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MrDwhitey wrote: The presumption should be that while it's possible members of this guys church may be involved/related/whatever, assumption that it is the case is wrong.
Feel free to investigate possible links, but don't condemn until it's known.
Of course it's never the church with Christians. They never give someone a gun and tell them to go shoot a doctor. They just say how that doctor deserves to die and it sure would be nice if someone were to cap him, wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more.
So, you blame Islam as a religion for the attacks on 9/11 and in Paris?
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Verviedi wrote: @Sigvatr
Don't you dare try to make it seem that way. It's either pro-choice or anti-choice.
Yeah, no. It's a binary choice. You either choose to let the fetus live or you kill it. Anything else is opinion. If you have a problem with others calling a spade a spade, I suggest thinking about your very own convictions.
Alas, how about opening a pro-life / pro-death / abortion thread then? Not this thread's topic at all.
Verviedi wrote: @Sigvatr
Don't you dare try to make it seem that way. It's either pro-choice or anti-choice.
Yeah, no. It's a binary choice. You either choose to let the fetus live or you kill it. Anything else is opinion. If you have a problem with others calling a spade a spade, I suggest thinking about your very own convictions.
Alas, how about opening a pro-life / pro-death / abortion thread then? Not this thread's topic at all.
It is possible to be both pro-choice and pro-life. You may not choose to have an abortion yourself, but do not see a reason to force your beliefs on others. The so-called pro-life camp is pro-life, anti-choice, while anyone who routinely uses an abortion as a form of birth control is pro-choice pro-abortion. Pro-abortion Anti-choice is the position favored by eugenicists.
OgreChubbs wrote: A vague self superiorty complex is why you are blind and make you so violant. Why get upset about a differnt point of view?
Your point of view is a tacit advocacy of murder.
You say the goverment and the adults in your life told you this is the law and this makes it right. I simply disagree and see anyone ending a human life no matter the state of being a murder.
The literal definition of murder is killing that's not sanctioned by the state, so it doesn't really matter what your opinion on it is. And it isn't your job (or the job of any individual outside of our justice system) to arbitrarily decide who is a murderer deserving of judgment and who isn't. Even if you take the laws of the land out of the equation, nowhere in the Bible does Jesus say that you should murder the gak out of someone if they perform an action that you deem morally reprehensible.
But remeber one who believes he is always in the right and his point of views are the correct one is the same as those the chastise. So relax little one I shall not shatter your belifes stay calm and disagree, name caling is for those with nothing better to say to make a point.
You seem to be under the impression that opinions should be free from criticism- you're wrong. You have the right to express your opinion, but that same right gives me the right to offer my own commentary on your opinion. If you're going to exercise your right to express an opinion and claim that you don't find it completely unacceptable to murder law-abiding citizens then I'm going to exercise my right to express an opinion and state that your opinion makes you sound like a dangerous psychopath.
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OgreChubbs wrote: A vague self superiorty complex is why you are blind and make you so violant. Why get upset about a differnt point of view?
Your point of view is a tacit advocacy of murder.
You say the goverment and the adults in your life told you this is the law and this makes it right. I simply disagree and see anyone ending a human life no matter the state of being a murder.
The literal definition of murder is killing that's not sanctioned by the state, so it doesn't really matter what your opinion on it is. And it isn't your job (or the job of any individual outside of our justice system) to arbitrarily decide who is a murderer deserving of judgment and who isn't. Even if you take the laws of the land out of the equation, nowhere in the Bible does Jesus say that you should murder the gak out of someone if they perform an action that you deem morally reprehensible.
But remeber one who believes he is always in the right and his point of views are the correct one is the same as those the chastise. So relax little one I shall not shatter your belifes stay calm and disagree, name caling is for those with nothing better to say to make a point.
You seem to be under the impression that opinions should be free from criticism- you're wrong. You have the right to express your opinion, but that same right gives me the right to offer my own commentary on your opinion. If you're going to exercise your right to express an opinion and claim that you don't find it completely unacceptable to murder law-abiding citizens then I'm going to exercise my right to express an opinion and state that your opinion makes you sound like a dangerous psychopath.
The u.s.a actually went to war against countries who said they where in the right murdering people... By the state country or what have you. Dont forget you also use to be allowed to kill your slave whcih I guess is not murder since the state let you?
Also cool thank you for your opnion good job :-)
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I need to go to work every day.
Millions of people on welfare depend on me.
These people represent themselves, not all people of any group, religious or not. And they represent poorly.
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Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
OgreChubbs wrote: The u.s.a actually went to war against countries who said they where in the right murdering people... By the state country or what have you. Dont forget you also use to be allowed to kill your slave whcih I guess is not murder since the state let you?
Yes, murder has a specific definition and legally sanctioned killings such as executions and war are not murder. I take moral issue with many of the wars we've participated in because I don't think they were justified and I also take issue with people being legally allowed to kill slaves, however that doesn't make either situation murder, and I wouldn't condone dragging the President or Slave-owners out of their beds at night and hacking them to pieces via mob-justice. If the law is fethed up then that means that the law needs to be changed.
Also cool thank you for your opnion good job :-)
Your welcome. I wish I could extend that same sentiment to you, but frankly I think your opinion sucks.
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OgreChubbs wrote: The u.s.a actually went to war against countries who said they where in the right murdering people... By the state country or what have you. Dont forget you also use to be allowed to kill your slave whcih I guess is not murder since the state let you?
Yes, murder has a specific definition and legally sanctioned killings such as executions and war are not murder.
Also cool thank you for your opnion good job :-)
Your welcome. I wish I could extend that same sentiment to you, but frankly I think your opinion sucks.
Differmt oppnions breed conversation and action. Stupidty breeds in those with the same opnion and no need to change. Which is why two like minds never prosper.
I need to go to work every day.
Millions of people on welfare depend on me.
OgreChubbs wrote: The u.s.a actually went to war against countries who said they where in the right murdering people... By the state country or what have you. Dont forget you also use to be allowed to kill your slave whcih I guess is not murder since the state let you?
Yes, murder has a specific definition and legally sanctioned killings such as executions and war are not murder.
Also cool thank you for your opnion good job :-)
Your welcome. I wish I could extend that same sentiment to you, but frankly I think your opinion sucks.
Differmt oppnions breed conversation and action. Stupidty breeds in those with the same opnion and no need to change. Which is why two like minds never prosper.
If you're going to attempt to condescend to me with random non-sequiturs, can you at least do so with proper spelling and grammar so that I can understand what you're saying?
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In regards to it being a black-white issue or not, I'd highly recommend checking out this story. It's about OB-GYN training and how those being trained to do it feel about it, and whether they will or won't do abortions when they go into practice. It's very interesting, and shows a side that you don't normally see.
These people represent themselves, not all people of any group, religious or not. And they represent poorly.
It's like the Arabs that Trump watched when they celebrated 9/11!
The only things I've watched involving Trump are either not postable here due to content or him going "beep beep bing bong", so I don't know what you're referring to. If he's saying that all muslims are evil because he saw some arabs post celebrations over 9/11, he's merely confirming further he's a turd.
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Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
OgreChubbs wrote: The u.s.a actually went to war against countries who said they where in the right murdering people... By the state country or what have you. Dont forget you also use to be allowed to kill your slave whcih I guess is not murder since the state let you?
Yes, murder has a specific definition and legally sanctioned killings such as executions and war are not murder.
Also cool thank you for your opnion good job :-)
Your welcome. I wish I could extend that same sentiment to you, but frankly I think your opinion sucks.
Differmt oppnions breed conversation and action. Stupidty breeds in those with the same opnion and no need to change. Which is why two like minds never prosper.
If you're going to attempt to condescend to me with random non-sequiturs, can you at least do so with proper spelling and grammar so that I can understand what you're saying?
Sorry no I cant I have two kids climbing over me, typing on a tablet that has a 45 second delay from typing to showing up.
Also I was not insulting you relax I will dumb down my quote. If people think the same nothing gets fixed. If people have different opnions then they can find loke minded problems and fix them. Sorry but I do not insult people I am not a child.
But this is going no where but a circle so I will end it here.
Have a nice day everyone with different opnions then my own hopefully you see my opnion as I see yours and we leave as adults with out childish name calling or grudes. Good day.
I need to go to work every day.
Millions of people on welfare depend on me.
It is possible to be both pro-choice and pro-life.
The decison itself is binary. Personal stance doesn't matter. What matters is the decision.You might be pro-life all the time but the decide to still have the fetus be killed.
You may not choose to have an abortion yourself, but do not see a reason to force your beliefs on others.
I'm "pro-choice". In my /personal/ opinion, if you can bear killing an unborn child and living with all of its consequences, then you should feel free to do so.
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These people represent themselves, not all people of any group, religious or not. And they represent poorly.
It's like the Arabs that Trump watched when they celebrated 9/11!
The only things I've watched involving Trump are either not postable here due to content or him going "beep beep bing bong", so I don't know what you're referring to. If he's saying that all muslims are evil because he saw some arabs post celebrations over 9/11, he's merely confirming further he's a turd.
He's claiming that he personally watched thousands of Muslims and/or Arabs celebrate the attacks in the streets of New Jersey as the towers were collapsing.
Well, if that were true it would've been very widely reported.
I assume it isn't because he's full of gak?
The first and only result agreeing with him was a blog post by someone on infowars. That's pretty damning.
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Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
These people represent themselves, not all people of any group, religious or not. And they represent poorly.
It's like the Arabs that Trump watched when they celebrated 9/11!
The only things I've watched involving Trump are either not postable here due to content or him going "beep beep bing bong", so I don't know what you're referring to. If he's saying that all muslims are evil because he saw some arabs post celebrations over 9/11, he's merely confirming further he's a turd.
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It is possible to be both pro-choice and pro-life.
The decison itself is binary. Personal stance doesn't matter. What matters is the decision.You might be pro-life all the time but the decide to still have the fetus be killed.
And with that, you've lost me. How can one be Pro-Life "All the time" and still decide to kill the fetus? Can you please define what you mean when you say pro-life, because I think the language barrier may be kicking in.
Some basic information about the shooter is starting to appear;
- lived in a cabin in the woods with no water or electricity
- did not openly discuss religion
- interacted with people in a rambling manner
- series of run ins with the law (peeping tom, cruelty to animals)
- self identified as female
- registered as unaffiliated voter, but was not a fan of Obama
MrDwhitey wrote: The presumption should be that while it's possible members of this guys church may be involved/related/whatever, assumption that it is the case is wrong.
Feel free to investigate possible links, but don't condemn until it's known.
Of course it's never the church with Christians. They never give someone a gun and tell them to go shoot a doctor. They just say how that doctor deserves to die and it sure would be nice if someone were to cap him, wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more.
Would be interesting to see if you have support that more than one or two wackjob churches in fact does this. Otherwise, you're again just being a bigot .
Appears the shooter lived at least part time in a cabin without water or power and was previously charged with animal cruelty.
These things are known, just ignored by christians. Based on past history I'll take the safe bet, only one group attacks planned parenthood clinics for providing breast exams.
What if it is just one or two wackjob churches? they are still christian wackjob churches. christian wackjob churches that have distributed wanted posters for doctors who "mysteriously" get murdered shortly after they're distributed. It has nothing to do with bigotry, It has to do with facts, but whatever helps you stay in denial.
And even in this thread we see the mainstream christians supporting and enabling their extremest by not calling them out. They're celebrating the attack, not condemning it.
NEW YORK, NY – Every news organization in the world agreed Saturday never to describe the shooter who attacked a Planned Parenthood in Colorado a ‘Christian terrorist,’ even though that’s exactly what he is.
“Well, he's an angry Christian conservative white man,” said CNN news chief Wolf Blitzer. “So we prefer to refer to him as being mentally ill.”
Some suggested that this decision was motivated by ratings.
“We obviously can't call him a Christian extremist or a Christian terrorist,” said Fox News host Bill O'Reilly. “Most of our audience is Christian and would be offended. Besides, we would never report that anyway, because it's something that’s true.”
MSNBC's Chris Matthews agreed that telling the truth would hurt ratings.
“If we called this shooter what he is, a violent Christian extremist who was motivated by the rhetoric of angry Republican politicians to save the lives of the unborn by killing the born, people would flip their lids,” said MSNBC host Chris Matthews. “Everyone knows that the Tea Party is not that far off from being ISIS, but we can't say that, because white conservative viewers would get upset and this would hurt ad revenue.”
Others noted the difference in reporting between different types of religious terrorism.
“See, when a Muslim extremist does something violent, we can point out how they're a Muslim and how people should be afraid of Muslims and everyone is okay with that,” said NBC News anchor Brian Williams, who somehow still has a job. “But when it's a Christian terrorist, it's important for us to note how he was just one lone-wolf rotten egg out of millions and that he's a mentally ill monster.”
In the 24 hours since the Planned Parenthood shooting, there have been zero reports of Christians being harassed. The lack of fear mongering by the media has also led to zero armed militia members showing up to patrol churches.
NEW YORK, NY – Every news organization in the world agreed Saturday never to describe the shooter who attacked a Planned Parenthood in Colorado a ‘Christian terrorist,’ even though that’s exactly what he is.
“Well, he's an angry Christian conservative white man,” said CNN news chief Wolf Blitzer. “So we prefer to refer to him as being mentally ill.”
Some suggested that this decision was motivated by ratings.
“We obviously can't call him a Christian extremist or a Christian terrorist,” said Fox News host Bill O'Reilly. “Most of our audience is Christian and would be offended. Besides, we would never report that anyway, because it's something that’s true.”
MSNBC's Chris Matthews agreed that telling the truth would hurt ratings.
“If we called this shooter what he is, a violent Christian extremist who was motivated by the rhetoric of angry Republican politicians to save the lives of the unborn by killing the born, people would flip their lids,” said MSNBC host Chris Matthews. “Everyone knows that the Tea Party is not that far off from being ISIS, but we can't say that, because white conservative viewers would get upset and this would hurt ad revenue.”
Others noted the difference in reporting between different types of religious terrorism.
“See, when a Muslim extremist does something violent, we can point out how they're a Muslim and how people should be afraid of Muslims and everyone is okay with that,” said NBC News anchor Brian Williams, who somehow still has a job. “But when it's a Christian terrorist, it's important for us to note how he was just one lone-wolf rotten egg out of millions and that he's a mentally ill monster.”
In the 24 hours since the Planned Parenthood shooting, there have been zero reports of Christians being harassed. The lack of fear mongering by the media has also led to zero armed militia members showing up to patrol churches.
I really hope you understand that article is satire.
This is one of the reasons that we should wait for the facts to be established. Who remembers this; http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/investigations/2015/02/20/colorado-springs-bombing/23742111/ The initial reports were that someone had tried to plant a bomb in an NAACP office, and the FBI were investigating it as a domestic terror incident. Turns out that the perpetrator was mad at a tax preparation company that used offices in close proximity.
In a similar manner it appears that this incident started outside Planned Parenthood, that the attacker moved into the Planned Parenthood building to use as cover, shot out from the building, but did not harm PP staff. On the face that seems at odds with someone making a statement against PP, but that is a supposition on my part and the facts should establish the truth.
NEW YORK, NY – Every news organization in the world agreed Saturday never to describe the shooter who attacked a Planned Parenthood in Colorado a ‘Christian terrorist,’ even though that’s exactly what he is.
“Well, he's an angry Christian conservative white man,” said CNN news chief Wolf Blitzer. “So we prefer to refer to him as being mentally ill.”
Some suggested that this decision was motivated by ratings.
“We obviously can't call him a Christian extremist or a Christian terrorist,” said Fox News host Bill O'Reilly. “Most of our audience is Christian and would be offended. Besides, we would never report that anyway, because it's something that’s true.”
MSNBC's Chris Matthews agreed that telling the truth would hurt ratings.
“If we called this shooter what he is, a violent Christian extremist who was motivated by the rhetoric of angry Republican politicians to save the lives of the unborn by killing the born, people would flip their lids,” said MSNBC host Chris Matthews. “Everyone knows that the Tea Party is not that far off from being ISIS, but we can't say that, because white conservative viewers would get upset and this would hurt ad revenue.”
Others noted the difference in reporting between different types of religious terrorism.
“See, when a Muslim extremist does something violent, we can point out how they're a Muslim and how people should be afraid of Muslims and everyone is okay with that,” said NBC News anchor Brian Williams, who somehow still has a job. “But when it's a Christian terrorist, it's important for us to note how he was just one lone-wolf rotten egg out of millions and that he's a mentally ill monster.”
In the 24 hours since the Planned Parenthood shooting, there have been zero reports of Christians being harassed. The lack of fear mongering by the media has also led to zero armed militia members showing up to patrol churches.
I really hope you understand that article is satire.
This is one of the reasons that we should wait for the facts to be established. Who remembers this; http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/investigations/2015/02/20/colorado-springs-bombing/23742111/ The initial reports were that someone had tried to plant a bomb in an NAACP office, and the FBI were investigating it as a domestic terror incident. Turns out that the perpetrator was mad at a tax preparation company that used offices in close proximity.
In a similar manner it appears that this incident started outside Planned Parenthood, that the attacker moved into the Planned Parenthood building to use as cover, shot out from the building, but did not harm PP staff. On the face that seems at odds with someone making a statement against PP, but that is a supposition on my part and the facts should establish the truth.
Have there been any credible reports that the shooter shot at anyone besides the cops? I've seen reports that the location of the shooter given in the 911 calls was the PP office but haven't seen reports that anyone in PP was attacked. I don't have cable so it may have been reported and I missed it.
Prestor Jon wrote: Have there been any credible reports that the shooter shot at anyone besides the cops? I've seen reports that the location of the shooter given in the 911 calls was the PP office but haven't seen reports that anyone in PP was attacked. I don't have cable so it may have been reported and I missed it.
Two civilians shot. Neither of which were/are PP staff
NEW YORK, NY – Every news organization in the world agreed Saturday never to describe the shooter who attacked a Planned Parenthood in Colorado a ‘Christian terrorist,’ even though that’s exactly what he is.
“Well, he's an angry Christian conservative white man,” said CNN news chief Wolf Blitzer. “So we prefer to refer to him as being mentally ill.”
Some suggested that this decision was motivated by ratings.
“We obviously can't call him a Christian extremist or a Christian terrorist,” said Fox News host Bill O'Reilly. “Most of our audience is Christian and would be offended. Besides, we would never report that anyway, because it's something that’s true.”
MSNBC's Chris Matthews agreed that telling the truth would hurt ratings.
“If we called this shooter what he is, a violent Christian extremist who was motivated by the rhetoric of angry Republican politicians to save the lives of the unborn by killing the born, people would flip their lids,” said MSNBC host Chris Matthews. “Everyone knows that the Tea Party is not that far off from being ISIS, but we can't say that, because white conservative viewers would get upset and this would hurt ad revenue.”
Others noted the difference in reporting between different types of religious terrorism.
“See, when a Muslim extremist does something violent, we can point out how they're a Muslim and how people should be afraid of Muslims and everyone is okay with that,” said NBC News anchor Brian Williams, who somehow still has a job. “But when it's a Christian terrorist, it's important for us to note how he was just one lone-wolf rotten egg out of millions and that he's a mentally ill monster.”
In the 24 hours since the Planned Parenthood shooting, there have been zero reports of Christians being harassed. The lack of fear mongering by the media has also led to zero armed militia members showing up to patrol churches.
I really hope you understand that article is satire.
This is one of the reasons that we should wait for the facts to be established. Who remembers this; http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/investigations/2015/02/20/colorado-springs-bombing/23742111/ The initial reports were that someone had tried to plant a bomb in an NAACP office, and the FBI were investigating it as a domestic terror incident. Turns out that the perpetrator was mad at a tax preparation company that used offices in close proximity.
In a similar manner it appears that this incident started outside Planned Parenthood, that the attacker moved into the Planned Parenthood building to use as cover, shot out from the building, but did not harm PP staff. On the face that seems at odds with someone making a statement against PP, but that is a supposition on my part and the facts should establish the truth.
Have there been any credible reports that the shooter shot at anyone besides the cops? I've seen reports that the location of the shooter given in the 911 calls was the PP office but haven't seen reports that anyone in PP was attacked. I don't have cable so it may have been reported and I missed it.
Well ,IIRC, 9 people were shot, but only four officers, so I assume so.
Edit: got the number wrong
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