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 Jancoran wrote:

Fragile wrote:
Well you can take those to YDMC, but those are both rules quotes.

You left out the most important portion of the rules.

Which would be what?

 Jancoran wrote:

 necron99 wrote:
@Jancoran could you post your list here?

Sure.
Total Roster Cost: 1848

: Farsight Enclave Combined Arms Detachment (17#, 909 pts)
440pts 1 KV128 Stormsurge (Twin-linked Airbursting Fragmentation Projector + Early Warning Override + Velocity Tracker0 + Shield Generator)

84pts 1 Sniper Drone Team ( 3 Firesight Marksman [and 3 MV71 Sniper Drone [Tau], )

28pts 1 Crisis Shas'ui [Tau], 28 pts = (Flamer x1 + Bonding Knife Ritual)

28pts 1 Crisis Shas'ui [Tau], 28 pts = (Flamer x1 + Bonding Knife Ritual)

28pts 1 Crisis Shas'ui [Tau], 28 pts = (Flamer x1 + Bonding Knife Ritual)

191pts 1 Riptide Shas'vre [Ion Accelerator + Bonding Knife Ritual) + Early Warning Override

50pts 1 Ethereal (HQ) [Tau]

60pts 5 Tau Pathfinders (Bonding Knife Ritual)

Formation: Tau Empire Optimized Stealth Cadre (19#, 799 pts)

164pts 5 Stealth Shas'ui (1 x Fusion Blaster + 3 x Advanced Targeting System)

167pts 5 Stealth Shas'ui (1 x Fusion Blaster + 4 x Advanced Targeting System)

468pts 1 XV95 Ghostkeel Battlesuit unit as follows:
1 Ghostkeel Shas'vre [Tau], 166 pts = (Twin Linked Fusion Blaster ) + Bonding Knife Ritual + Early Warning Override + Velocity Tracker )
1 Ghostkeel Shas'vre [Tau], 151 pts = (Twin Linked Fusion Blaster) + Bonding Knife Ritual + Early Warning Override + Target Lock)
1 Ghostkeel Shas'vre [Tau], 151 pts = (Twin Linked Fusion Blaster) + Bonding Knife Ritual + Early Warning Override + Target Lock )

Officio Assassinorum Detachment (140 pts):
140pts Culexus Assassin

updated

I'm starting to think more and more about the Farsight CAD...single suits DSing and running around seems a lot faster than msu fire warriors I also recently picked up a culexus to start shoe horning in to ALL of my lists (Necrons, SM, Tau, etc) because it seems everyone at my club either runs Eldar or the Librarius Conclave. How've you found it to work for you?

P.S. You should edit your list and remove the point costs lest the dakkadakka police will show up at your door step

 necron99 wrote:
I'm starting to think more and more about the Farsight CAD...single suits DSing and running around seems a lot faster than msu fire warriors I also recently picked up a culexus to start shoe horning in to ALL of my lists (Necrons, SM, Tau, etc) because it seems everyone at my club either runs Eldar or the Librarius Conclave. How've you found it to work for you?

P.S. You should edit your list and remove the point costs lest the dakkadakka police will show up at your door step

The Culexus stopped the Librarian Dreadnought from using Force, which was a big deal when it fought my StormSurge. So that was useful. i did not get a ton of use out of him THIS time but the armies were in attendance that I feared, so i mean there was every chance I might meet one of them and I was not necessarily finding him uber useful in all my games but he was useful enough. for example in one game he popped up and outflanked which kinda brought the enemy backing towards him to deal with him whaich was precisely what I needed at that time in the game. his objective sitters were no match and would have gotten butchered so he HAAAAAD to go backwards to save them. in another game at the Major, i was able to blast some Necron Jetbikes and forced them to Jink on two different turns to avoid the AP 1 shots of doom, and because it happens in the Psyker phase, i was still able to advance on them and force the issue again at speed (theres never a reason not to run the Culexus unless you're assaulting).

So from the perspective of limiting my enemies fire potential, he did some work there but there were several armies i definitely would not have wanted to face without it.

 necron99 wrote:
I'm starting to think more and more about the Farsight CAD...single suits DSing and running around seems a lot faster than msu fire warriors I also recently picked up a culexus to start shoe horning in to ALL of my lists (Necrons, SM, Tau, etc) because it seems everyone at my club either runs Eldar or the Librarius Conclave. How've you found it to work for you?

P.S. You should edit your list and remove the point costs lest the dakkadakka police will show up at your door step

I've had a good amount of luck using Sisters of Silence in the place of a Culexus... but generally I LOATH the almost mandatory Culexsus right now, and think its among the worst parts of competitive 40k.

I will say I LOVE Farsight CADs, and they've become my default starting point when Tau list-building. Solo Crisis suits are great suicide scorers, or contributors/distractions in their own right, and its the tax free way to get an Y'vahra, or Stormsurge into any list you like. I also really enjoy Tetras in lists that don't have a formation slot free for Drone-net (ala ITC restrictions), and the Farsight CAD likewise makes that possible.

I had to take a riptide out of the list in order to take him, and that bothered me but seemed very necessary. People dont mess around at Majors. 60% of them think they can win it all.

 Jancoran wrote:
I had to take a riptide out of the list in order to take him, and that bothered me but seemed very necessary. People dont mess@around at Majors. 60% of them think they can win it all.

That sounds like everyone at my club. About 90% of them are WAAC or at least play lists that you would normally see in the top 10 or so at your average tournament. Which is really good for me because it forces me to do better But now it's forcing me to come up with ways of dealing with the psychic phase while playing armies that don't normally participate in that phase.

This Monday I'm scheduled to play against Magnus and the flying circus so I'm rolling out the skyrays which I didn't think I'd be able to play again en mass due to the Tau formation being more heavy towards hammerhead but looking at the FSE CAD I can run three again

 necron99 wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
I had to take a riptide out of the list in order to take him, and that bothered me but seemed very necessary. People dont mess@around at Majors. 60% of them think they can win it all.

That sounds like everyone at my club. About 90% of them are WAAC or at least play lists that you would normally see in the top 10 or so at your average tournament. Which is really good for me because it forces me to do better But now it's forcing me to come up with ways of dealing with the psychic phase while playing armies that don't normally participate in that phase.

This Monday I'm scheduled to play against Magnus and the flying circus so I'm rolling out the skyrays which I didn't think I'd be able to play again en mass due to the Tau formation being more heavy towards hammerhead but looking at the FSE CAD I can run three again

We have a similar meta... but won I would almost say is one step "further" down where things are heading. Here people have gotten so accustomed to taking the mandatory anti-Psyker options, that they've significantly reduced taking anything Psyker themselves. As such, i'm personally reading this as a safe time, around here, to drop the Culexus as he's becoming dead points.

Magnus will be a thing, but I think the next tournament metas might drift away from Psyker heavy armies now that people outright plan to deal with them, first thing, in almost any list they make.

So out of curiosity how do most of you run your OSC? Mine's almost complete (need another keel and maybe a few more stealth suits). Do you keep the stealth suits close by to take advantage of the formation rules? Do you run them out in the open or refuse to leave cover? Most of the terrain at my club mimics the Nova format so there's usually a clump of ruins in the middle and in two of the corners with hills in the other two corners. At a local monthly tournament I attend it's much more sporadic and barely conducive for 3 MCs let alone 3 MCs and two units of stealth suits.

The last few months I have been running my OSC w/ 3 keels. I have had some really good success, but also if you don't get a good jump away they have gotten tied up in hth.

I typically just use the stealth suits to grab obj's and homing beacons for my retaliation cadre. I find that trying to keep them within 6" is a little too difficult for my liking.

Also by using the drones to keep coherency I have been able to mitigate the 24" range of the CIB to some degree by spreading the keels out and each firing at different targets if needed.

 necron99 wrote:
So out of curiosity how do most of you run your OSC? Mine's almost complete (need another keel and maybe a few more stealth suits). Do you keep the stealth suits close by to take advantage of the formation rules? Do you run them out in the open or refuse to leave cover? Most of the terrain at my club mimics the Nova format so there's usually a clump of ruins in the middle and in two of the corners with hills in the other two corners. At a local monthly tournament I attend it's much more sporadic and barely conducive for 3 MCs let alone 3 MCs and two units of stealth suits.

468pts 1 XV95 Ghostkeel Battlesuit unit as follows:
1 Ghostkeel Shas'vre [Tau], 166 pts = (Twin Linked Fusion Blaster ) + Bonding Knife Ritual + Early Warning Override + Velocity Tracker )
1 Ghostkeel Shas'vre [Tau], 151 pts = (Twin Linked Fusion Blaster) + Bonding Knife Ritual + Early Warning Override + Target Lock)
1 Ghostkeel Shas'vre [Tau], 151 pts = (Twin Linked Fusion Blaster) + Bonding Knife Ritual + Early Warning Override + Target Lock )

plus 2 x 5 man stealthsuit squads.

I have found that they make a VERY formidable firebase when you need one and its mobile. I have also learned that Stealthsuits make excellent roadblocks. However having said all that, I am also finding great need in my force to sort of "join up with them later" because infiltrating them is so useful. For example at this weekends Major, the Stalthsuits in round one had to go get the Emperors Will objective way over yonder against Necrons and couldnt really afford to "hang" with their big buddies who were charged with taking up the middle to stop Pylons from porting without consequence ( a wise decision as it turned out).

In game two the Stealthsuits were used to cut off the Scout moves of the White Scars. He seized on me, which sucked terribly badly. had he not that game was mine for the taking. The Stealthsuits are obviously far more expensive than the kroot would have been but...Kroot arent in my OSC are they? it was very unfortunate to lose them like that.

in round 3, the Stealthsuits stayed home and blasted stuff apart with the Ghost keels nearby. Effective as always. One unit forged forth and took out two units of Sisters of Silence over time. that unit just could not kill the stupid Drop pod over there. fortunately it didnt end up mattering much.

in game 4, the stealthsuits definitely had to DS and draw the enemy backwards to protects its rearguard. In that game it was all up hill anyways and one of them had a perfect landing spot...only to bound 9 inches and DIRECTLY into the middle of three Riptides. Lol. They died. not a shining moment for them.

in game 5 they were REALLY effective ranging forward and blowing stuff up with meltas and as the Ghostkeels got up to join them it got even better. they pretty much only spent one turn without Ghostkeel coolness because I deep struck in the ghostkeels in round 2.

On game 6, the Stealthsuits were up against a ton of tough armor and tough everything, so I infiltrated them near infiltrating scouts shot and assaulted said scouts (killed them), Killed a Storm, and took objectives. in the other corner they ranged forward and shot up the gunners on his thunderfire Cannons, albeit it took a lot of shooting to get it done. The fusion made it through his 3+ cover and popped the guys eventually. So here again mooooostly ranging.

I guess it just depends on the enemy. as a rule they are quite scary en masses and with ghostkeels nearby. they can roll a flank if the enemy isn't an unkillable deathstar type thing. volume of fire on them even helps against some flyers once in a while. its about the opponent more than it is about my army as far as using them goes but they do so much work, its really great having them.

I don't think I've ever run an OSC with fewer than 3 Ghostkeels. They're too good to pass up in the formation, and BS5 from Fire Team is killer. The Stealth Suits are good enough, but I definitely do my best to keep them within formation bonus range, if at all possible. Otherwise, they're just Stealth Suits, which is lackluster.

With that in mind, I tend to use the OSC as a forward unit of some kind. That may mean flanking, pushing the middle, or denying a flank, depending on deployment and what's going on in the game. I've always been very happy with the OSC's performance, and the Ghostkeels tend to draw an unusually huge amount of fire. I'm cool with that!

When I use OSC, it's with 3 Ghostkeels (in reserves if I have a Comms Relay, on table if I don't) + 2x3 Stealthies, which I infiltrate and use as a nuisance. The 3 Ghosties are the main deal for me (CIR and TLBC).

Ghostkeels never hurt you on the table though. Its unusual to say the least for enemies to prefer them as targets when I explain holophoton Countermeasures to the opponent. 2+ armor AND that? they start looking for something else to shoot. Lol. Which allows the Ghostkeels to do a lot of damage. The Riptide wing is kinda mean, and so is the OSC. You can strand half of a Battle company where it stands with the OSC and then bomb the crap out of what came out with the Riptide Wing. I have never used a Riptide Wing (on purpose) but they do in fact act as EXCELLENT finishers. in that kind of list.

I think i will unshackle myself though in regard to the Riptide Wing. I've never done it because I just don't like the sour look I see on a persons face when I hear others saying "Are you familiar with how the Riptide Wing functions?" I actually DO care about that. But as the meta gets meaner, I feel i will have to as well and like I've said before, I do swim in a shark tank here. There's an unmerciful volume of great armies I have to face, and it gets tougher and tougher to be the only guy with any restraint still winning.

I enjoy the challenge, which is part of it I suppose but i think the enemies have grown strong enough to allow me the freedom to do it.

My thoughts exactly Jancoran. I feel like a brutal meta should mean yours gloves are off as well. How sociable, and pleasant a gamer you are is independent of your list, in my mind, and I can bring a blood-thirsty list, but have fun, encourage fun for my opponent, be a good sport, etc. Its just a part of the social contract, so bringing a Wing against a new-to-the-game ten year old, is different than bringing it against someone there to seriously compete.

Also, from these last few posts, I guess I need to buy a third Ghostkeel. :-p I've only ever had two.

 Jancoran wrote:
Ghostkeels never hurt you on the table though. Its unusual to say the least for enemies to prefer them as targets when I explain holophoton Countermeasures to the opponent. 2+ armor AND that? they start looking for something else to shoot. Lol.

Where did your ghost keels find 2+? they are 3+ armor. I mean i could send them shopping at a new store, for some sweet 2+ pants and shoulder pads.

Probably meant 2+ cover save.

SJ

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
My thoughts exactly Jancoran. I feel like a brutal meta should mean yours gloves are off as well. How sociable, and pleasant a gamer you are is independent of your list, in my mind, and I can bring a blood-thirsty list, but have fun, encourage fun for my opponent, be a good sport, etc. Its just a part of the social contract, so bringing a Wing against a new-to-the-game ten year old, is different than bringing it against someone there to seriously compete.

Also, from these last few posts, I guess I need to buy a third Ghostkeel. :-p I've only ever had two.

Three is key.


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 pumaman1 wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:
Ghostkeels never hurt you on the table though. Its unusual to say the least for enemies to prefer them as targets when I explain holophoton Countermeasures to the opponent. 2+ armor AND that? they start looking for something else to shoot. Lol.

Where did your ghost keels find 2+? they are 3+ armor. I mean i could send them shopping at a new store, for some sweet 2+ pants and shoulder pads.

Come now.

Anyone know the lists for the Tau players that have been placing at top tables at recent tournaments? TSHFT was won by a Tau player, a Tau player came in third as well, plus Sean Nayden apparently has been playing Tau, taking 2nd at the Huzzah Hobbies Hammer in the New Year, as well as second in the Glass City GT. I'm especially interested to hear what Nayden is running because he typically makes Jancoran look like a netlister with his innovation.

Oh? That would be saying something!

The guy pioneered Lictor Shame, which was a list that used only two hive tyrants and a ton of single model lictor units to win a GT, made all the more impressive because the Lictor was considered one of the least points-efficient models in the Tyranid codex. He was the first to use DE Beast Star back in the day (although I have heard that this may have been in parallel with someone across the pond). He also was inches away from winning another GT with a corpsethief claw formation - not an awful formation but hardly considered top tournament tier.

So to say the least, I'm curious to see what he's been doing with Tau.

 luke1705 wrote:
The guy pioneered Lictor Shame, which was a list that used only two hive tyrants and a ton of single model lictor units to win a GT, made all the more impressive because the Lictor was considered one of the least points-efficient models in the Tyranid codex. He was the first to use DE Beast Star back in the day (although I have heard that this may have been in parallel with someone across the pond). He also was inches away from winning another GT with a corpsethief claw formation - not an awful formation but hardly considered top tournament tier.

So to say the least, I'm curious to see what he's been doing with Tau.

OK I know who you mean now. Lictor Shame was supremely great for guys like me. Loved hearing of his victory with that as i do with anyone whose just GOOd at the game and doesnt need a netlist to take home the gold.

Creativity nourishes me. =)

 luke1705 wrote:
Anyone know the lists for the Tau players that have been placing at top tables at recent tournaments? TSHFT was won by a Tau player, a Tau player came in third as well, plus Sean Nayden apparently has been playing Tau, taking 2nd at the Huzzah Hobbies Hammer in the New Year, as well as second in the Glass City GT. I'm especially interested to hear what Nayden is running because he typically makes Jancoran look like a netlister with his innovation.

I can't speak to Sean, but on the East Coast i've been seeing Reece's netlist (Double Storm-surge FSE CAD + Riptide wing) showing up at top tables surprisingly often again. It seemed to have gone out of vogue for a while, and then boom... I think two people ran it at Goldensprue this past weekend, and elsewhere.

Edit: And yeah, Jan... creativity in competitive 40k makes me so, so very happy. I love running great lists, but deplore net-listing. The most recent GT near me was Goldensprue this last weekend, and friends who attended told me it was a third really fun, or personally crafted lists, and then just a bunch of clone armies pulled from other recent GTs. That just feels so very dull to me as I imagine its always about just guessing and beating the current "meta" at the list-building level, and less-so good generalship at the table.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 luke1705 wrote:
Anyone know the lists for the Tau players that have been placing at top tables at recent tournaments? TSHFT was won by a Tau player, a Tau player came in third as well, plus Sean Nayden apparently has been playing Tau, taking 2nd at the Huzzah Hobbies Hammer in the New Year, as well as second in the Glass City GT. I'm especially interested to hear what Nayden is running because he typically makes Jancoran look like a netlister with his innovation.

I can't speak to Sean, but on the East Coast i've been seeing Reece's netlist (Double Storm-surge FSE CAD + Riptide wing) showing up at top tables surprisingly often again. It seemed to have gone out of vogue for a while, and then boom... I think two people ran it at Goldensprue this past weekend, and elsewhere.

Edit: And yeah, Jan... creativity in competitive 40k makes me so, so very happy. I love running great lists, but deplore net-listing. The most recent GT near me was Goldensprue this last weekend, and friends who attended told me it was a third really fun, or personally crafted lists, and then just a bunch of clone armies pulled from other recent GTs. That just feels so very dull to me as I imagine its always about just guessing and beating the current "meta" at the list-building level, and less-so good generalship at the table.

Yup. I played against Sean Morgan's Tau Empire at TSHFT (He used the Frankie list) and was pretty sure before the game started that it wouldn't go well. Lol. I looked at his list the night before. I played him tough and mitigated his Markerlights by making him use interceptor more (basically null deployed and tried to play the objectives), and did some other things to kind of play the long game but in the end I probably just could have lined up and took my chances trying to outshoot the guy. Hey at least I would have gotten to roll more dice and when ISNT that fun? Next time i see that list, I'll probably do just that. In his defense I mean when you pay $90 to compete, you're there to win. You really can't bark about that. So while it might not have been very creative, it was understandable. Like i said before, I had the Primary at the end of 5 but he was going to win whether the game went on or not because he had the Tertiaries but i sure wish it had gotten down to that just from an ITC points perspective. Oh well.

I went 4-2 without the netlist and was a charge away from 5-1, instead of 5-1 with a net list? All things being equal and knowing there's only going to be one winner, I'd say I did fine.

He is taking a different list to my Elvensword Ambassadorial GT this Saturday the 28th (in part because of the unique way the Tournament rules are designed to encourage a more all comers approach). it is below:

Farsight Enclaves Combined Arms Detachment (primary)
135pts Commander Shadowsun (warlord)
60pts 10 Kroot Carnivores
645pts 9 Crisis (Bonding Knife, 9 Gun Drones
Shas’vre w/Command+Control Node, Multispectrum Sensor, Puretide Chip
2 w/Missile Pod, Missile Pod, Target Lock
2 w/Fusion Blaster, Fusion Blaster, Target Lock
3 w/Plasma Rifle, Plasma Rifle, Target Lock
1 w/Burst Cannon, Burst Cannon, Vectored Retro-thrusters)

Ranged Support Cadre
176pts 2 Broadsides (High-Yield Missile Pods, Early Warning Overrides, 3 Missile Drones)
176pts 2 Broadsides (High-Yield Missile Pods, Early Warning Overrides, 3 Missile Drones)
77pts 1 Broadside Suit (High-Yield Missile Pod, 1 Missile Drone)
55pts 5 Pathfinders
55pts 5 Pathfinders
55pts 5 Pathfinders

Riptide Wing
190pts 1 Riptide (Ion Accelerator, Twin-Linked Smart Missiles, Early Warning Override)
190pts 1 Riptide (Ion Accelerator, Twin-Linked Smart Missiles, Early Warning Override)
185pts 1 Riptide (Heavy Burst Cannon, Twin-Linked Smart Missiles, Ea


Shadowsun leading a Farsight contingent? Yup.

It's not less scary of course (Shadowsun is the key to the unit and she cant be sniped out). The Ranged Support Cadre is a pretty interesting include though. I like it. This is much more creative if not ground breaking. I actually am eager to see how it does. You can follow along as the tournament progresses.




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 luke1705 wrote:
Anyone know the lists for the Tau players that have been placing at top tables at recent tournaments? TSHFT was won by a Tau player, a Tau player came in third as well, plus Sean Nayden apparently has been playing Tau, taking 2nd at the Huzzah Hobbies Hammer in the New Year, as well as second in the Glass City GT. I'm especially interested to hear what Nayden is running because he typically makes Jancoran look like a netlister with his innovation.

Sean Naydens list was a Riptide Wing, a Corpsethief Claw and Eldar Cad with 1 Warlock, 2x3 barebones jetbikes as an excuse to take the skathach Forgeworld Wraithknight.

So only technically a Tau Empire list.

I experimented early on with a Corpsethief as "support." It was definitely effective, but it kind of shoehorns you into a less dynamic play style. That said, it's definitely a chocolate/peanut butter kind of marriage. The CTC is obviously rock hard and will dissuade just about anything from charging directly at you. Meanwhile, Tau provide the range and mobility needed to support the CTC while they trudge along toward wherever they're planning to bash heads. That said, I prefer running mostly Tau, so a ~700pt ally investment is a bit much.

As an aside, I plan to give a Grotesquerie a try as an ally. You still get a bunch of beefy melee guys, but they're more mobile (due to Raiders and/or webway) and cost less. I have an unhealthy fascination with DE Covens.

The Ranged Support Cadre is a winner by me. Anything that lets you field that volume of Broadsides has to be good, right? I've used it several times and was pleased with the results. Keeping your Pathfinders motionless is a bit of a pain, but the formation does allow you to move around with your Broadsides with minimal penalty. One marker hit gets their BS back to normal. It's nice to see some of the other non-Riptide formations getting some use!

Also, a shout out for the Crisis bomb. I knew it had to make an appearance eventually. I'm a bit surprised he isn't rolling with a Stormsurge, though. I guess opposing Wraithknights are just going to be ignored?

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I can't speak to Sean, but on the East Coast i've been seeing Reece's netlist (Double Storm-surge FSE CAD + Riptide wing) showing up at top tables surprisingly often again. It seemed to have gone out of vogue for a while, and then boom... I think two people ran it at Goldensprue this past weekend, and elsewhere.

I was at the Goldensprue, it was a great event. Only one guy ran the 'Frankie' list straight off the net. I talked with him quite a bit, he was a former FLGS owner, who had just acquired the whole army from someone getting out of the hobby. The Riptide Wing was splashed into at least 4 lists.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
The most recent GT near me was Goldensprue this last weekend, and friends who attended told me it was a third really fun, or personally crafted lists, and then just a bunch of clone armies pulled from other recent GTs. That just feels so very dull to me as I imagine its always about just guessing and beating the current "meta" at the list-building level, and less-so good generalship at the table.

That ratio seems off. The whole local scene (about 20-25) were there showing off weird lists, lots of hobby progress and 'fluff' lists with some teeth added. The rest were a hodge-podge of competitive/semi-competitive and some Netlist-with-a-Twist entries. The Skavenguard list was hysterical, right down to the smashed open crates of rats for Drop Pods. This event has historically had multiple hobby/sportsmaship/overall prizes, and this year was no different. The other thing that made the event refreshing was that the second day was a Friendly event if you were not in the running for the top of the GT. You could keep playing in the competitive bracket, if you wanted too, but the Friendly was where the fun was. It was a different format than the GT: 1,500 points with literally no restrictions (even Unbound was kosher). There were no points for winning, and you were warned ahead of time that 'unfun' lists would be publicly shamed. That was a non-factor, because everyone I played and watched brought a fun, themed list. The vibe was totally laid back, and allowed you to watch the top 8 slug it out for the win, while still getting a to play yourself. It was a great event, and made me want to go to more 2-day tournaments, if others are as much fun as the Goldensprue!

 luke1705 wrote:
I'm especially interested to hear what Nayden is running because he typically makes Jancoran look like a netlister with his innovation.

He did run this at the Goldensprue:

All the top 8 lists are up on Loopy's Recap.

yup. that was the list. Not what one might call friendly. Lol. It's barely a Tau list also. Thats one thing that will never stop bugging me. The ITC attempts to introduce soem balance but lets be frank: ITC events are NOT as a rule friendly. I've seen the most absurd things at these events and i have learned to adapt to them. Adapting to a pandoras box is, however, somewhat of a daunting task. But the thing is, this list is not a Tau list. Clearly it isnt. Its an Eldar-kin list if anything but because theres A Riptide Wing in it, it gets to claim its Tau and indeed, it is FORCED to claim it is a Tayu list by the ITC.

The only possible way to address this obvious weirdness and return some semblance of normality to it is to say "hey in an 1850 army, 1200 points has to come from the parent Codex."

Short of that, people can play games with their standings with certain factions. Do I care at the ened of the day a whole bunch? Only insofar as it attacks my sense of order. it just doesnt make sense to call that a Tau list.


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MilkmanAl wrote:
I experimented early on with a Corpsethief as "support." It was definitely effective, but it kind of shoehorns you into a less dynamic play style. That said, it's definitely a chocolate/peanut butter kind of marriage. The CTC is obviously rock hard and will dissuade just about anything from charging directly at you. Meanwhile, Tau provide the range and mobility needed to support the CTC while they trudge along toward wherever they're planning to bash heads. That said, I prefer running mostly Tau, so a ~700pt ally investment is a bit much.

As an aside, I plan to give a Grotesquerie a try as an ally. You still get a bunch of beefy melee guys, but they're more mobile (due to Raiders and/or webway) and cost less. I have an unhealthy fascination with DE Covens.

The Ranged Support Cadre is a winner by me. Anything that lets you field that volume of Broadsides has to be good, right? I've used it several times and was pleased with the results. Keeping your Pathfinders motionless is a bit of a pain, but the formation does allow you to move around with your Broadsides with minimal penalty. One marker hit gets their BS back to normal. It's nice to see some of the other non-Riptide formations getting some use!

Also, a shout out for the Crisis bomb. I knew it had to make an appearance eventually. I'm a bit surprised he isn't rolling with a Stormsurge, though. I guess opposing Wraithknights are just going to be ignored?

The Grotesqueris is a lot of win. A lot.

The Ranged Support Cadre is good. I think that it is overlooked because generally the preference is the Drone Net.

Okay guys, I'm going to push a list I posted previously to another level. I've always enjoyed the concept of hyper-agressive lists, so I've been toying around with ways to be mobile and in your opponent's face immediately. One option I like a lot is basically an adaptation of one of the Breacher lists I proposed earlier that more or less subs in a Grotesquerie in Raiders for a Stormsurge. That way, you get some beef to keep your Breachers in the fight while Y'Vahras rock everything else. Wraithknights will be more of an issue without D missiles, but Grotesques should be able to instant death them down if really necessary. I'm not sure the strategy will work without a strong melee presence, hence the Grotesquerie. Wraiths, Wulfen, and Fleshhounds are all speedy options that are easily obtainable via single formations without dropping an unreasonable amount of points. Any thoughts on how that would perform? It's definitely a lot different than most people expect Tau to work.

Just finished a tournament at my FLGS and played a game against genestealers. Good God! Having never played against them and only heard about some of their shenanigans I had a really rough turn 2. He had a bunch of small units shoot me in their "deployment" phase and then in their shooting phase, iirc, and then assaulted me! Lost my OSC to it and a riptide on like turn 2! And then the little buggers ran off into ongoing reserves and did it all over again! Anyone looking at tactics against these guys? The best I could come up with was bubble wrap with fire warriors or kroot maybe and form a huge circle around the big suits.

 necron99 wrote:
Just finished a tournament at my FLGS and played a game against genestealers. Good God! Having never played against them and only heard about some of their shenanigans I had a really rough turn 2. He had a bunch of small units shoot me in their "deployment" phase and then in their shooting phase, iirc, and then assaulted me! Lost my OSC to it and a riptide on like turn 2! And then the little buggers ran off into ongoing reserves and did it all over again! Anyone looking at tactics against these guys? The best I could come up with was bubble wrap with fire warriors or kroot maybe and form a huge circle around the big suits.

I would think that Supporting Fire would be your friend here, but I guess if everything is getting charged it would overwhelm even Tau's overwatch. I would think castling up your stuff close together and bubble wrapping with cheap troops (like Kroot) would work, but it would surrender board control to your opponent.