itself a vehicle.
I am probably going to bring Tau Empire (though I am sorely tempted to take the Sisters of Battle who I really enjoy playing on treads) this is what I am thinking for Tau Empire:
Fighter
Bomber
5 Piranhas
4 hammerheads
2 Skyrays
2 Strike Teams in Devilfish's
2 Ethereals
Question is: Ionheads? No Ion heads?
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Hold out bait to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and then crush him.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/09 20:59:09
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Warplord Titan Princeps of Tzeentch
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Pre-rating lists seems like sure way to make sure the meta stays stale and nothing new and exiting pops up.
I mean, look at lictor shame at its first appearances-would probably be ranked really low.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/09 21:49:09
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
Olympia, WA
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BoomWolf wrote:Pre-rating lists seems like sure way to make sure the meta stays stale and nothing new and exiting pops up.
I mean, look at lictor shame at its first appearances-would probably be ranked really low.
Yeah I don't think you quite understand. The variety of lists that show up is quite a bit more plentiful because people aren't min/maxing. The lists are rated 1-4. 4's are simply disallowed and they have to rewrite the list.
So 3 is a tournament army without perhaps the ridiculousness
a 2 is a normal friendly army
A 1 is basically a heavily disadvantaged one.
The goal is to have a 4 person team and your total points cant exceed 8. 4 2's for example or some such.
My personal team has generally tanked our own scores for this tournament to see how well we can do with 1's. I've gone 5-0 with a 1 before so its kind of fun to see what can be done that way. last years theme actually forced me to play a 3, which was the first time I did it.
But this year our theme is Tread heads and so my question, again, is whether I should include some Ion heads into the list instead of all Railguns with Submunitions. Not even so much that as I am curious of what people think opf the Ion head, as I might want to take one or two just to lower my score if indeed people think its a stronger choice. And so on.
So thjat is why I am asking for opinions.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/09 23:23:31
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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Jancoran wrote: Grizzyzz wrote:
so Say for this example i have 10 drones.. I ground, and following the rule.. I could drop all the drones in unit coherency to conga line ~20" to this objective that is a little ways away... Just something that came to mind trying to put a list together using coldstars.
THAT is an awesome tactical consideration, though Im not sure he'd have 20 drones? interesting though
10 drones, 2" coherence.. stretches about 20"
raverrn wrote:It's pretty clear the Coldstar only caddies the two drones that are part of his wargear.
Please stop trying to polish this turd.
Your not helping this thread when you don't know rules. He can join a squad of drones and also have 2 of his own with him.
Cheers!
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Razerous wrote:I wish the Coldstar could LoS grounding test wounds onto his drones (with the promising but flawed idea is that you place drones, then LoS grounding test wounds) - he would instantly become awesome, IMO. Effectively a 30pt upgrade to a Mark'O squad for some Awesome maneuverability!
I'm actually confident that you can LoS since you LoS wounds and that effect goes off when you take the grounding wound.
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