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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/14081655/missouri-tigers-coach-gary-pinkel-says-players-coaches-united-racial-incidents


Basically, the black football players at U. of Missouri have announced that they will not play football until university president resigns and school "fixes" racial problems...


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"A Swastika was drawn on a dorm room wall"
And what is the president supposed to do about that? Or about a racially charged attack? All he can do is condemn the stuff.
In all likelyhood, the students will likely loose any scholarship they have. The School is not gonna replace a president for this.

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So they're angry that the University President didn't immediately comment on some racial heckling? That seems a little extreme, is there more info on why there is some hatred for the administration? A week doesn't seem that long to wait for some official statement. Maybe on the Swastika, but the verbal insult seems pretty minor. I could see it easily taking a week for that even to filter its way onto the presidents desk. Its not like he knows or can control everything that goes on on campus.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
So they're angry that the University President didn't immediately comment on some racial heckling? That seems a little extreme, is there more info on why there is some hatred for the administration? A week doesn't seem that long to wait for some official statement. Maybe on the Swastika, but the verbal insult seems pretty minor. I could see it easily taking a week for that even to filter its way onto the presidents desk. Its not like he knows or can control everything that goes on on campus.



Well, when I looked up further info, according to USA Today, the poo-swastika was merely the "most recent" of a number of racial incidents that have happened since school started this year. And that wasn't in a dorm room, but apparently a common/public area of a dorm building.
   
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Hmm, maybe the President was just like "Oh great, not another incident" *grumble grumble and it took a while for it to get typed up and sent out.

I'd get pretty annoyed if that kept happening and I had to keep writing statements condemning them. Not like he can say anything new. Only so many ways you can say "this is bad and people shouldn't do this".

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 Grey Templar wrote:
Hmm, maybe the President was just like "Oh great, not another incident" *grumble grumble and it took a while for it to get typed up and sent out.

I'd get pretty annoyed if that kept happening and I had to keep writing statements condemning them. Not like he can say anything new. Only so many ways you can say "this is bad and people shouldn't do this".

TBH he probably doesnt even type it, but his secretary. He probably even has generic letters for it.
Its like how if you turn 100 and tell the white house you get a letter from the president congratulating you. it isnt even him.

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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/14081655/missouri-tigers-coach-gary-pinkel-says-players-coaches-united-racial-incidents


Basically, the black football players at U. of Missouri have announced that they will not play football until university president resigns and school "fixes" racial problems...


Any thoughts on what will happen, how this will play out?


I think that might affect any of the participants who are there on a sports based scholarship, which is actually a huge mechanism for social mobility in the SEC and South writ-large. Not good.


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 Grey Templar wrote:
So they're angry that the University President didn't immediately comment on some racial heckling?


My college sends out same day notifications on "hate crime" reports from the local and campus cops. Its annoying, but easy enough to accomplish. I wish the same degree of attention were paid to assaults that occur on campus, to be totally honest.

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Well yeah, a notification that X happened. I think what they're angry about is that there wasn't an immediate statement condemning the incidents, its not about notifying students, its about them wanting the administration to always be punctual in condemning events. Which if that is the case seems unreasonable.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
Well yeah, a notification that X happened. I think what they're angry about is that there wasn't an immediate statement condemning the incidents, its not about notifying students, its about them wanting the administration to always be punctual in condemning events. Which if that is the case seems unreasonable.


Perhaps I'm reading a bit into this, but with these same articles tending to mention a grad student conducting a hunger strike, this isn't so much "they aren't condeming things" as it is "they're condemning things with their words, but ain't doing gak to actually fix it so that it isn't an actual problem"


However, I do agree with you that... there doesn't seem to be much more an administration can do aside from allowing LEOs full access to conduct their investigations and to continue to condemn the actions and foster an environment where racial equality is condoned.
   
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Thats exactly what it reads like to me. People wrongly thinking some particular person actually can fix a problem and then getting mad when it isn't fixed, or isn't fixed fast enough. And do they really think him resigning is going to change anything? The new president is going to take a while to find and settle into his office, let alone begin even thinking about fixing anything. Its just going to cause chaos for no reason.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
Well yeah, a notification that X happened. I think what they're angry about is that there wasn't an immediate statement condemning the incidents, its not about notifying students, its about them wanting the administration to always be punctual in condemning events. Which if that is the case seems unreasonable.

This is in Columbia, Missouri (small college town).

I'm in St. Louis... and I'm still not sure what's going on. Something isn't adding up.

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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/black-football-players-striking-at-missouri-in-protest-of-administration-032149647.html

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Do they even know if the hecklers in the pickup were students? Could have just been some racist hicks driving by. I would also hardly call that plus a swastika as evidence of racism in the system at the school. Seems more like a couple racists students at worst. Its not like we can police peoples thoughts and beliefs either. I think they're making some unreasonable demands and pointing their ire in completely the wrong direction.

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I read all that before... this seems bigger than racial slurs being thrown about.

I'm reaching out to my Mizzou grads to see what's up. Something "big" happened and not being picked up.


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Edit: folks are telling me that *this* is the main reason why it's intense:
http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2015/8/26/start-movement-graduate-students-walk-out/

Now... everyone is bringing up grieviences up. Read up that links... it goes downhill there.

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 whembly wrote:
I read all that before... this seems bigger than racial slurs being thrown about.

I'm reaching out to my Mizzou grads to see what's up. Something "big" happened and not being picked up.


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Edit: folks are telling me that *this* is the main reason why it's intense:
http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2015/8/26/start-movement-graduate-students-walk-out/

Now... everyone is bringing up grieviences up. Read up that links... it goes downhill there.
Huh...that's ah...certainly a list of demands.

While I ordinarily count myself more amongst the pinko may-day celebrating crowd, and I'm certainly sympathetic to a some of their points, as a whole, the list comes off as, well, entitled, particularly the fee & tuition waivers.

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Lol whut, I would say maybe 2 of those demands are even approaching reasonable. You want free tuition if you work for the university? Don't let the door hit you on the way out champ.

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Lol whut, I would say maybe 2 of those demands are even approaching reasonable. You want free tuition if you work for the university? Don't let the door hit you on the way out champ.

At that site guys, keep reading the articles on that timeline tool. It goes downhill.

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 whembly wrote:
I read all that before... this seems bigger than racial slurs being thrown about.

I'm reaching out to my Mizzou grads to see what's up. Something "big" happened and not being picked up.


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Edit: folks are telling me that *this* is the main reason why it's intense:
http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2015/8/26/start-movement-graduate-students-walk-out/

Now... everyone is bringing up grieviences up. Read up that links... it goes downhill there.


Taking a page from Saul Alinski I see.

The grad students at my school tried this one, but they lost a lot of people's attention when they started heavily campaigning to do away with "all gendered bathrooms on campus."

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I don't know. It sounds like the Graduate students have had a few issues with the school for awhile, and the loss of health coverage was just the last straw. Their demands are not unreasonable, and it sounds like they were previously getting most of those things but that for various reasons (that fairly seem partially out of the universities control) have been lost. The last line of the linked article by Whembly though makes it seem like this isn't some raving mob situation. Some students are upset but the school sounds amicable to working with them and them with the school.

Not sure it's something worth reporting and honestly unrelated to the OP article outside of both happening on the same campus.

As to the OP, I think the player has a valid point. As someone who experience similar issues in college I sympathize. College administrations love downplaying and pretending crazy bad gak doesn't happen. They send out notifications about all kinds of things, but if some is sexually assaulted, mugged, or harassed, the campus and their crony campus cops play a game of cover up. They prioritize the image of the school over the needs of students and that's what it sounds like the OP article is about.

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Wolfe said the majority of items Concerned Student 1950 listed in its demands will be included in the school's diversity and inclusion plan.


Why do I get the feeling that this plan is anything but...

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 whembly wrote:
I read all that before... this seems bigger than racial slurs being thrown about.

I'm reaching out to my Mizzou grads to see what's up. Something "big" happened and not being picked up.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Edit: folks are telling me that *this* is the main reason why it's intense:
http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2015/8/26/start-movement-graduate-students-walk-out/

Now... everyone is bringing up grieviences up. Read up that links... it goes downhill there.

That seems a separate issue to the football player protests. How many grad students are on the team?



http://www.columbiamissourian.com/news/higher_education/racial-climate-at-mu-a-timeline-of-incidents-to-date/article_0c96f986-84c6-11e5-a38f-2bd0aab0bf74.html


Sept. 12: Missouri Students Association president Payton Head posts about a racial slur directed at him.
Payton Head, MU senior and president of MSA, renewed the dialogue about racism and the racial climate on campus after publishing a Facebook post about his first-hand experience with racism. The night before, Head said he was walking around campus when the passenger of a pickup repeatedly shouted the “N-word” at him.

Head’s statement went viral on social media, and many people shared their support of Head and frustration with MU’s response, or lack thereof, to his post.

“I’d had experience with racism before, like microaggressions, but that was the first time I’d experienced in-your-face racism,” Head told a Missourian reporter.

Oct. 5: Legion of Black Collegians members are the targets of racial slurs by a man on campus.
Another instance of racism brought the racial climate on campus again to the attention of students and administrators.

The Legion of Black Collegians shared a letter on social media describing the group's encounter with overt racism the night before. The group was rehearsing for a performance at Traditions Plaza when a “young man” talking on his cellphone walked up to the group. After being politely and repeatedly asked to leave, the man walked away but referenced LBC members using racial slurs.

That same day, MU Chancellor R. Bowen Loftin responded with a post of his own, acknowledging and condemning racism at MU.

“There was a silence that fell over us all, almost in disbelief that this racial slur in particular was used in our vicinity,” Naomi Collier, president of MU’s NAACP chapter and member of the LBC’s activities committee, wrote in the letter.

Oct. 8: Loftin announces mandatory online diversity training for faculty, staff and students, which is met with widespread skepticism.
The training came after a number of accounts of overt racism experience by students on campus, but was met with skepticism and suspicion.

Jonathan Butler, MU graduate student and campus activist, wrote a letter to Loftin saying the training was “a step in the right direction, but it is not enough.”

Oct. 10: Members of Concerned Student 1950 protest during the MU Homecoming Parade, blocking a car carrying UM System President Tim Wolfe.
Concerned Student 1950 refers to the year African-American students were first admitted to MU. The group targeted Wolfe’s car during Homecoming to send the message that students will not be ignored by administrators on the issue of discrimination on campus.

“We’ve sent emails, we’ve sent tweets, we’ve messaged but we’ve gotten no response back from the upper officials at Mizzou to really make change on this campus,” Butler said afterward.

The protesters blocked the street and Wolfe’s car for about 15 minutes, chanting and making speeches, until they were dispersed by police. Some students watching the parade also joined in on the protest in support. No protesters were arrested for disturbing the parade.

“I joined in the line because white silence is compliance, like what they were yelling in the Student Center. I feel like I can’t just sit by and watch. It’s not my fight, but I support it,” MU undergraduate Breanne LoPresti told a reporter.

Oct. 21: Concerned Student 1950 issues a statement of demands, including a formal apology from Wolfe and his removal from office.
Ten days after the Homecoming protest, the group issued the statement with eight demands, including enforcement of mandatory racial awareness and inclusion training for all faculty, staff and students; an increase in the percentage of black faculty and staff; and an increase in funding to hire mental health professionals for the MU Counseling Center, particularly those of color; and more staff for social justice centers on campus.

A number of groups showed their support for the sentiment, including the Department of Black Studies, the Department of Classical Studies and the School of Health Professions.

Oct. 24: A swastika using human feces is drawn on a bathroom wall in MU's Gateway Hall
The vandalism, reported by the Residence Halls Association, was described as "an act of hate." The vandalism was reported immediately to the MU Police Department and an investigation initiated, but no one has been apprehended to date.

Oct. 27: Concerned Student 1950 meets with Wolfe, but no issues are resolved.
Members of the group said Wolfe did not agree to any of the demands they sent to him the previous week. In the meeting, Wolfe said he cared for black students at MU but was "'not completely' aware of systemic racism, sexism, and patriarchy on campus," according to a statement by Concerned Student 1950.

Morning of Nov. 2: Jonathan Butler announces he will go on a hunger strike until Wolfe is removed from office.
Butler said his decision was made a few days after student protesters interrupted the Homecoming Parade in October.

To prepare for the strike, he reduced his food intake and researched how his body would react. He updated his will and spoke to a physician.

As of Friday, Butler had gone five days without food.

Butler said the demand for Wolfe’s removal from office was made because of the president's failure to respond sincerely and actively to student concerns about discrimination on campus. Butler has continued his daily life during the strike, working and attending his classes.

“During this hunger strike, I will not consume any food or nutritional sustenance at the expense of my health until either Tim Wolfe is removed from office or my internal organs fail and my life is lost," Butler wrote in a letter to the UM System Board of Directors.

Evening of Nov. 2: Students camp on Carnahan Quadrangle in support of the hunger strike and Wolfe's removal from office.
One Concerned Student 1950 representative said student activists will stay until the semester ends in December, if that's what it takes.

Nov. 3: Concerned Student 1950 and supporters meet with Wolfe and Loftin near University Hall to discuss race relations and discrimination.
The Forum on Graduate Rights, an activist group dedicated to improving the state of graduate student employees at MU, called for the gathering and made a statement supporting Jonathan Butler and his hunger strike.

“JB (Butler) is our colleague, our fellow activist and our friend,” said Eric Scott, co-chair of the Coalition of Graduate Workers, a part of the Forum on Graduate Rights. “We want him to live a happy and healthy life, and you (Wolfe) have the power to resolve this, and we urge you to use it.”

Wolfe responded to students’ comments by saying racism is unacceptable, he is committed to combating it on campus and his actions will support his words. Student activists were not convinced and continued to press Wolfe for answers. Loftin did not make a statement, but was present for the duration of the meeting.

Evening of Nov. 3: Concerned Student 1950 decides to boycott MU services until Wolfe is removed from office.
The boycott was announced Wednesday and officially began Thursday. The group is using the hashtag #BoycottUM to promote the boycott of merchandise, retail dining services and ticketed events. The group began using a website called Change.org to hold a petition to remove Wolfe from office.

“We are boycotting spending money at the Student Center, we are boycotting football games — anything that brings the university extra money, until everything is resolved. If you can’t listen to our voices, you can’t have our dollars," said Storm Ervin, Concerned Student 1950 representative, in an interview.

Nov. 5: Concerned Student 1950 holds a demonstration on campus before the MU-Mississippi State football game.
About 200 members and supporters of Concerned Student 1950 participated in the demonstration, marching through campus and chanting “Join us in the revolution." Participants were urged to identify themselves only as “Concerned Student.” At Speaker's Circle, the group reiterated its demand for UM System President Tim Wolfe’s removal.

The same day, Payton Head posted on Twitter a slideshow of images of racist comments he said were made by MU students, and Chancellor Loftin responded: "Sad to see more hate speech hiding behind anonymity. Racism, bias, discrimination have no place here."

Evening of Nov. 5: Students reschedule a football game protest for Monday, citing security reasons.
Members of Concerned Student 1950 planned to hold the protest after Missouri’s football game Thursday night. Nearly 100 protesters gathered in the basement of the MU Student Center that night, but decided the circumstances — mixing with “drunk white people” after the Tigers’ loss — could lead to an unsafe protest. Details about Monday's protest have not been announced.

Nov. 6: Wolfe issues an apology for his action and inaction during the Homecoming protest.
In the statement, he said he was very concerned for Jonathan Butler's health and acknowledged that racism at the university exists and is unacceptable.

"I regret my reaction at the MU homecoming parade when the ConcernedStudent1950 group approached my car," the statement read. "I am sorry, and my apology is long overdue. My behavior seemed like I did not care. That was not my intention. I was caught off guard in that moment. Nonetheless, had I gotten out of the car to acknowledge the students and talk with them perhaps we wouldn’t be where we are today."

"I am asking us to move forward in addressing the racism that exists at our university — and it does exist. Together we must rise to the challenge of combatting racism, injustice, and intolerance."

Evening of Nov. 6: Protesters confront Wolfe in Kansas City
Student protesters with the group Concerned Student 1950 from both MU and the University of Missouri Kansas City met Wolfe outside a fundraiser at the Kauffman Center for the Performing Arts in Kansas City. One student released a video in which the UM System president responds to the question, "Tim Wolfe, what do you think systematic oppression is?"

Wolfe says, "It's — systematic oppression is because you don't believe that you have the equal opportunity for success — "

The crowd of students reacts negatively, and the chatter is mostly inaudible.

Someone in the crowd yells, "Did you just blame us for systematic oppression, Tim Wolfe? Did you just blame black students —" before the video cuts off.

Nov. 7: Concerned Student 1950 holds demonstration in front of MU prospective students
A group of students holds a "mock tour" of campus featuring a presentation on the recent history of racism on campus. protesters marched through dining halls and campus hubs on Meet Mizzou Day, a large campus recruiting event.

The MU Tour Team was warned about the possibility of protests in the wake of the video that surfaced the previous evening.

Nov. 7: Black MU football players plan to boycott
"We will no longer participate in any football related activities until President Tim Wolfe resigns or is removed due to his negligence toward marginalized students' experiences," the players announced in a tweet sent from the Legion of Black Collegians account.

Sixty of the 124 players on the MU football team are black, but it was unclear as of Saturday night how many of the players agreed to participate in the boycott.

Nov. 8: MU football team unites behind black athletes; officials, others issue statements
Football coach Gary Pinkel tweeted a photograph Sunday morning showing him and nearly 100 players and assistant coaches — black and white — at the team's training complex. "The Mizzou Family stands as one," the tweet read. "We are united. We are behind our players. #ConcernedStudent1950 GP"

UM System President Tim Wolfe issued a statement Sunday morning expressing hope that all sides could get together and resolve the matter. He also said he was dedicated to ongoing dialogue. Jonathan Butler tweeted almost immediately that he was "extremely unsatisfied and (the president) has no true plan for change."

 
   
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 Grey Templar wrote:
Lol whut, I would say maybe 2 of those demands are even approaching reasonable. You want free tuition if you work for the university? Don't let the door hit you on the way out champ.


Well, to be fair, most graduate students with graduate assistantships at other universities (i.e., Teaching Assistants/Instructors, Research Assistants, etc.) don't pay tuition and have health insurance plans through the university. So that's not an unreasonable request at all. Graduate students with assistantships are university employees just as much as they are students, and many universities use them as full-fledged instructors of record for first and second year classes. Quite frankly, if they are having graduate students serve as TAs and research assistants and aren't giving them tuition remission, that's pretty bad.

When I was first considering going to grad school, the best advice one of my professors gave me was, "If the school you want to go to isn't going to give you tuition remission and pay you to go to grad school, you need to find a school that will." That's also the advice I gave to any of my students who were interested in going to grad school as well.

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I assume this is gonna go the same way as most other protests.
Nowhere.

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I saw a post about some going on a hunger strike. I always love those. "You mean you're going to 'punish' me by hurting yourself? Go nuts, and enjoy your upcoming Darwin Award".

I find any strike that is designed to make the striker suffer to teach a lesson to the person/people the strike is against an absolutely idiotic thing.

I'm not saying being upset at racist acts is bad. They should be offended. But hunger strikes are asinine.

Then again, thanksgiving is coming. And people like to starve themselves beforehand. Maybe this was an inside job to get people ready for the holiday.

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I find any strike that is designed to make the striker suffer to teach a lesson to the person/people the strike is against an absolutely idiotic thing.


I don't know. Setting yourself on fire sends a pretty strong message.

   
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Yup. That the world needs more s'mores!!

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Lol whut, I would say maybe 2 of those demands are even approaching reasonable. You want free tuition if you work for the university? Don't let the door hit you on the way out champ.


Well, to be fair, most graduate students with graduate assistantships as other universities (i.e., Teaching Assistants/Instructors, Research Assistants, etc.) don't pay tuition and have health insurance plans through the university. So that's not an unreasonable request at all. Graduate students with assistantships are university employees just as much as they are students, and many universities use them as full-fledged instructors of record for first and second year classes. Quite frankly, if they are having graduate students serve as TAs and research assistants and aren't giving them tuition remission, that's pretty bad.

When I was first considering going to grad school, the best advice one of my professors gave me was, "If the school you want to go to isn't going to give you tuition remission and pay you to go to grad school, you need to find a school that will." That's also the advice I gave to any of my students who were interested in going to grad school as well.

That tends to be highly dependent on the type of graduate work. If you're a Physics grad student, then you're doing a lot of time setting up lab experiments, operating complex machinery, etc, and then such things make sense. Not for all areas of study however.

There's also often a limited number of assistantships available that doesn't match the number of spots they have for grad students. They may only need 5 people to set up lab experiments, but may have room for 20 grad students.

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This whole thing strikes me as a bunch of special snowflakes doing what special snowflakes do and freaking out about being insulted (despite the fact that its something everyone, including heterosexual white males go through. I know, it's so hard to grasp that you aren't being discriminated against, especially when we regularly see average joes getting insulted on a daily basis). They're basically saying "I'm so special that anybody doing anything bad against me or people like me is auto-magically discriminating against every characteristic that I have."

To quote a fictional character... "Let's make this fun!"
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