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Was that just for the Deathwatch stuff?

 Yodhrin wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
Checking Elements prices you don't seem to save that much when you factor in shipping.
And you need to spend £80 to qualify for free shipping.
Which is twice as much as Wayland.

Which is irrelevant when discussing a product that will cost £80 after the discount...

Element Games is best if you're ordering enough to get their free shipping, otherwise go with Darksphere. Wayland are comical, total lottery whether you get great service or end up waiting weeks. EDIT: Not tried 4TK, what's their shipping like cost-wise?

Free delivery on orders above £80, normally a flat £2.50 below that. I buy from them frequently and have never had a problem.

Also, the 40k rules for the models will be available for free download on the actual release date.

 Hulksmash wrote:

 Deathklaat wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
I'll probably go thru the warstore. 5% more off isn't worth getting it 2 weeks after its out from Frontline since I've had issues getting things in a reasonable amount t of time from them.

The Card Ogre has these going for $116 and should have plenty.

Link?

I'll second the request for a link.

And maybe some idea about their service.

~Eric

Element are excellent. I've ordered from them a lot, and I've only had one order that didn't arrive the next day, and that came 2 days later. And yeah they don't deliver it personally but I've not had such quick delivery from anyone else so it must be something they do, so it's still their service. The Outpost are very good too, almost as quick. Any issues I've had with either were resolved very quickly by phone or via Facebook.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Was that just for the Deathwatch stuff?

I believe so yes.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Stormwall wrote:
This seems like a horrible deal if you only want 4-5 of the Death watch marines.

I've not been following so please forgive my ignorance if I am wrong.

Given that plastic blisters are tending to be around $30 each now, you're looking at $150 for those 4-5 Deathwatch Marines.

$165 nets you 11 Deathwatch members(Iron Hand, Raven Guard[Jump Pack], Ultramarine, Imperial Fist, White Scar on Bike[who would probably be $35-$40ish], Blood Angel[Jump Pack], Space Wolf, Dark Angel, Salamander[Terminator Armor], along with Cassius and a Librarian) plus all the Genestealer Cult stuff.

So $165 for the boxed game...or $330 for JUST the Deathwatch contingent.

But the Deathwatch sprues are not cut for individual clampacks so I don't see how their typical pricing for individual characters is in any way relevant. I mean who in their right mind is going to go out and buy 11 SM characters at $30 a pop for all different chapters? I dare GW to release 11 plastic minis for $330. In fact I triple dog dare them!

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Stormwall wrote:
This seems like a horrible deal if you only want 4-5 of the Death watch marines.

I've not been following so please forgive my ignorance if I am wrong.

Given that plastic blisters are tending to be around $30 each now, you're looking at $150 for those 4-5 Deathwatch Marines.

$165 nets you 11 Deathwatch members(Iron Hand, Raven Guard[Jump Pack], Ultramarine, Imperial Fist, White Scar on Bike[who would probably be $35-$40ish], Blood Angel[Jump Pack], Space Wolf, Dark Angel, Salamander[Terminator Armor], along with Cassius and a Librarian) plus all the Genestealer Cult stuff.

So $165 for the boxed game...or $330 for JUST the Deathwatch contingent.

But the Deathwatch sprues are not cut for individual clampacks so I don't see how their typical pricing for individual characters is in any way relevant. I mean who in their right mind is going to go out and buy 11 SM characters at $30 a pop for all different chapters? I dare GW to release 11 plastic minis for $330. In fact I triple dog dare them!

I can see it happening

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Stormwall wrote:
This seems like a horrible deal if you only want 4-5 of the Death watch marines.

I've not been following so please forgive my ignorance if I am wrong.

Given that plastic blisters are tending to be around $30 each now, you're looking at $150 for those 4-5 Deathwatch Marines.

$165 nets you 11 Deathwatch members(Iron Hand, Raven Guard[Jump Pack], Ultramarine, Imperial Fist, White Scar on Bike[who would probably be $35-$40ish], Blood Angel[Jump Pack], Space Wolf, Dark Angel, Salamander[Terminator Armor], along with Cassius and a Librarian) plus all the Genestealer Cult stuff.

So $165 for the boxed game...or $330 for JUST the Deathwatch contingent.

But the Deathwatch sprues are not cut for individual clampacks so I don't see how their typical pricing for individual characters is in any way relevant. I mean who in their right mind is going to go out and buy 11 SM characters at $30 a pop for all different chapters? I dare GW to release 11 plastic minis for $330. In fact I triple dog dare them!

I don't think they will, I think people are only using that comparison based on the similarity in quality and detail between the $30 clampack characters and the DWO marines.

Especially if GW see people selling the individual characters in EBay for £10-15 a pop. Even if they only take a small percentage of that market they will see it as worthwhile.

Another vote for Element here. I would say that with new releases you are unlikely to get it on the Saturday release day, more likely the next Monday, as they tend not to post it until the Saturday.

 Taarnak wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

 Deathklaat wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
I'll probably go thru the warstore. 5% more off isn't worth getting it 2 weeks after its out from Frontline since I've had issues getting things in a reasonable amount t of time from them.

The Card Ogre has these going for $116 and should have plenty.

Link?

I'll second the request for a link.

And maybe some idea about their service.

~Eric

Mugu in Everett, WA will have these at around $117 for walk-in customers. I don't think they'll offer this price for any mail-order buyers, though. They like to reward people who actually come into the store to buy.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Especially if GW see people selling the individual characters in EBay for £10-15 a pop. Even if they only take a small percentage of that market they will see it as worthwhile.

Another vote for Element here. I would say that with new releases you are unlikely to get it on the Saturday release day, more likely the next Monday, as they tend not to post it until the Saturday.

I think 10-20 will be standard for the SM

 Breotan wrote:

 Taarnak wrote:
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Mugu in Everett, WA will have these at around $117 for walk-in customers. I don't think they'll offer this price for any mail-order buyers, though. They like to reward people who actually come into the store to buy.

May have to check this out. Hopefully they will still have some in stock after 4PM or so when I get a chance to get out there.

migooo wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Especially if GW see people selling the individual characters in EBay for £10-15 a pop. Even if they only take a small percentage of that market they will see it as worthwhile.

Another vote for Element here. I would say that with new releases you are unlikely to get it on the Saturday release day, more likely the next Monday, as they tend not to post it until the Saturday.

I think 10-20 will be standard for the SM

If you broke it down purely by mini count, the DW make up 22% of the box, which is $36.30, and $128.70 for the GSC portion respectively. Unfortunately, I think they'll probably be priced around your estimate by ebay/3rd party sellers, and the GSC portion will most likely be $75-$90 based on previous pricing trends of split box sets.

This is all conjecture, though, so we'll have to wait and see the actual costs once it hits the market.

Depends if it is a limited release as well. I think the best route is friends/fellow hobbyists to swap and mix and match. Local GWs are good at brokering that kind of thing too...but rarely have we had such a big disparity between the sizes of the two forces.

It will be interesting to see what supply/demand does to the sides price-wise. I think a lot of the marine players will be fine with one squad to add to their collection, whereas I think a lot of cultists are not going to be happy until they can carpet the world in hybrids.

Could be wrong, just a guess.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Depends if it is a limited release as well. I think the best route is friends/fellow hobbyists to swap and mix and match. Local GWs are good at brokering that kind of thing too...but rarely have we had such a big disparity between the sizes of the two forces.

it is quite striking but also the disparity in troop types for marines 2 characters, 2 jump packs, and a bike guy that can easily be used as a lord, and the terminator. I know a few people who sell parts, and im offloading most of the marines from the few boxes ill get.

Looks like it won't be too difficult to excise the funnel from Pat's feet. Might need something else to put there, though.

Imateria wrote:One thing to remember, we haven't seen any rules for the Familiers yet. I'm quite interested to see what they do and how they work.

They poke the eyes out of your protocol servitors.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Stormwall wrote:
This seems like a horrible deal if you only want 4-5 of the Death watch marines.

I've not been following so please forgive my ignorance if I am wrong.

Given that plastic blisters are tending to be around $30 each now, you're looking at $150 for those 4-5 Deathwatch Marines.

$165 nets you 11 Deathwatch members(Iron Hand, Raven Guard[Jump Pack], Ultramarine, Imperial Fist, White Scar on Bike[who would probably be $35-$40ish], Blood Angel[Jump Pack], Space Wolf, Dark Angel, Salamander[Terminator Armor], along with Cassius and a Librarian) plus all the Genestealer Cult stuff.

So $165 for the boxed game...or $330 for JUST the Deathwatch contingent.

But the Deathwatch sprues are not cut for individual clampacks so I don't see how their typical pricing for individual characters is in any way relevant. I mean who in their right mind is going to go out and buy 11 SM characters at $30 a pop for all different chapters? I dare GW to release 11 plastic minis for $330. In fact I triple dog dare them!

Plastic clamshell characters at the $30 price range:
Sanguinary Priest, Blood Angels Librarian in Terminator Armour, Space Marine Captain, Space Marine Librarian, Dark Angels Interrogator Chaplain, Wolf Lord Krom, Ulrik the Slayer, Space Wolves Iron Priest.
That's 8 SM characters at $30 a pop. Of those, 3(Krom, Ulrik, Iron Priest) just came out in the last few weeks. The rest are at least a year old.

Space Marine Librarian in Terminator Armor is $31.

Each of the plastic Assassins is $32(but they don't count because they're not Space Marines).

The Blood Angels Captain in Terminator Armor and Blood Angels Chaplain with Jump Pack are $33 each, same with the Eldar Farseer/Warlock Skyrunner kit.

The last of the plastic blisters is $36 for the Techpriest Dominus. The Ork Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun is $37, but also is a boxed set so skates by on a technicality.

Plastic blister prices are friggin' weird.

 Vermis wrote:
Looks like it won't be too difficult to excise the funnel from Pat's feet. Might need something else to put there, though.

Imateria wrote:One thing to remember, we haven't seen any rules for the Familiers yet. I'm quite interested to see what they do and how they work.

They poke the eyes out of your protocol servitors.

Spoiler:

Kek... so true

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Stormwall wrote:
This seems like a horrible deal if you only want 4-5 of the Death watch marines.

I've not been following so please forgive my ignorance if I am wrong.

Given that plastic blisters are tending to be around $30 each now, you're looking at $150 for those 4-5 Deathwatch Marines.

$165 nets you 11 Deathwatch members(Iron Hand, Raven Guard[Jump Pack], Ultramarine, Imperial Fist, White Scar on Bike[who would probably be $35-$40ish], Blood Angel[Jump Pack], Space Wolf, Dark Angel, Salamander[Terminator Armor], along with Cassius and a Librarian) plus all the Genestealer Cult stuff.

So $165 for the boxed game...or $330 for JUST the Deathwatch contingent.

But the Deathwatch sprues are not cut for individual clampacks so I don't see how their typical pricing for individual characters is in any way relevant. I mean who in their right mind is going to go out and buy 11 SM characters at $30 a pop for all different chapters? I dare GW to release 11 plastic minis for $330. In fact I triple dog dare them!

Plastic clamshell characters at the $30 price range:
Sanguinary Priest, Blood Angels Librarian in Terminator Armour, Space Marine Captain, Space Marine Librarian, Dark Angels Interrogator Chaplain, Wolf Lord Krom, Ulrik the Slayer, Space Wolves Iron Priest.
That's 8 SM characters at $30 a pop. Of those, 3(Krom, Ulrik, Iron Priest) just came out in the last few weeks. The rest are at least a year old.

Space Marine Librarian in Terminator Armor is $31.

Each of the plastic Assassins is $32(but they don't count because they're not Space Marines).

The Blood Angels Captain in Terminator Armor and Blood Angels Chaplain with Jump Pack are $33 each, same with the Eldar Farseer/Warlock Skyrunner kit.

The last of the plastic blisters is $36 for the Techpriest Dominus. The Ork Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun is $37, but also is a boxed set so skates by on a technicality.

Plastic blister prices are friggin' weird.

Part of the issue with the pricing is that these aren't, for the most part, fancy Independent Characters that you can join to a unit. The overwhelming majority (7 of the 11) are Vanguard or Sternguard Vets with fewer options than the Sternguard box and different shoulder pads/elbows. Sternguard Vets are 60 bucks for 5, so the $30 per model price tag is ludicrous. $30 for Cassius and the Librarian is reasonable. $30 or more for a non-IC Terminator or a non-IC Biker is also ludicrous. I'm not sure why anyone would ever want to field either if you can't join them to a squad (outside a single less than useful Formation).

Realistically, you're looking at 5 Sternguard Vets at 12 bucks a pop, 2 Vanguard Vets at 10 bucks a pop, 2 fancy Power Armored ICs at 30 bucks a pop, a Biker and a Terminator. Terminators are normally 12 bucks a pop in the recent, nicer looking kits. Bikers are a littler over 13 each for the most recent fancy Biker kit (Black Knights). Let's multiple the Terminator and Biker prices by 1.5 to account for the fancier looking details and also just to be nice.

My estimate is that these models are worth closer to 177 USD if we actually look at comparable kits. You can't say that Squad Donatus should cost 150 USD (5 x 30 USD) when it's really just a Sternguard Kit with fewer weapon options and Deathwatch themed detailing. If anything, 60 USD might be a generous valuation for a 5 man Sternguard kit lacking cutomization options.

 Kriswall wrote:

Part of the issue with the pricing is that these aren't, for the most part, fancy Independent Characters that you can join to a unit. The overwhelming majority (7 of the 11) are Vanguard or Sternguard Vets with fewer options than the Sternguard box and different shoulder pads/elbows. Sternguard Vets are 60 bucks for 5, so the $30 per model price tag is ludicrous. $30 for Cassius and the Librarian is reasonable. $30 or more for a non-IC Terminator or a non-IC Biker is also ludicrous. I'm not sure why anyone would ever want to field either if you can't join them to a squad (outside a single less than useful Formation).

People said the same thing about the Solitaire. "Who would buy one when you can just build one from the bits in a Harlequin box?"

Realistically, you're looking at 5 Sternguard Vets at 12 bucks a pop, 2 Vanguard Vets at 10 bucks a pop, 2 fancy Power Armored ICs at 30 bucks a pop, a Biker and a Terminator. Terminators are normally 12 bucks a pop in the recent, nicer looking kits. Bikers are a littler over 13 each for the most recent fancy Biker kit (Black Knights). Let's multiple the Terminator and Biker prices by 1.5 to account for the fancier looking details and also just to be nice.

My estimate is that these models are worth closer to 177 USD if we actually look at comparable kits. You can't say that Squad Donatus should cost 150 USD (5 x 30 USD) when it's really just a Sternguard Kit with fewer weapon options and Deathwatch themed detailing. If anything, 60 USD might be a generous valuation for a 5 man Sternguard kit lacking cutomization options.

Squad Donatus is a weird one. I'm genuinely surprised we didn't see individual datasheets for each member.

But you can't make the assumption of "less variation than a Sternguard kit" or things of that nature based upon a boxed game.

So having not pre-orderd before whats the del time like ? Is it dispatched so it turns up fri/sat or is it dispatched on the sat so it turns up tuesday ish ? From gw ?

 Kanluwen wrote:


But you can't make the assumption of "less variation than a Sternguard kit" or things of that nature based upon a boxed game.

Exactly. I paid $60 for a 5 man sternguard box that didn't have all the weapon options I needed for the loadout I was building. The DWO marines have a predefined loadout, like Space Hulk and clampack characters, so if someone wanted to kit them out differently it would require converting no matter what. Some people are strictly WYSIWYG, and some have no problem proxying.

In the end it all boils down to personal taste and what you plan to do with the minis to determine if there's value in it for you or not.

I only really want Cassius and an upgrade sprue.

'sall I ever wanted.


*sob*

So from Saturday we should be able to play some demo games in GW stores and ogle the minis right!? Today my local were taunting me that they had a box out back!

Damn, these models look nice~

OMFG. The Genestealer sprues look AWESOME. BoLS has some leaks. The Patriarch makes me so excited. I love all the modern GW plastic robes/capes/belted robes, a la Harlequins, Sanguinary Priest, Kurtha Sedd, etc.!!

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/02/40k-breaking-new-genestealer-cult-sprue-pictures.html





With these, plus the shoulder pads being separated, I think I may have to up my preorder to 2 sets :X

Damn son, dat sprue efficiency!

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

But the Deathwatch sprues are not cut for individual clampacks so I don't see how their typical pricing for individual characters is in any way relevant. I mean who in their right mind is going to go out and buy 11 SM characters at $30 a pop for all different chapters? I dare GW to release 11 plastic minis for $330. In fact I triple dog dare them!

I don't think they will, I think people are only using that comparison based on the similarity in quality and detail between the $30 clampack characters and the DWO marines.

Does resin count? The Primarch collection is 11 minis for GBP670... $1k+

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Rainyday wrote:

I was speaking about it purely as a board game. Imagine if there wasn't a compatible miniatures game you were going to use the models for. If it were any other board game, players would cry foul if they had to buy extra boxes to transport their game around. If you bought a copy of Risk, or even a euro game like Carcasonne, and all the little plastic soldiers/meeple couldn't be put back into the box so you could haul it around, you wouldn't be happy.

Well, that's a problem with most boardgames that contain larger multi-piece models. Even if they're snap-fit the desire to put them back to pieces stops once you painted them.

I guess if you don't want to buy another box you just have to wrap the models, put them in the box and use a simple bag for the tiles, counters and cards.

Agreed - My Zombicide models don't get chucked back into the box once painted. Shadows of Brimstone has some BIG boys in it that won't fit back into the box. I agree that for many boardgames it's incredibly handy to be able to fit all of the components back into the box, but with Miniatures Boardgames it's often a bit different to those that use meeples.