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 judgedoug wrote:
Just to add information:

all metal castings equipment was destroyed, all metal casting facilities abandoned. The last metal figure was cast in late 2011. Most of the molds of sculpts of metal items that did not transition to Finecast have been destroyed, and are gone, forever. And ever.

This would imply any new specialist games would be entirely plastic, or entirely new sculpts for Finecast.

GW still sell a (small) number of metal models on their website - I doubt that all of these have been in stock since 2011 (although I am happy to be contradicted).

Not sure about the metal comment. I am sure they did this for the models that they replaced with finecast, but not their current metal models they are still producing.

Some of the lotr stuff I bought (including the troll character buhrder) were out of stock and then brought back. They are metal and I was told by gw that he was not oop and they were making more. Well they did and I bought one, within the past few months!

Even if the old equipment is gone, it doesn't mean they don't have old metal masters in a warehouse somewhere, that could be easily used to create resin molds.

And couldn't they start with the old plastics? Like the BFG ships? And didn't Mordheim just come with sprues for what became the Empire free companies? Or, games like Mordheim could easily include minis from the current range, just build your warband out of 10 or so different minis from your favorite army.

richred_uk wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Just to add information:

all metal castings equipment was destroyed, all metal casting facilities abandoned. The last metal figure was cast in late 2011. Most of the molds of sculpts of metal items that did not transition to Finecast have been destroyed, and are gone, forever. And ever.

This would imply any new specialist games would be entirely plastic, or entirely new sculpts for Finecast.

GW still sell a (small) number of metal models on their website - I doubt that all of these have been in stock since 2011 (although I am happy to be contradicted).

"We haven't stocked metal miniatures in stores since the release of Citadel Finecast (May/ June 2011), so the only metal miniatures that will be at stores will be either special orders or old stock; our own stores would have sent metal product back in 2011, but independent retailers have more control over their stock."
Can post screenshot of conversation if you'd like.

This thread grows fast, hope it hasnt been posted already. Hastings on Warseer is dropping the info bomb now

AFAIK the scope is pretty big, just don't be expecting things overnight, my understanding is we are still a few months out from seeing anything yet. Def full blown epic armies, not sure about how much will be plastic and how much will be resin. I expect rules to be updated where needed. Do not expect to see old sculpts unless they are classics.

I have not heard warmaster discussed, however do not discount it, this is currently in it's infancy. The HH box seems to be well received and not too bad of a price point when you compare the equivalent cost of the minis and the fact there is also a standalone game in there. I don't expect any of it will be "cheap" but it will be more accessible. As I understand it Epic & BB are quite high up the list of priorities.

Originally Posted by BramGaunt
So I'm guessing it will be different from what we are expecting. What we are expecting is a return to how 'specialist games' were run, but what we are probably getting is a branch akin to Fantasy Flight Games that produces GW License board games that double as miniature games.

Indeed, pretty much spot on mate :-)

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?414985-Specialist-Games-quot-Reboot-quot&s=aefdabe3ed174b9d3028ed9f7a87fa95&p=7566110&viewfull=1#post7566110

 455_PWR wrote:
Not sure about the metal comment. I am sure they did this for the models that they replaced with finecast, but not their current metal models they are still producing.

Some of the lotr stuff I bought (including the troll character buhrder) were out of stock and then brought back. They are metal and I was told by gw that he was not oop and they were making more. Well they did and I bought one, within the past few months!

This is due to stock reshuffling. When GW US warehouse runs out of an item, it automatically requests stock from GW UK. If GW UK has any, they send some on a boat. 3-4 weeks later, GW US adds them to their stock. If none are available, the item is removed from the webstore.
One way to check to see if a GW LotR model is going out of print is to see if it's No Longer Available on GWUK - if there's stock in GWUS, buy as many as you can (this is why I now have seven Ruins of Osgiliath)

 judgedoug wrote:

richred_uk wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Just to add information:

all metal castings equipment was destroyed, all metal casting facilities abandoned. The last metal figure was cast in late 2011. Most of the molds of sculpts of metal items that did not transition to Finecast have been destroyed, and are gone, forever. And ever.

This would imply any new specialist games would be entirely plastic, or entirely new sculpts for Finecast.

GW still sell a (small) number of metal models on their website - I doubt that all of these have been in stock since 2011 (although I am happy to be contradicted).

"We haven't stocked metal miniatures in stores since the release of Citadel Finecast (May/ June 2011), so the only metal miniatures that will be at stores will be either special orders or old stock; our own stores would have sent metal product back in 2011, but independent retailers have more control over their stock."
Can post screenshot of conversation if you'd like.

Key words there being "in stores" they are selling many metal figures via the website (not in stores).

Sadly, this is 2 years too late. If they would have given us GW addicts a taste 2 years ago before the KS explosion, many of us would have kept to the drug of choice. Now we have new drugs and the appeal of re-releasing old products holds minimal appeal.

I would have thrown down a ton on a new plastic Bloodbowl, and I still may, but since that time other games have filled that hole in my gaming experience and models I enjoy better.

It is still interesting news.

richred_uk wrote:
Key words there being "in stores" they are selling many metal figures via the website (not in stores).

This is due to stock reshuffling. When GW US warehouse runs out of an item, it automatically requests stock from GW UK. If GW UK has any, they send some on a boat. 3-4 weeks later, GW US adds them to their stock. If none are available, the item is removed from the webstore.
One way to check to see if a GW LotR model is going out of print is to see if it's No Longer Available on GWUK - if there's stock in GWUS, buy as many as you can (this is why I now have seven Ruins of Osgiliath)

Note that GW not only retires metal models as stock runs out, they have retired finecast (Foot Knights of Dol Amroth) as well as plastics (Ruins of Osgiliath)

Warhams-77 wrote:
This thread grows fast, hope it hasnt been posted already. Hastings on Warseer is dropping the info bomb now

AFAIK the scope is pretty big, just don't be expecting things overnight, my understanding is we are still a few months out from seeing anything yet. Def full blown epic armies, not sure about how much will be plastic and how much will be resin. I expect rules to be updated where needed. Do not expect to see old sculpts unless they are classics.

I have not heard warmaster discussed, however do not discount it, this is currently in it's infancy. The HH box seems to be well received and not too bad of a price point when you compare the equivalent cost of the minis and the fact there is also a standalone game in there. I don't expect any of it will be "cheap" but it will be more accessible. As I understand it Epic & BB are quite high up the list of priorities.

One of the really interesting things in that thread is that he keeps saying it's "not GW." And that this new entity was behind the HH game.

So...are we talking about a company like FFG being involved here?

"Def full blown epic armies" Hastings - Warseer

YES!


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@Gorgon Sounds to me it will be Forgeworld + more designers (those who made the board games of late) + access to GW's plastic production facility

 judgedoug wrote:

richred_uk wrote:
Key words there being "in stores" they are selling many metal figures via the website (not in stores).

This is due to stock reshuffling. When GW US warehouse runs out of an item, it automatically requests stock from GW UK. If GW UK has any, they send some on a boat. 3-4 weeks later, GW US adds them to their stock. If none are available, the item is removed from the webstore.
One way to check to see if a GW LotR model is going out of print is to see if it's No Longer Available on GWUK - if there's stock in GWUS, buy as many as you can (this is why I now have seven Ruins of Osgiliath)

Note that GW not only retires metal models as stock runs out, they have retired finecast (Foot Knights of Dol Amroth) as well as plastics (Ruins of Osgiliath)

Fair play as a belief - personally I don't believe that they are still selling items that they have held in stock for 4 years plus - I think they would have scrapped them and removed the SKU's. I don't say I know that they are producing new stock in metal, but I do believe that they are. Without someone visiting Lenton, we're all just speculating though.

So, It's less a relaunch of specialist games and more a new division headed by FW designers that will release Horus Heresy style games - One-off box games based on properties still owned.

 judgedoug wrote:

This would imply any new specialist games would be entirely plastic, or entirely new sculpts for Finecast.

FW did make a fair bit of resin stuff for Epic and Aeronautica, I would presume that the masters for them would still be around.

 judgedoug wrote:
So, It's less a relaunch of specialist games and more a new division headed by FW designers that will release Horus Heresy style games - One-off box games based on properties still owned.

The Jervis Johnson Game Series, for those old enough to remember them

Warhams-77 wrote:
"Def full blown epic armies" Hastings - Warseer

YES!


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@Gorgon Sounds to me it will be Forgeworld + more designers (those who made the board games of late) + access to GW's plastic production facility

Yeah, I just read that last post. Basically they're setting up an FFG in house.

Hastings

When I said Bram was spot on I was referring to the fact that SG will not be how it used to be. This team will almost be like a FFG within FW producing our old favourites, not everything is a board game, imagine other classic tabletop games getting an update, doesn't mean they have to change into a boardgame format. Specialist Games ARE coming back, only with a slightly different name with an updated product and not under the direct (incompetent) control of GW.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?414985-Specialist-Games-quot-Reboot-quot&p=7566132&viewfull=1#post7566132


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Awesome

richred_uk wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

richred_uk wrote:
Key words there being "in stores" they are selling many metal figures via the website (not in stores).

This is due to stock reshuffling. When GW US warehouse runs out of an item, it automatically requests stock from GW UK. If GW UK has any, they send some on a boat. 3-4 weeks later, GW US adds them to their stock. If none are available, the item is removed from the webstore.
One way to check to see if a GW LotR model is going out of print is to see if it's No Longer Available on GWUK - if there's stock in GWUS, buy as many as you can (this is why I now have seven Ruins of Osgiliath)

Note that GW not only retires metal models as stock runs out, they have retired finecast (Foot Knights of Dol Amroth) as well as plastics (Ruins of Osgiliath)

Fair play as a belief - personally I don't believe that they are still selling items that they have held in stock for 4 years plus - I think they would have scrapped them and removed the SKU's. I don't say I know that they are producing new stock in metal, but I do believe that they are. Without someone visiting Lenton, we're all just speculating though.

Fair play as fact. Sorry, buddy. Note that almost everything they have held in stock for 4 years plus is out of stock. Which, of course, have been scrapped and SKUs removed. There's very few metal models left in the GW webstore; the majority of the produced plastics are and the majority of the produced Finecast still is (though there are exceptions). The majority of the metal models produced are long, long out of print.
I assume you're unaware of the secondary market for OOP LOTR miniatures which, items like Gandalf the Grey mounted fetch $100, and figures that were still still available as recently as a month ago are now selling for twice their price.

From what I'm reading, these will be under the control of the Forgeworld team which is a massively wonderful thing and not the main GW studio.

Also: Epic early on? Good god yes. Dare I say - 6mm Adeptus Titanicus using the modern models in plastic. Heaven...

 zedmeister wrote:
From what I'm reading, these will be under the control of the Forgeworld team which is a massively wonderful thing and not the main GW studio.

This gives me hope.

 judgedoug wrote:

richred_uk wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

richred_uk wrote:
Key words there being "in stores" they are selling many metal figures via the website (not in stores).

This is due to stock reshuffling. When GW US warehouse runs out of an item, it automatically requests stock from GW UK. If GW UK has any, they send some on a boat. 3-4 weeks later, GW US adds them to their stock. If none are available, the item is removed from the webstore.
One way to check to see if a GW LotR model is going out of print is to see if it's No Longer Available on GWUK - if there's stock in GWUS, buy as many as you can (this is why I now have seven Ruins of Osgiliath)

Note that GW not only retires metal models as stock runs out, they have retired finecast (Foot Knights of Dol Amroth) as well as plastics (Ruins of Osgiliath)

Fair play as a belief - personally I don't believe that they are still selling items that they have held in stock for 4 years plus - I think they would have scrapped them and removed the SKU's. I don't say I know that they are producing new stock in metal, but I do believe that they are. Without someone visiting Lenton, we're all just speculating though.

Fair play as fact. Sorry, buddy. Note that almost everything they have held in stock for 4 years plus is out of stock. Which, of course, have been scrapped and SKUs removed. There's very few metal models left in the GW webstore; the majority of the produced plastics are and the majority of the produced Finecast still is (though there are exceptions). The majority of the metal models produced are long, long out of print.
I assume you're unaware of the secondary market for OOP LOTR miniatures which, items like Gandalf the Grey mounted fetch $100, and figures that were still still available as recently as a month ago are now selling for twice their price.

I do know about the market for OOP metal figures - it's where 90% plus of my hobby spend goes. (If you have and 80's Gothic Horror or Night Horrors, I'll pay about 10 - 20* the original retail for the ones I need )

I'm saying I do not believe that some of the following items are simply left over stock from 4 years ago - if they were that slow to sell, GW would have scrapped them, if they sold super fast they would be sold out:

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Famous-Familiars

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Animosity-Orcs - I'm pretty sure these went unavailable and then came back

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Champions-of-Chaos

I could produce more links, but it's getting off-topic and I hope you understand my point. As I say - without going up there and looking at their facilities, we don't *know* - your quote didn't say anything about production it talked about stocking policies, and I am drawing inferences from partial facts - let's agree to have different opinions?

Warhams-77 wrote:
Hastings

When I said Bram was spot on I was referring to the fact that SG will not be how it used to be. This team will almost be like a FFG within FW producing our old favourites, not everything is a board game, imagine other classic tabletop games getting an update, doesn't mean they have to change into a boardgame format. Specialist Games ARE coming back, only with a slightly different name with an updated product and not under the direct (incompetent) control of GW.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?414985-Specialist-Games-quot-Reboot-quot&p=7566132&viewfull=1#post7566132


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Awesome

Holy gak. So basically this is the best decision GW has made in many years, and it's one that will have a very positive effect on their standing in the community and, hopefully, their finances.

is this the real world
is this just fantasy

So, Epic 30K anyone?!

Well I'm tentatively excited. I'd love to see Epic and BFG again gain some traction locally so I could play them

UK confirmation, straight from the ceo, I didn't want to believe it, buts it's true.

 Azreal13 wrote:
So, Epic 30K anyone?!

It already exists

 Formosa wrote:
UK confirmation, straight from the ceo, I didn't want to believe it, buts it's true.

Wait... From Rountree?

 Azreal13 wrote:
So, Epic 30K anyone?!

Holly mother f.... Yeah, I can't wait.

So to conclude, Forgeworld is expanding into a new 'specialist Games', in which they're going to do the ongoing support for lesser ranges, releasing the occasional new thing in differerent formats, and if something sells well enough, they'll have the authority to get it turned into plastic.

Sounds like a solid business move, and one the gaming community can get behind.

 Formosa wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
So, Epic 30K anyone?!

Holly mother f.... Yeah, I can't wait.

Epic: 30k? 6mm Adeptus Titanicus? Battlefleet: Heresy? Aeronautica: Heresy?