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2015/11/23 22:21:07
Subject: Ignore Cover for being taller (MC)
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Purposeful Hammerhead Pilot
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 Happyjew wrote:Do you have an actual rule argument, or just "You're wrong."?
If you want an actual argument spend some time and read those threads. The onus is on you as 90% of people disagree with you.
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2015/11/23 22:23:01
Subject: Ignore Cover for being taller (MC)
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Actually as Fling and I have provided rules to support our arguments, the onus is on you to provide rules that dispute us. Or mark your posts as HYWPI.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2015/11/23 22:24:40
Subject: Ignore Cover for being taller (MC)
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Purposeful Hammerhead Pilot
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2015/11/23 22:27:59
Subject: Ignore Cover for being taller (MC)
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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This is quite sad. You don't have to be so angry that you lost a rules debate. Either accept it and move on. Silently leave the thread to hide your embarrassment. Or man up concede you got it wrong and move on with new found respect from me and others.
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2015/11/23 22:30:41
Subject: Ignore Cover for being taller (MC)
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Purposeful Hammerhead Pilot
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 FlingitNow wrote:This is quite sad. You don't have to be so angry that you lost a rules debate. Either accept it and move on. Silently leave the thread to hide your embarrassment. Or man up concede you got it wrong and move on with new found respect from me and others.
Sorry buddy, it is kind of laughable how much you are in denial.
I have provided all evidence necessary, including 9 separate discussion on the topic, all of which refute you. Sorry buddy, but I win
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2015/11/23 22:31:53
Subject: Ignore Cover for being taller (MC)
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Except you have not disproven that a model can have a cover save without being obscured.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2015/11/23 22:34:26
Subject: Ignore Cover for being taller (MC)
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Jinking Ravenwing Land Speeder Pilot
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Im sorry notredameguy, but consistent appeals to popular opinion are not a valid argument.
"In cover" is actually defined in the rulebook as being obscured. (Shooting phase, cover saves, first sentence)
So when a terrain datasheet gives you a cover save, it does not, in fact, mean you are "in cover"
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"If you wait a few months, they'll pick one of the worst codexes and they'll nerf almost everything, its an abstract sort of balance, but it's the sort of balance gw likes...  "
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2015/11/23 22:35:12
Subject: Ignore Cover for being taller (MC)
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Purposeful Hammerhead Pilot
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Happyjew wrote:Except you have not disproven that a model can have a cover save without being obscured.
It does not say it has to be obscured. It says that the 25% of the model needs to be blocked by terrain. It does not matter if it is in ruins or not. If the ruins do not block LOS by 25% or more you do not get a cover save
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2015/11/23 22:35:24
Subject: Ignore Cover for being taller (MC)
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Jinking Ravenwing Land Speeder Pilot
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notredameguy10 wrote: FlingitNow wrote:This is quite sad. You don't have to be so angry that you lost a rules debate. Either accept it and move on. Silently leave the thread to hide your embarrassment. Or man up concede you got it wrong and move on with new found respect from me and others.
Sorry buddy, it is kind of laughable how much you are in denial. Does your life stink that much that you need to feel like a keyboard warrior?
I have provided all evidence necessary, including 9 separate discussion on the topic, all of which refute you. Sorry buddy, but I win
Keep it civil
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"If you wait a few months, they'll pick one of the worst codexes and they'll nerf almost everything, its an abstract sort of balance, but it's the sort of balance gw likes... "
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2015/11/23 22:36:06
Subject: Ignore Cover for being taller (MC)
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2015/11/23 22:40:05
Subject: Ignore Cover for being taller (MC)
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Jinking Ravenwing Land Speeder Pilot
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And as far as RAI and hiwpi go, so do I.
We are taking a rule we think is obviously worded wrong and fixing it the way we think best.
Flingit is taking the rule at face value.
The problem is you cannot see it that way. You think we are the ones taking it at face value
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"If you wait a few months, they'll pick one of the worst codexes and they'll nerf almost everything, its an abstract sort of balance, but it's the sort of balance gw likes... "
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2015/11/23 22:48:54
Subject: Ignore Cover for being taller (MC)
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I think this has gone around in circles for long enough.
By RAW, FlingitNow seems to have it correct - vehicles don't count as being obscured just for being in terrain, but terrain that grants a cover save without caring if the model is obscured or not will bypass that rule. Whether this is intentional or the result of sloppy wording is anyone's guess.
For how to actually play it... as usual, discuss with your opponent if in doubt.
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