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So, do you guys think this might be another 911? In terms of how it will be treated and used or inspire future acts? I dont mean to devalue what happened, im just curious.

Well to be safe, we should cordon off California.

 CptJake wrote:
Remember Senator Ted Kennedy got put on the list.


Now, I am the opposite of a Ted Kennedy fan, but the example does show how fethed up the process (not that there is an actual formal process) is.

And that notorious trouble maker Yosef Islam (nee Cat Stevens)

I was in the office yesterday, and we have a tv mounted on the wall with news coverage. Somehow one of the 24/7s (I think it was CNN) managed to have a solid coverage of nothing but this story the entire time I was there. I wasn't close enough to it to listen to it all day, thankfully, but there's something just screwed up about that, unless they were repeating themselves every couple hours. Didn't look like it though.

I'm sure that's nothing insightful to most people, but I haven't watched tv news in some good 10+ years, so the fact that they could have so much to say on one thing is stunning to me, personally.

 Frazzled wrote:
Well to be safe, we should cordon off California.

Funny, I have been saying the same about Texas.

 CptJake wrote:
DoJ getting busy and promising to defend us and ensure resources are allocated towards the biggest threats.

Speaking to the audience at the Muslim Advocate's 10th anniversary dinner Thursday, Lynch said her "greatest fear" is the "incredibly disturbing rise of anti-Muslim rhetoric" in America and vowed to prosecute any guilty of what she deemed violence-inspiring speech. She said:

The fear that you have just mentioned is in fact my greatest fear as a prosecutor, as someone who is sworn to the protection of all of the American people, which is that the rhetoric will be accompanied by acts of violence. My message to not just the Muslim community but to the entire American community is: we cannot give in to the fear that these backlashes are really based on.

Assuring the pro-Muslim group that "we stand with you," Lynch said she would use her Justice Department to protect Muslims from "violence" and discrimination.

"When we talk about the First Amendment we [must] make it clear that actions predicated on violent talk are not American."

http://www.dailywire.com/news/1593/loretta-lynch-vows-prosecute-those-who-use-anti-james-barrett

So yeah, giving her the ability to strip folks of constitutional rights by adding them to a list is clearly the way forward.

Folks (including me) were upset at some of the aspects of the Patriot Act. The types of stuff being promoted by the current admin makes that look real tame.

Also factor in the potential abuse when politicians have called their opponents "terrorists" and people are disenfranchised with no legitimate reason by being placed on a secret list with no due process, and limited recourse.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
Remember Senator Ted Kennedy got put on the list.


Now, I am the opposite of a Ted Kennedy fan, but the example does show how fethed up the process (not that there is an actual formal process) is.

And that notorious trouble maker Yosef Islam (nee Cat Stevens)

Tea for the Tillerman was one of the 1st CDs I bought when I got a CD player back in like 1988.




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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So, do you guys think this might be another 911? In terms of how it will be treated and used or inspire future acts? I dont mean to devalue what happened, im just curious.

Define 'future acts'.

If you mean acts by the gov't to limit freedoms in the name of security, read some of what is being proposed. That is clearly being attempted.

If you mean further terrorist acts, Mumbai was a game changer. This, the Boston Marathon bombing, and future acts are the types of attacks we'll be facing. Plenty of radicalization going on and 'copy cat' type attacks are really just 'going with what works'.


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NBC reporter IN the apartment showing IDs, all kinds of stuff. Guess the FBI was too busy to cordon it off while the investigation is still going on.

But yeah, let them take away constitutional rights based on putting your name on a list...


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CNN inside now.


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gak, looks like the whole press corps is in the apartment right now.


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Holy compromised crime scenes Batman!

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So, do you guys think this might be another 911? In terms of how it will be treated and used or inspire future acts? I dont mean to devalue what happened, im just curious.

I don't think so. This is more like the Boston Marathon bombing than 9/11. People doesn't seem that shocked.

But yeah, it could be used to spy on Americans more, of course.

In case anyone who do not remember what one of those are....CD player....1988

Male is American born citizen
Female came over on a K1 Visa

Neighbors were suspicious of activity but did not call it in for fear of being considered racists or racial profiling.

Owner of apartment open it up for media to look through. Took down the plywood covering the door.

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Guy made 50K a year
So all the weapons and ammo...materials for pipebombs.....starting to come out they seem to be financed.
Optics on the rifles is a mil brand but there's knockoff version for cheaper

 LethalShade wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So, do you guys think this might be another 911? In terms of how it will be treated and used or inspire future acts? I dont mean to devalue what happened, im just curious.

I don't think so. This is more like the Boston Marathon bombing than 9/11. People doesn't seem that shocked.

But yeah, it could be used to spy on Americans more, of course.

Trust me, they don't wait for an excuse.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 LethalShade wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So, do you guys think this might be another 911? In terms of how it will be treated and used or inspire future acts? I dont mean to devalue what happened, im just curious.

I don't think so. This is more like the Boston Marathon bombing than 9/11. People doesn't seem that shocked.

But yeah, it could be used to spy on Americans more, of course.

Trust me, they don't wait for an excuse.

It seems we all have this problem, unfortunately.

Hey if they are confirmed as terrorist and trumps get in. Does this mean you guys go and kill their family? Trump did say get the terrorists family.

Arent they parents too? Cause that ould mean trump is advocating child murder.......Yeah that sounds like trump

Collective punishment is not the American Way.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Collective punishment is not the American Way.

Except in schools, the military, or prisons.

Granted, I don't speak from experience on the last two.

FBI is officially calling this an act of terrorism and is investigating it as such.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CALIFORNIA_SHOOTING_THE_LATEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-12-04-14-29-57

Associated Press wrote:The FBI says it is investigating the deadly mass shooting in California as an "act of terrorism."

David Bowdich, assistant director of the FBI's Los Angeles office, made the declaration at a news conference Friday in California.

He also said the shooters attempted to destroy evidence, including crushing two cellphones and discarding them in a trash can. He said authorities continue to investigate the case to understand the motivations of the shooters and whether they were planning more attacks.

Just saw this via twittah:

BREAKING NEWS: FBI calls California massacre an act of terror https://t.co/ZCwe3oy1mG

— Fox News Alert (@foxnewsalert) December 4, 2015

Just got real...

Seems like they're trying to kick up the hive to see who else is scurrying away from the attention...

EDIT: ninja'ed.

O'Reilly hammered his butt on that comment. (Trump)

Now I really wished Obama should have waited before making the comment that this was another typical mass shooting incident that only happens in the US of A.

Better dig deep in the investigation being I think the Xmas party was not the primary target.

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The Bearcats used in this are suppose to be turned over back to the Fed's today

It is now being said the woman made an online pledge to the leader of ISIS.

 Jihadin wrote:
Now I really wished Obama should have waited before making the comment that this was another typical mass shooting incident that only happens in the US of A

The reasons are different but the results are the same. Not sure how being exasperated that another mass shooting took place is somehow rendered inert by the fact that outside terrorism was the motive instead of domestic terrorism. I suppose if one wants to find a reason to hate on the president but doesn't want to use any of the actual reasons to be upset this would work. Any port in a storm I suppose.

Because he's using it as an excuse for more gun control and immediately jumped on it (despite California having some of the toughest laws in the US and all the ones he blabbers about).

From what im hearing, it is a combination of disgruntled worker being turned to radicalization for poor treatment

 Ahtman wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Now I really wished Obama should have waited before making the comment that this was another typical mass shooting incident that only happens in the US of A

The reasons are different but the results are the same. Not sure how being exasperated that another mass shooting took place is somehow rendered inert by the fact that outside terrorism was the motive instead of domestic terrorism. I suppose if one wants to find a reason to hate on the president but doesn't want to use any of the actual reasons to be upset this would work. Any port in a storm I suppose.

He's not hating, just expressing an opinion.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
From what im hearing, it is a combination of disgruntled worker being turned to radicalization for poor treatment

You must hearing different things then.

Relapse wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Now I really wished Obama should have waited before making the comment that this was another typical mass shooting incident that only happens in the US of A

The reasons are different but the results are the same. Not sure how being exasperated that another mass shooting took place is somehow rendered inert by the fact that outside terrorism was the motive instead of domestic terrorism. I suppose if one wants to find a reason to hate on the president but doesn't want to use any of the actual reasons to be upset this would work. Any port in a storm I suppose.

He's not hating, just expressing an opinion.

And I'm just expressing an opinion of an opinion. One only gets to comment if they are giving a reach around to the other person?

 Ahtman wrote:
One only gets to comment if they are giving a reach around to the other person?

I believe that's how the current administration conducts meetings at The White House.

 Ahtman wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Now I really wished Obama should have waited before making the comment that this was another typical mass shooting incident that only happens in the US of A

The reasons are different but the results are the same. Not sure how being exasperated that another mass shooting took place is somehow rendered inert by the fact that outside terrorism was the motive instead of domestic terrorism. I suppose if one wants to find a reason to hate on the president but doesn't want to use any of the actual reasons to be upset this would work. Any port in a storm I suppose.

He's not hating, just expressing an opinion.

And I'm just expressing an opinion of an opinion. One only gets to comment if they are giving a reach around to the other person?

No need to get sensitive and defensive.

Relapse wrote:
It is now being said the woman made an online pledge to the leader of ISIS.

It's kinda sad that that carries more weight than pulling .556 out of people's fourteen human skulls. Like without knowing motive we'd mistake this incident for rock concert or apple product launch.


What's the difference between a terrorist attack and a mass shooting assault-style event? Apparently a fething tweet or something.

Relapse wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Now I really wished Obama should have waited before making the comment that this was another typical mass shooting incident that only happens in the US of A

The reasons are different but the results are the same. Not sure how being exasperated that another mass shooting took place is somehow rendered inert by the fact that outside terrorism was the motive instead of domestic terrorism. I suppose if one wants to find a reason to hate on the president but doesn't want to use any of the actual reasons to be upset this would work. Any port in a storm I suppose.

He's not hating, just expressing an opinion.

And I'm just expressing an opinion of an opinion. One only gets to comment if they are giving a reach around to the other person?

No need to get sensitive and defensive.

Do I at least get a kiss?

Why I said earlier that his comment made should have taken into account of the Paris attack. Guess some view this still as "workplace violence" being it was his co-workers that the couple took out with two AR's and fire fight with LEO who called in a Bearcat for assistance. Who had a combat load for a platoon for grunts and pipe bombs to make a IEDer dream come true. Who left a six month old with his mom on their way to wage War on Xmas. Who we found out later used burner cells, destroyed hard drives, destroyed their current cells...Its like dealing with Insurgents again. Since the PP clinic in the building was not the target of this couple I guess we can rule out Christian Terrorists. Since he had an issue with a Co-Worker.....also there was a Jewish male who was killed in the room...who was friends with him. They did tease them on his beard he was growing out....I could keep it in focus of "workplace violence" being it was his co-workers the couple opted out. Lot's of ports in this storm all depends on what port one wants and to ignore everything else (ports)


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 Crablezworth wrote:

Relapse wrote:
It is now being said the woman made an online pledge to the leader of ISIS.

It's kinda sad that that carries more weight than pulling .556 out of people's fourteen human skulls. Like without knowing motive we'd mistake this incident for rock concert or apple product launch.


What's the difference between a terrorist attack and a mass shooting assault-style event? Apparently a fething tweet or something.

The dynamics of the attack

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Then again disregard what I said being I might be talking out my arse like someone else said earlier in thread

The FBI's criteria for domestic terrorism is subjective as hell.