Deathwatch Overkill (Deathwatch vs Genestealer cult board game) - 40k rules, free download pg1

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**H.B.M.C.**

I've got a plastic Hybrid with the old plastic Chaos Autocannon, and another with an old plastic Conversion Beamer.

Which reminds me, I've got about 20-odd plastic Hybrids that are either missing arms or weapons. I should finish them.

**Crablezworth**

Dealer wrote:
Some people have criticized the Deathwatch models for being too blingy, but researching images I've always found them to carry a lot of their chapter's iconography. Truth is most images come from Fantasy Flight Games but I imagine GW gives the ok to all of them or perhaps even supplies the art itself.

Example is the Tigers Ardent below.

There's plenty of images that support both takes on them, the heraldry laden nascar pimp-queen take on them and the more toned down monochrome "a chapter shoulder pad is enough" take on them.

My problem with the super friends aspect to them is it always overshadows the men in black alien hunter ordos xenos stuff with pointless fish out of water horse gak. The fluff is basically keeping at least some remnants of the chapter heraldry to appease the power armour;s machine spirit. Which basically took the form of the other shoulder pad staying the same while painting the armour black and wearing the deathwatch shoulder pad on the left.

The bad ass death watch basically looked like black shields. It's not really just as simple too much or not enough bling, For me the pimp queen ones just look like nascar, too much colour, too many chapter symbols, to the point where there's barely any black on the model.

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**angelofvengeance**

I guess we've moved on to the nit pick at everything stage of the discussion. Hmm and everyone was so positive about the new minis...

**Crablezworth**

angelofvengeance wrote:
I guess we've moved on to the nit pick at everything stage of the discussion. Hmm and everyone was so positive about the new minis...

I've earned my nitpicking. Believe.

**Warhams-77**

I'm curious how they will add DW into 40k.

**Crablezworth**

Warhams-77 wrote:
I'm curious how they will add DW into 40k.

My guess would be badly. Possibly formation/detachment nonsense. That or a bunch of special characters, but that would require more effort than the formation/detachment route. Here's hoping the cult rules are decent.

**BaronVonSnakPak**

Crablezworth wrote:
Warhams-77 wrote:
I'm curious how they will add DW into 40k.

My guess would be badly. Possibly formation/detachment nonsense. That or a bunch of special characters, but that would require more effort than the formation/detachment route.

You're just a ball of sunshine, aren't you?

It seems to me that they made the DW ornate individuals most likely due to the nature of the board game. Easily identifiable characters, with distinguishable silhouettes, are beneficial to horde-based games. Gameplay could easily get bogged down if you have to inspect shoulder pads to determine who can and can't do something. Also, 11 copy+paste marines is a tough sell for a new game, when anyone can already go buy a box of tac marines.

**aka_mythos**

Crablezworth wrote:
Warhams-77 wrote:
I'm curious how they will add DW into 40k.

My guess would be badly. Possibly formation/detachment nonsense. That or a bunch of special characters, but that would require more effort than the formation/detachment route. Here's hoping the cult rules are decent.

It'll be interesting... it'd be a departure from the norm but squads built of characters or just an army of a lot of characters with nothing like squads at all is almost what you have to imagine given how different they all are to each other.

**Vain**

I could see it go well.

You have each DW Marine as the IC of their Base unit (DW Dev can go with 0-9 of Dev Marines, White Scar Biker can be acompanied by 2-4 Bikers whatever etc) and they all get a special rule or choice ammo.

I would love to have the Frag Cannon Marine as a Sgt running along with a few other Devs picking off bigger targets, while Lightning McRaven-Claws running his Assault Marines under some cover (smoke launchers = cover save in my mind).

This could work as a detachment of infantry only (no real big tanks or flyers, just pods and rhinos) that could assist other forces since that is the way to go now, or you could just have an army of gosh-darned heroes.

**nekooni**

aka_mythos wrote:
Crablezworth wrote:
Warhams-77 wrote:
I'm curious how they will add DW into 40k.

My guess would be badly. Possibly formation/detachment nonsense. That or a bunch of special characters, but that would require more effort than the formation/detachment route. Here's hoping the cult rules are decent.
It'll be interesting... it'd be a departure from the norm but squads built of characters or just an army of a lot of characters with nothing like squads at all is almost what you have to imagine given how different they all are to each other.

I'd assume they're either straight-up ICs or they do something inbetween individual ICs and a unit, maybe allow them to break up similar to combat squads, but allow you to split in whatever way you like.

Or just make them a "Deathwatch" unit of 5-10 Veterans, similar to VV/SG Vets, but with additional options. While that wouldn't work well for having a WYSIWYG army with sensible equipment, I'm not sure that's something GW would refrain from doing just for that.

**aka_mythos**

nekooni wrote:
aka_mythos wrote:
Crablezworth wrote:
Warhams-77 wrote:
I'm curious how they will add DW into 40k.

My guess would be badly. Possibly formation/detachment nonsense. That or a bunch of special characters, but that would require more effort than the formation/detachment route. Here's hoping the cult rules are decent.
It'll be interesting... it'd be a departure from the norm but squads built of characters or just an army of a lot of characters with nothing like squads at all is almost what you have to imagine given how different they all are to each other.

I'd assume they're either straight-up ICs or they do something inbetween individual ICs and a unit, maybe allow them to break up similar to combat squads, but allow you to split in whatever way you like.

Or just make them a "Deathwatch" unit of 5-10 Veterans, similar to VV/SG Vets, but with additional options. While that wouldn't work well for having a WYSIWYG army with sensible equipment, I'm not sure that's something GW would refrain from doing just for that.

The rules are just going to create a lot of problems with different model types... it doesn't really work having jump packs or bikes mixed into a standard infantry squad. This is only to say, unless they're either taken as advisor characters that can just be added into normal marine units or they're independent characters, GW will have to change how these 11 DW minis are presented and sold for 40k.

I think you might be onto something... GW could do a couple of generic DW squads and sell these guys as special characters or Sergeant upgrade to those different squads.

Thematically it'd seem appropriate if the DW mini-codex was just different character that plug into your army's squads and then just a single DW squads with choices like jump packs or terminator armor branching out into the options restricted by that choice. Given the nature of the Deathwatch a conventional FOC doesn't really make sense... they probably have more in common with the Inquisition or Legion of the Damned in that regard.

**alleus**

I'm hoping for a formation with all the special characters, or the ability to pick and choose among them. The ability to give them transports like drop pods would also be great.

A whole stand-alone codex for DW would be overkill (lol) in my opinion. A small detachment could work though, giving you the ability to build your own Kill Team, and these could be special characters that you can include in that team.

So a formation or small detachment is what I'm hoping for. The DW rarely (basically never) deploy in large enough numbers for a whole codex allowing large games anyway.

**Crazyterran**

We've been inundated with Chaplains lately. Or at least I have. First I got the Cassius Model, then the one from the Command Squad/Razorback box set, then three from Betrayal at Calth, and now Cassius the Younger.

Well, at least I'll have plenty for my Battle Companies, I suppose!

**Souleater**

I am hoping for a mini-Dex that allows pure GSC armies in 40k! If the WD has that I will be very pleased!

**reds8n**

It's great to see some of the old models, memories and images this release is bringing up.

**Ian Sturrock**

10 foot marines, 1 bike, 1 jump pack? If so, it'd be pretty easy for the 40K rules to be basically one 10-man unit (combat squaddable at will) and two ICs.

I am loving the stealer cult. Still have my Genestealer rules for Space Hulk 1st Edn somewhere, along with a few of the plastic hybrids. The marines are gorgeous, but probably wouldn't be a "must buy" if they didn't come with the boardgame, which I am anticipating will be pretty good.

Does anyone who knows White Dwarf better than I do know which two UK issues I need to buy (i.e. issue numbers)? I will just add them to my Darksphere order when I buy the game.

**Pete Melvin**

You got me GW. I managed to resist BaC, but the chance to start a Genestealer cult, with these great minis.

My uncle Stu, who knows I collect minis but is unaware that I havent collected GW in years, got me £30 of GW vouchers for my Christmas. I had no idea what to do with them, thought Id probably just get paint....now I know what to do with them.

Well played GW and Uncle Stu, well played.

**JohnnyHell**

I will have to buy two boxes and hide them. Then finish my Stealerfex and Uberstealer conversions so I can field one epic army.

**mazik765**

angelofvengeance wrote:
I guess we've moved on to the nit pick at everything stage of the discussion. Hmm and everyone was so positive about the new minis...

You should know by now we can't have nice things like happiness on Dakka

**Fireball**

Ian Sturrock wrote:
10 foot marines, 1 bike, 1 jump pack? If so, it'd be pretty easy for the 40K rules to be basically one 10-man unit (combat squaddable at will) and two ICs.

Make that two jump packs ... Raven Guard and Blood Angels.

**Paradigm**

Rules-wise, I'd love to see them take a Big Damn Heroes route with the DW kill team, make them all mid-level ICs in the region of 60-100 points each, the option to join them to each other even though that's not normally permitted, souped up weapons, nifty rules. If the whole thing comes to around 400 points that can then be plugged into another army, awesome!

**Looky Likey**

Has anybody counted how many 'stealer cult minis are in the set?

**Bonespace**

Games Workshop wrote:Games Workshop is proud to introduce you to Deathwatch: Overkill – Suffer not the alien to live! A brand new game in a box. Deathwatch: Overkill tells the story of the discovery of the Warhammer 40.000 Genestealer Cult (Tyranids) by the elite Deathwatch Space Marine kill squad on the mining world of Ghosar Quintus.
Deathwatch: Overkill is a standalone game with lots of new Space Marine and Genestealers Cult (Tyranid) miniatures that can also be used in a regular Warhammer 40.000 game. The miniatures can be used for this game, or they can be used straight in a regular Tyranids army or one of the many Space Marine chapters (without having to convert them). The rules for the Space Marines will be in White Dwarf 109 and for the Tyranids in White Dwarf 110. In addition the datasheets will be available from our website.
DEATHWATCH: OVERKILL – WHAT’S IN THE BOX?
A brand new game in a box, telling the story of the discovery of the Warhammer 40.000 Genestealers Cult (Tyranids). The box contains:
50x brand new highly detailed plastic miniatures, with lots of little details depicting character background information.
The miniatures have a dynamic single pose and will require glue and assembly (they are not push fit). The miniatures can be divided into two camps:
The Genestealer Cult
These veteran Space Marines will make great champions for any Space Marine army!
11x individual Space Marine Veteran Champions (equivalent to approximately £ 215 / € 275 retail normally)

The Deathwatch Kill team
A brand new Warhammer 40.000 fraction! The below list of miniatures make for addition to an original Tyranid army, an allied detachment to another army, or a great start for a brand new Tyranids army! This box contains the following Genestealers Cult miniatures
· 12 Acolyte Hybrids (1st and 2nd generation Tyranids)
· 16 Neophyte Cultists (3rd generation Tyranids)
· 2x Purestrain Genestealers
· 2x Familiars
· 4x Aberrants
· 1x Patriarch
· 1x Magus
· 1x Primus
· A 48-page rulebook with all the rules (just 3 pages, so it will be easy and quick game), character explanation, the background story, and 9x different missions. (Each scenario acts out one of the stages of the storyline. Each scenario will last between 30mins to 2 hours and will give a lot of playability)
· 8x double sided board tiles with different landscapes.
· A deck of 12x reference character cards and 30x Broodmind ambush and mission cards, to offer even more variation to the game so that each game will be different.
· A booklet with assembly instructions
· Gaming accessories such as markers, templates and 6 dice.

**Slinky**

"In addition the datasheets will be available from our website. "

Marvellous news!

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Oh, and simple (3 page) rules also sounds good for a boardgame to me.

**Gamgee**

How much will this be CAD? I was considering splitting its cost with my friend who is a nids player.

Edit
Ugh about 227 CAD. NOPE. NOPE. He can grab it on his own if he wants the cult. I'm not paying half just for the 11 DW minis. I'll chip in 60 maybe 70 but he can pay the rest of the box set if he wants them that badly since I would be getting the short end of the stick.

**godardc**

Do you think the Praedis Zeta rules for the cult hybrids will be the same/close to the actual rules ?

**BloodGrin**

Looky Likey wrote:
Has anybody counted how many 'stealer cult minis are in the set?

Didn't have to count them, multiple scans had the numbers listed for the models and what was included.

**Chikout**

So the genestealer cult army has 4 units; hybrids, cultists, aberrants, and purestrains, and 3 hq or elites; patriarch, Magus, and Primus. When they release the codex later this this year, do you think they will add vehicles? A limo does not fit with the mining theme. I thought something more rugged like a suitably converted Taurox might work well. Thoughts?

**Nostromodamus**

A suitably pimped out Imperial vehicle would be ok if a limo was not possible I guess.

"Yo dawg, we put clothes hampers in your Taurox so your Genestealers can be jean stealers. Then we replaced the gas tank with a flexifuel system and batteries so your Hybrids can ride in a hybrid."

**ShaneTB**

Bonespace wrote:
Games Workshop wrote:.... they can be used straight in a regular Tyranids army

That answers the allies question; nice timing with the "Start Collecting!" box.

But, wait, a twist:

Bonespace wrote:
Games Workshop wrote:...an allied detachment to another army...

What's the other army?... They probably mean a detachment to a Tyranid army.