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It's certainly possible that the while all 4 greater demons were done at the same time they didn't get the same endings

the blood thirster was a hit with management and gets a release (and a secondary release as a named character bloodthirster with an alternate sprue)

The Great Unclean One almost made it, but at the end of the day was diverted to become the Largest Glotkin brother

and the other two may have been sculpted but found wanting by management and at the end of the day they've decided to start again on them. Things do get abandoned even at pretty late stages of production especially if they wanted to work in some design queues from some of the upcoming AoS stuff that might have developed after these demons had been well underway

Sighhhhh. Perhaps 2017 will be the year CSM get a large revamp then

No Kroot supplement as rumored? Ah well, I'm used to it.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
I dunno, for a while there we got a codex every month and they were of little to no value aside from staying current - anything interesting was removed, there might be a little balance change to pimp whatever they'd just done a new model for, that was it. I'd rather sporadic releases of content that actually has value than monthly releases of completely gak books.

Releasing them over a period of time doesn't require writing them over a period of time. If, as we know they do not, GW were taking the rules side of their business remotely seriously they would be laying down -at the very least- the broad strokes of all the factions at the same time as they were writing the core rules of each edition(and nobody can tell me that's impossible or somehow unreasonable/"entitled" to ask for, because they've done it multiple times just not recently). Instead, as well all know, they have a nebulous "team" working on each book in series that changes membership seemingly on a whim and apparently write each in near-total isolation from the rest of the game with playtesting limited to a few games between the studio staff where they consider something to be finished and balanced if they can "gentlemen's agreement" their way through all the obvious flaws.

I know their output sucks, hence why I said I'd rather they took more time over books and produced a higher quality product than had rapid updates. I really doubt we can have both. It was a throwaway comment really. It sounds like we want different things from the books anyway.


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I don't much get why theyd have to write all the rules in one go to ever achieve balance either, seems like you've arrived at that and decided it's empirical.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Sighhhhh. Perhaps 2017 will be the year CSM get a large revamp then

Chaos Marines will not see any kind of actual release until the Cubs win the World Series, the Browns make the play-offs, the Jaguars win the Super Bowl & the Maple Leafs win the Stanley Cup.

Does their output seem a but "random" these days?

I remember they used to release multiple kits for factions all at the same time, I guess so customers can field them at once in their armies.

Now it seems like they release 1 or 2 kits for a faction, then wait a while and release another kit, then wait a while for another.

Are they just releasing less product and spreading out the releases?

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Sighhhhh. Perhaps 2017 will be the year CSM get a large revamp then

Chaos Marines will not see any kind of actual release until the Cubs win the World Series, the Browns make the play-offs, the Jaguars win the Super Bowl & the Maple Leafs win the Stanley Cup.

So, right after Bretonnians get their models then?

 mechanicalhorizon wrote:
Does their output seem a but "random" these days?

I remember they used to release multiple kits for factions all at the same time, I guess so customers can field them at once in their armies.

Now it seems like they release 1 or 2 kits for a faction, then wait a while and release another kit, then wait a while for another.

Are they just releasing less product and spreading out the releases?

You seem to misremember how GW used to release product. Yes, they did drop multiple kits at a time but they only did that once a month instead of the one or two a week that they do now. If there was too much for a single release, then you had to wait a month for the next release. Then you'd be lucky to see anything for your army at all for a few years until the army got a new codex. I don't see how GW's past release plan was better than what they have now.

 Ghaz wrote:

 mechanicalhorizon wrote:
Does their output seem a but "random" these days?

I remember they used to release multiple kits for factions all at the same time, I guess so customers can field them at once in their armies.

Now it seems like they release 1 or 2 kits for a faction, then wait a while and release another kit, then wait a while for another.

Are they just releasing less product and spreading out the releases?

You seem to misremember how GW used to release product. Yes, they did drop multiple kits at a time but they only did that once a month instead of the one or two a week that they do now. If there was too much for a single release, then you had to wait a month for the next release. Then you'd be lucky to see anything for your army at all for a few years until the army got a new codex. I don't see how GW's past release plan was better than what they have now.

Yeah, I totally agree.

Incidentally, GW releases WAY, WAY more product now than they used to. The number of plastic models produced far outstrips the ability of most people to actually buy, build, and paint everything, even if they were so inclined, had no monetary constraints, and had nothing else to do with their lives And, this wasn't always the case.

It often feels like GW isn't producing stuff, just because they're not producing stuff for the factions we care about. And, look at how many factions there are now -- 23 for 40k and 21 for AoS. Even if you strip away all of the factions that haven't had anything new forever (like Sisters, Inquisition, Brettonians, etc.) and the ones that have almost no models... there are still like, 30+. That's a lot of time between things for the faction you want them to do stuff for!

I would like New chaos marines and greater deamon of nurgle or tzeentch but I dont see that happening anytime soon.

Any real theory as to why they refuse to release the SoB's? There is a huge demand for new model SoB's, I believe raging heroes raised half a million for their version of them. Why does GW constantly neglect them? Would make for a massive codex too if they did the Inquisition with them.

 mjl7atlas wrote:
Any real theory as to why they refuse to release the SoB's? There is a huge demand for new model SoB's, I believe raging heroes raised half a million for their version of them. Why does GW constantly neglect them? Would make for a massive codex too if they did the Inquisition with them.

The metal models (mostly) still look good and the army was never that popular to begin with. However, I'm sure they are aware of the demand and I'm guessing they are in the early development stages for them....just a guess though. You gotta remember that doing Sisters of Battle would be a Dark Eldar scale release as you'd be making an entire factions' worth of plastic models and characters with - if I'm not mistaken - as many or more units than the full Skitarii + Cult Mechanicus forces, not including any new units they would likely add. Them and Chaos Space Marines are the two factions that require the largest updates by far and only the latter is seen as being a top seller (at least before their recent codices killed a lot of interest in them).

Caederes wrote:

 mjl7atlas wrote:
Any real theory as to why they refuse to release the SoB's? There is a huge demand for new model SoB's, I believe raging heroes raised half a million for their version of them. Why does GW constantly neglect them? Would make for a massive codex too if they did the Inquisition with them.

The metal models (mostly) still look good and the army was never that popular to begin with. However, I'm sure they are aware of the demand and I'm guessing they are in the early development stages for them....just a guess though. You gotta remember that doing Sisters of Battle would be a Dark Eldar scale release as you'd be making an entire factions' worth of plastic models and characters with - if I'm not mistaken - as many or more units than the full Skitarii + Cult Mechanicus forces, not including any new units they would likely add. Them and Chaos Space Marines are the two factions that require the largest updates by far and only the latter is seen as being a top seller (at least before their recent codices killed a lot of interest in them).

An entire DE army treatment would be awesome. It would be the first time I ever purchased an army en masse, much liek most DE players did when they got released. I can't believe after seeing the admech/skittarrii that robes and details are a problem on the SoB's sprues. Just release them already GW!

 mjl7atlas wrote:
Any real theory as to why they refuse to release the SoB's?

GW hates them and hates us too and want to see us suffer.

I still can't believe GW hasn't updated SoB to plastic.

So, another SoB thread then?

I hate to make people go bat-gak crazy, but Atia mentioned plastic Rubrics in a few posts on B&C. A few more down she said Rubrics are done.

So. That's cool.

So Sad Panda said that next year will have some 40k Tzeentch stuff, but not a codex or a Daemonkin. Atia said Rubric Marines are done. space wolves are due in February. So space wolves vs Thousands campaign then?

What do Space Wolves need that would warrant a release in February?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
GW hates them and hates us too and want to see us suffer.

Spoken like a true SoB player.

The more realistic reason is that they don't believe them financially viable. Unfortunately that's a Catch-22, they're not financially viable because they're a super-expensive metal (or resin) army with few options, and being a super-expensive metal (or resin) army with few options makes them not financially viable.

It's a shame really, because with a Dark Eldar-level shakeup they could become an amazing addition to 40K. I'd love to see that happen.

MacMuckles wrote:
What do Space Wolves need that would warrant a release in February?

Super Scouts? Vehicle squadrons? You know, stuff that can be handled in a three page PDF. But they will probably get their super formation too. And that is all fine and dandy if my BA get an update in the next few months following too. Also my Ork brothers and Dark Eldar sisters. Because screw the idea that inferior codexes should exist.

Krom Dragongaze in clampack, methinks.

Brometheus wrote:I hate to make people go bat-gak crazy, but Atia mentioned plastic Rubrics in a few posts on B&C. A few more down she said Rubrics are done.

So. That's cool.

Oh wow, hell to the *swear* yeah! If I'm not mistaken they would be the first Cult unit to get updated in a decade or so? Honestly if the models are good enough I'd probably be all over them even if they don't get a rules update.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
GW hates them and hates us too and want to see us suffer.

Spoken like a true SoB player.

The more realistic reason is that they don't believe them financially viable. Unfortunately that's a Catch-22, they're not financially viable because they're a super-expensive metal (or resin) army with few options, and being a super-expensive metal (or resin) army with few options makes them not financially viable.

It's a shame really, because with a Dark Eldar-level shakeup they could become an amazing addition to 40K. I'd love to see that happen.

This sums it up better than I did, people don't play the army because of how expensive and unwieldy it is, but similarly it would cost GW a fortune to make it in plastic and they probably don't have any true knowledge of whether it will be a big seller ala Adeptus Mechanicus.

 mjl7atlas wrote:
Any real theory as to why they refuse to release the SoB's? There is a huge demand for new model SoB's, I believe raging heroes raised half a million for their version of them. Why does GW constantly neglect them? Would make for a massive codex too if they did the Inquisition with them.

GW doesn't do market research and people tend to forget that the internet is a vocal minority.

The combination of those two factors means that GW is likely completely unaware of the demand for SoB, if it truly even exists. Maybe it doesn't- maybe Sisters aren't actually even all that popular compared to the other factions. Again, since GW doesn't do any research it's not like we have any statistics, and personal anecdotes are generally meaningless.

 Brometheus wrote:
I hate to make people go bat-gak crazy, but Atia mentioned plastic Rubrics in a few posts on B&C. A few more down she said Rubrics are done.

So. That's cool.

Out of curiousity could you link to her post, please?

I sure will, ill edit this post after coffee.

Here: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316968-sad-panda-replies-to-csm-talk-on-dakka/page-2

Honestly I'm just waiting for Chaos update... I want so badly to rekindle my traitorous thoughts, but not with the current state of the Codex, and not with them still having models that I can remember when they were released, and I haven't played since 2000-ish. Like seriously, I remember the month the Khorne Berzerker plastic kit came out (and there was much rejoicing back then; I eagerly went to my FLGS to pick up a box), and I vaguely remember the plastic CSM squad coming out too although that was when I was getting out of the hobby.

 Nicky J wrote:
Krom Dragongaze in clampack, methinks.

"Space Wolves Wolf Lord" is likely what it will be labeled as.
Krom Dragongaze's rules only exist in the "Stormclaw" booklet, and they haven't reprinted Karlaen(the recent Blood Angels Terminator Captain) anywhere that I'm aware of.

I'd also suggest that we might see an Iron, Rune, or Wolf Priest clamshell.
We COULD potentially see a plastic Techmarine and Servitors box that could accept the various "Chapter Upgrade" sprues we've seen lately so people can make an Iron Priest.

Chikout wrote:
So Sad Panda said that next year will have some 40k Tzeentch stuff, but not a codex or a Daemonkin. Atia said Rubric Marines are done. space wolves are due in February. So space wolves vs Thousands campaign then?

It'd be some good synergy with the 30K side, since signs point to the Prospero book being out later in 2016.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Nicky J wrote:
Krom Dragongaze in clampack, methinks.

"Space Wolves Wolf Lord" is likely what it will be labeled as.
Krom Dragongaze's rules only exist in the "Stormclaw" booklet, and they haven't reprinted Karlaen(the recent Blood Angels Terminator Captain) anywhere that I'm aware of.

I'd also suggest that we might see an Iron, Rune, or Wolf Priest clamshell.
We COULD potentially see a plastic Techmarine and Servitors box that could accept the various "Chapter Upgrade" sprues we've seen lately so people can make an Iron Priest.

Karlaen received a Dataslate that had his rules in it recently. They will likely do the same for Krom. Release the model as a generic plastic Wolf Lord, then release a Dataslate so it can be used as Krom. It is actually not a terrible thing that they are doing this, it gives people that missed these miniatures a chance to get them. I get that there will be some sour grapes from the people that bought them thinking they were exclusive (the wording actually makes it pretty obvious they would be released later), but it is hardly the end of the world.

I am hoping they release the Strike Force Ultra Captain in Clampack form, I never got him.

As for a generic...thing that people could use the Chapter Upgrades to make, I don't think that will happen. Look at the Blood Angels exclusive Terminator Librarian and Chaplain, why make a single universal model when you can make two models? GW Logic.

I am still hoping that they will release upgrade sprue for some of the other Codex Space Marines armies. Wouldn't mind a Super Formation for each of the other Chapter Tactics in C:SM (and SW and BA) as well.