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I don't play Dwarves or have ever played against them in my time playing Fantasy (not a popular army around here) but do the salamander dinosaur things go with this army? I feel they are trying to sell more dwarves because everyone likes the big Dino's of Lizardmen? Seems weird to me?

Pugnacious_Cee wrote:It feels like there are a lot of people here hating on this stuff *just* for the joy in mutual commiseration because it's AoS and/or because it's GW.

Personally, I feel these are stiff, generic (not in a good way), relatively boring dwarfs, that people squee about mostly because... it's AoS and/or because it's GW. I really do think that if these were brought out by WGF, or Mantic, there might be even more 'hating' on them, but perhaps not by the same people.

I'm trying to like those salamander/lizard/dragon things, but y'know what, I'll level the same criticism at them. They go for the same loadsa-horns, millionsa-spikes, giant-chunky-awkward-scale-plates, squared-off bigged-chinned not-Zilla face that too many dragon concepts seem to be converging on, these days. They look like the plastic carnosaur (which I liked) with a couple of extra, AoS, up-to-eleven layers.

Oh, and explaining how 'Vulcatrix' is a feminine portmanteau of 'Vulcan' doesn't really make it sound much more clever. Kinda the reverse. Especially if we already get it. It's a step above something like 'bloodsecrator', but not much.

And another vague link to 40K with the name 'Vulcan' associated with 'salamanders'... not exactly helping either.

 chiefbigredman wrote:
I don't play Dwarves or have ever played against them in my time playing Fantasy (not a popular army around here) but do the salamander dinosaur things go with this army? I feel they are trying to sell more dwarves because everyone likes the big Dino's of Lizardmen? Seems weird to me?

As of right now, we don't know the exact fluff of this new army. Fyreslayers are just that for all intents and purposes:
A new army.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
I don't play Dwarves or have ever played against them in my time playing Fantasy (not a popular army around here) but do the salamander dinosaur things go with this army? I feel they are trying to sell more dwarves because everyone likes the big Dino's of Lizardmen? Seems weird to me?

As of right now, we don't know the exact fluff of this new army. Fyreslayers are just that for all intents and purposes:
A new army.

Ah okay! Seems I'm a little out of the loop.
I haven't really been paying much attention to age of sigmar very much since I'm still playing 8th Ed and I don't think I want to play age of sigmar....all I'm waiting for is new beasties for my beloved ratmen but I am not too hopeful since they got their end times release (please GW make new plague monks and plastic jezzails!!!)

Or at least a variation of the Duardin Keyword.

Kinda like the Beserker Cult of Khorne and regular chaos warriors.

 chiefbigredman wrote:
all I'm waiting for is new beasties for my beloved ratmen but I am not too hopeful since they got their end times release (please GW make new plague monks and plastic jezzails!!!)

And plastic globadiers that don't cost seven quid a pop... ah, who am I kidding?

 Thunderfrog wrote:

Or at least a variation of the Duardin Keyword.

Truthfully, it looks like we're going to get "mini-armies" before we see the "original flavor" revised for stuff.

I fully expect to see a "Steamhead" book at some point in time, then possibly a "Duardin" book later on combining the Steamheads, Fyreslayers, and Dispossessed.

Yea.

This is probably what GW meant when they said that old units would be useable, but wouldn't match the aesthetic of the new units coming out.

 Vermis wrote:

Oh, and explaining how 'Vulcatrix' is a feminine portmanteau of 'Vulcan' doesn't really make it sound much more clever. Kinda the reverse. Especially if we already get it. It's a step above something like 'bloodsecrator', but not much.

The point was to show that AoS takes its inspirations directly from Roman and Greek mythology. That whole "turned up to eleven" thing is a result of building a game around the age of mythology - where a goddess sprung forth from headaches, abandoned twins were raised by wolves, all the evil in the world was kept in a box, and gods had two faces so they could look both towards the past and the future. Sigmar (his own name probably a variation of the Norse hero, Sigurd) even wields a hammer with lightning bolts like Jupiter/Zeus. Everything about AoS is meant to draw comparison to and inspire the feeling of this sort of mythology - complete with "turned up to eleven" imagery, with legends of how the dwarf god fought the fire god for weeks, destroying mountain ranges in their fury. And that's awesome. I love that there is fantasy out there that takes its inspirations from somewhere other than Tolkien. But you kinda have to be familiar with something other than Tolkien to appreciate it, I guess.

And yes, a name like Vulcatrix draws from Latin and Roman mythology for exactly this purpose. I'm not saying it's clever. I'm saying it's consistent. And the folks who like to say that AoS has juvenile names that sound like Pokemon are proving ignorant to spirit of which AoS has been created. If you know a bit about that sort of stuff, then naming the female Salamander god of fire "Vulcatrix" makes sense (though not strictly grammatically correct; it's also not a portmanteau, Vulpix is). If you can name more Pikachu evolutions than Roman myths, Age of Sigmar must seem quite foreign indeed.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

Truthfully, it looks like we're going to get "mini-armies" before we see the "original flavor" revised for stuff.

I fully expect to see a "Steamhead" book at some point in time, then possibly a "Duardin" book later on combining the Steamheads, Fyreslayers, and Dispossessed.

I wouldn't think so. They released an Everchosen BattleTome with just 4 battle scrolls inside. I suspect the Fyreslayers will probably be on par in size with the Stormcast, with a BattleTome released in 4-6 weeks. I think Alliances have replaced armies, and the smaller, more specific factions are the new order of things.

 Vermis wrote:

 chiefbigredman wrote:
all I'm waiting for is new beasties for my beloved ratmen but I am not too hopeful since they got their end times release (please GW make new plague monks and plastic jezzails!!!)

And plastic globadiers that don't cost seven quid a pop... ah, who am I kidding?

One can dream my friend!!!

And the folks who like to say that AoS has juvenile names..

..point to things like Sigmarite, Bloodsecrators, Bloodstokers, and Skull Grinders.

The first is silly.
The second is waaaay too over the top to not be a comically inept villain from a saturday morning cartoon.
The third makes me think it's a Dracula pun.
The fourth seems obscene, I didn't know Slaanesh taught Khorne another use for the eye sockets in the skulls. Lube it up with a little gore and go to town I guess.

I -like- Age of Sigmar. I'm running a convention that features it in July. But the names are kinda dumb, even if the basis of it's fantasy isn't a dumb as most people think. (I agree it's nice to see historicalish/mythology fantasy over Tolkien for a change.)

 Sqorgar wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Truthfully, it looks like we're going to get "mini-armies" before we see the "original flavor" revised for stuff.

I fully expect to see a "Steamhead" book at some point in time, then possibly a "Duardin" book later on combining the Steamheads, Fyreslayers, and Dispossessed.

I wouldn't think so. They released an Everchosen BattleTome with just 4 battle scrolls inside. I suspect the Fyreslayers will probably be on par in size with the Stormcast, with a BattleTome released in 4-6 weeks. I think Alliances have replaced armies, and the smaller, more specific factions are the new order of things.

Well, for now they might be.
But that was why I said that I fully expect to see a "Steamhead" book, then possibly a "Duardin" book later on.

Everchosen, by the by, only has 3 Warscrolls(units) within. Gaunt Summoner, Archaon, and the Varanguard. There are an additional 6 Warscroll Battalions(bigger formations) contained within as well.

Overlords of Chaos is Archaon, a Gaunt Summoner, and Varanguard.
There's a Warscroll Battalion for each of the four Chaos Powers, with benefits for taking units numbering a multiple of the Powers' sacred number.
Then there's "Archaon's Grand Host" which is the Overlords of Chaos plus a number of the other Warscroll Battalions.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
I think I've decided upon the Hearthguard Bezerkers as my first set. Now, to equip them with Poleaxes or Broadaxes...

The poleaxes have more bite with the potential Mortal Wound, but really it comes down to which looks better - I don't think we've seen the Broadaxes yet.

Are they not the guys with two axes behind the Priest?

The guys with two axes are the Vulkite Bezerkers right? (The kit of 10). Then we have the dual kit that makes Auric Hearthguard and Hearthguard Bezerkers, but from the later (the Hearthguard Bezerkers) we have only seen the poleaxe option built (the long two handed axe with the flail brazier attached) and haven't seen the alternative "broadaxe" option which is listed on the Warscroll (which I imagine to be a single heavy two-sided axe)

notprop wrote:

migooo wrote:
...and why do dwarfs have wizards now??

They had them in 3rd edition so I guess they refound their mojo in the bubble realms...?

Possible... Then again chaos dwarfs had them so okay.

Red_Zeke wrote:

migooo wrote:
hearthguard leaders name is Karl... and why do dwarfs have wizards now??

He's a priest?

ehhh priests dont tend to create lava unless were going forgotten realms

Kanluwen wrote:

migooo wrote:
hearthguard leaders name is Karl...

All of the unit leaders are given the honorific of "Karl". Kinda like "Huskarl".

and why do dwarfs have wizards now??

Read the keywords.
Order, Duardin, Fyreslayers, Hero, Priest, Auric Runemaster

Priest not Wizard.

okay fine Huskarl but Karl by itself seems silly they could use Huskarl but no it has to sound supaawesome... it really doesnt

EDIT: Nope. Nope nope nope nope, I won't be baited. If you like AoS, great, enjoy.

 Bottle wrote:
I think I've decided upon the Hearthguard Bezerkers as my first set. Now, to equip them with Poleaxes or Broadaxes...

The poleaxes have more bite with the potential Mortal Wound, but really it comes down to which looks better - I don't think we've seen the Broadaxes yet.

I think I'm going to buy a box of these guys just to model. I quite like their look!

I think the Hearthguard look terrible =/ but the Slayers are a lot better... I wonder if anyone might try trimming down the helmet plumes, might make them look more intimidating?

The main drawback to all the kits is just how monopose they are, though... even with a small unit and not having them ranked up, it's still really visible when they're all holding those flamers the same way!

Im in the "too naked" camp myself. The models do have some nice parts (hair, axes, general detail) but as someone else said they sort of look like naked, pudgy babies.

Do like the fire dragon thing however.

Teaser video is up on GW's NZ site:

The 'Eavy Metal shield armed Bezerkers looks so much better, especially with it modelled to the front. I wonder if it's possible to do 10 like that or maybe 5 of each style to get mostly sensible shield positions?

I think I'll end up buying a lot of the spare weapon bits to bling up my AoW berserkers. If the heads are separate, I'll take some of them, too, even if some of the Mohawks look like tipped-over stacks of Pringles.

These guys need to be painted up like the movie 300.

GW's showcase videos have certainly improved!

That video is great. In the opening you see the battle standard guy that leaked in December. I love those models and I'm glad they're bulky and given some height with the helmets.

I have to admit, the stills we've been having of these little ginger fellas previously left me with the impression they were pretty rubbish looking miniatures but that teaser vid has completely changed my mind on that front, when you can see them in 3D like that they do look quite spectacular.

I'm pretty surprised in all honesty!

Ibis wrote:
I have to admit, the stills we've been having of these little ginger fellas previously left me with the impression they were pretty rubbish looking miniatures but that teaser vid has completely changed my mind on that front, when you can see them in 3D like that they do look quite spectacular.

I'm pretty surprised in all honesty!

I've been trying to think of the word to describe them. The video finally convinced me. They look sterile. Clinically good, well painted, but lifeless.
These have no character compared to the squats the latest warhammer visions had in it.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
They look sterile. Clinically good, well painted, but lifeless.

That is the best description I have seen of GW's AoS releases overall. Thank you for summing up a feeling I previously couldn't put my finger on.

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

I've been trying to think of the word to describe them. The video finally convinced me. They look sterile. Clinically good, well painted, but lifeless.
These have no character compared to the squats the latest warhammer visions had in it.

Lifeless? They have all sorts of actiony poses, swinging their axes, with the flails flying around behind them. Lifeless? No way. Lacking charm? Maybe. But not lifeless. Want to see some lifeless models? Go check out WHFB with all the models all scrunched up to fit on their tiny, square bases. The Warriors of Chaos all have the posture of Frankenstein's monster.

$85NZD for FIVE models???? Holy gak, just when I think GW have floored me with their pricing, they go and up themselves yet again.

For comparison, the Ironbreakers and Longbeards that came out not all that long ago were only $80NZD for TEN. These are more than double the price.

They're almost the same price as SM Terminators.


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 Sqorgar wrote:

 Gimgamgoo wrote:

I've been trying to think of the word to describe them. The video finally convinced me. They look sterile. Clinically good, well painted, but lifeless.
These have no character compared to the squats the latest warhammer visions had in it.

Lifeless? They have all sorts of actiony poses, swinging their axes, with the flails flying around behind them. Lifeless? No way. Lacking charm? Maybe. But not lifeless. Want to see some lifeless models? Go check out WHFB with all the models all scrunched up to fit on their tiny, square bases. The Warriors of Chaos all have the posture of Frankenstein's monster.

I mentioned it earlier but to me it looks like the new stunties are babies flailing their arms because the arms are flailing around but the torsos are upright and plain. Dynamic arms + non-dynamic bodies = weird.

I was waiting, patiently, for the new dwarfs, to see what they did with them, this could..perhaps, have got me to play aos more regularly....

Sadly these models are terrible, not at all what I have come to expect from gw, I'm a massive dwarf fanboy, it takes a lot for me NOT to buy the latest dwarf goodness, between these models and the debacle of the aos rules, I'm done with Warhammer.... Gonna sadly sell my dwarfs and keep around 2k points for REALhammer games.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I mentioned it earlier but to me it looks like the new stunties are babies flailing their arms because the arms are flailing around but the torsos are upright and plain. Dynamic arms + non-dynamic bodies = weird.

I can see that. Some of them do look quite odd, but I'm quite fond of some of them - particularly the dude with the two outstretched arms holding axes. The NZ GW site has 360 views of some of the models and those look great. But the ones (particularly the Vulkite Berzerkers) with their arms up look strange. The Hearthguard and Runemaster are pretty sweet though.