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Here's a 101st AB with a Kukri

apparently machetes and Kukris (bought from/traded with the Commonwealth forces when training in Britain) were very desireable for a) clearing brush and b) hacking at tangled parachutes if you fell in a tree

101 AB officers in Holland w/ machete

 judgedoug wrote:

decker_cky wrote:
As I said - hopefully Warlord provides a credit or something to their LGS for sales of BA2 books that allows them to make an offer that's even close to comparable.

The hardback price is crazy, since you get the hardback, a Patton figure, and a plastic infantry set for less than the price of a plastic infantry set.

Warlord offers the exact same website deals to their retail trade accounts. (For example, when it was "buy a starter set and get a free tank", they offered the same to the trade retail stores). However, (sweeping generalization fallacy ahead!) since most LGS owners are incompetent, lazy, or dishonest, they offers wind up not being extended to customers and they put the freebies as stock to sell on their shelves while complaining that online sales are ruining their livelihoods

Depressingly true in many cases

I haven't recieved a discount code, and neither have any of my friends, we've all bought stuff but not the rulebook from Warlord. Is anyone aware of the criteria to be eligable for it?

Might be a slow roll-out.

Street date is officially SEPTEMBER 10

 winnertakesall wrote:
I haven't recieved a discount code, and neither have any of my friends, we've all bought stuff but not the rulebook from Warlord. Is anyone aware of the criteria to be eligable for it?

I haven't got one either, but I did get their newsletter today.

I was hoping to get the discount code.

Is it just for the main rule book, or is it for the starter set?

Mine specifically says:

Upgrade Offer

As an existing Bolt Action customer, you're eligible for our special Upgrade Offer:

Choose either the Rulebook or the Starter Set and get a FREE plastic infantry set. See below for full details...

Hurry - this offer is only available for pre-orders, ending on September 5th.

... I have purchased Bolt Action product direct from them, so perhaps that is the criteria?

Yeah, I've purchased bolt action stuff from them before aswell, and my friends have purchased various things including army books, but still nothing.

I've purchased directly from them as well.

And you're signed up for the newsletter? Hmm...

Yep. I guess it isn't too big a deal. I contacted the folks at NWS who sell a lot of Warlord stuff in the US and who I also bought from to see if they will offer the deal as well (I know they've offered all the Warlord deals I can think of).

 judgedoug wrote:

decker_cky wrote:
As I said - hopefully Warlord provides a credit or something to their LGS for sales of BA2 books that allows them to make an offer that's even close to comparable.

The hardback price is crazy, since you get the hardback, a Patton figure, and a plastic infantry set for less than the price of a plastic infantry set.

Warlord offers the exact same website deals to their retail trade accounts. (For example, when it was "buy a starter set and get a free tank", they offered the same to the trade retail stores). However, (sweeping generalization fallacy ahead!) since most LGS owners are incompetent, lazy, or dishonest, they offers wind up not being extended to customers and they put the freebies as stock to sell on their shelves while complaining that online sales are ruining their livelihoods

I've been told the exact opposite by my LGS owner - that Warlord online deals and bundles are not available to LGS ordering from Warlord, and he's acutely aware that he's losing sales to Warlord direct because of it.

Warlord is great when ordering directly, but when you want to order something through your own store, good fething luck. I wanted Armoured Fury, but they never shipped it to the store, in the end we both just gave up on the game and Warlord in general.

decker_cky wrote:
I've been told the exact opposite by my LGS owner - that Warlord online deals and bundles are not available to LGS ordering from Warlord, and he's acutely aware that he's losing sales to Warlord direct because of it.

Your LGS owner either doesn't have a trade account, doesn't read the newsletters, or is lying to you. I guess pick one.

Screenshot from the August Trade Newsletter. This has been standard operating procedure.

Or another alternative isn't quick enough off the mark,

a fair number of these have (in the past) been time limited offers so unavailable if the store owner has waited to see if there's demand for something once it's come out rather than pre-ordering

 BrookM wrote:
Warlord is great when ordering directly, but when you want to order something through your own store, good fething luck. I wanted Armoured Fury, but they never shipped it to the store, in the end we both just gave up on the game and Warlord in general.

I do not have experience with the Netherlands when it comes to their operations; only the United States. However, retail trade orders are shipped UPS Worldwide Expedited prepaid customs so arrive from the UK to anywhere in the USA within 2 business days. They also give excellent margins to retailers, something like 8 points better than GW's margins, and usually operate on Net 30-45 terms.


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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Or another alternative isn't quick enough off the mark,

a fair number of these have (in the past) been time limited offers so unavailable if the store owner has waited to see if there's demand for something once it's come out rather than pre-ordering

They get sent to the retailers well in advance so they can prepare orders. Even the shortest time offers are a one month window with usually a one month lead time. In this case about 6 weeks from the date this email was sent to the release date


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I'd also like to point out that the 15% off Starter Armies that Warlord has been running for a couple months on the website, has also been available to trade/retailers (their cost is reduced by 15% of the MSRP) - so if your FLGS is not offering the same, you can surmise they either don't have a trade account, don't read the newsletters, don't care, or don't want to extend the discount to you.

 winnertakesall wrote:
I haven't recieved a discount code, and neither have any of my friends, we've all bought stuff but not the rulebook from Warlord. Is anyone aware of the criteria to be eligable for it?

Have you emailed Warlord customer support? Their mailing list might have crapped out, It's worth a try.

Man... $40 for the new rulebook, a plastic kit and fething Blood and Guts Patton himself? Dayumn. I guess now is a good time to expand my US armored force haha.

Quick summary of tweaks and changes. Here's the quote about templates:

"It's as simple as, instead of rolling when you hit with HE, instead of rolling 2d6 and finding out how many hits was caused and then apply, you just place the template to see how many hits was caused, and apply.
So it literally, the placing of the template replaces the roll of the dice.

There is no scattering of the template, nothing like that. So it's very straightforward. If you miss, you miss. You don't worry about where it goes."

In the video they show pics of the templates - the big one has scatter marks, but I'm guessing that is for the off-board artillery which has always had a scatter due to the size of the blasts (7-12") hitting multiple units including your own hah

Yeah no email for me ether I did get the free £10 voucher one a few weeks back and the free postage one . Maybe they are being sent out in batches

Now are those WW1 planes in the background? Could this be a possible official WW1 expansion?

 judgedoug wrote:

decker_cky wrote:
As I said - hopefully Warlord provides a credit or something to their LGS for sales of BA2 books that allows them to make an offer that's even close to comparable.

The hardback price is crazy, since you get the hardback, a Patton figure, and a plastic infantry set for less than the price of a plastic infantry set.

Warlord offers the exact same website deals to their retail trade accounts. (For example, when it was "buy a starter set and get a free tank", they offered the same to the trade retail stores). However, (sweeping generalization fallacy ahead!) since most LGS owners are incompetent, lazy, or dishonest, they offers wind up not being extended to customers and they put the freebies as stock to sell on their shelves while complaining that online sales are ruining their livelihoods

Very true.

When the Big book collections for FoW were coming out (D-Day. Desert War, etc) I was buying them from the local "F"LGS. One of the books around then came with a baggie of plastic bases. When I found out about that, guess where I found the bases? Yes - on his rack with a $25 price tag on them. When I told him that they were supposed to be freebies with the books (and that he needed to give me a set) he played dumb and only begrudgingly gave them to me after I found mention of it online via my phone. feth that guy, and his LGS, and all like him. Online and direct (almost) all the way, baby.


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 judgedoug wrote:
Here's a 101st AB with a Kukri

apparently machetes and Kukris (bought from/traded with the Commonwealth forces when training in Britain) were very desireable for a) clearing brush and b) hacking at tangled parachutes if you fell in a tree

I've got my grandfather's machete upstairs. Still in bloody good nick, too - though clearly well used.


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 master of ordinance wrote:
Now are those WW1 planes in the background? Could this be a possible official WW1 expansion?

Looks like the front cover of a WGI issue blown up to poster size in the background.

 Azazelx wrote:
<snip dishonest FLGS owner> Online and direct (almost) all the way, baby.

And people wonder why it's a failing business model? Though very off topic at this point.

 Azazelx wrote:
I've got my grandfather's machete upstairs. Still in bloody good nick, too - though clearly well used.

That's fantastic. On display I hope!

I was talking with a buddy about the free box set, and I realized
1) I had all the German infantry I'd ever need
2) I was immediately thinking about a second army, and
3) this was probably the idea all along!

I have over 70 plastic Germans, which makes another grenadier box unnecessary unless I really want to spam assault rifles. Of course, assault rifles are awesome, so...

Looks like the changes as seen in this demo game consist of

LMG = 4 shots (now 36" instead of 30")
MMG = 5 shots
HMG = not mentioned

Down order = -2 to hit (instead of -1)

No more shaped charge rule -1 to hit rule.

18" range for assault rifle (instead of 24")

Captain and Major give their morale boost to a range up to 12" (instead of 6")
1st or 2nd LT still 6" range

Captain and Major can order two other units to ‘’act’’ at the same time. For example, you pick from the pouch an order dice, choose to activate the Captain, then you take 2 order dice from the pouch and give order to two units (who didn’t activate) within 12".
1st and 2nd LT, same as Captain or Major but 1 order dice within 6".

Transports can fire one weapon system even when empty.

Vehicle and infantry flamethrowers need to hit first (ignore cover) modifiers. Vehicle flamethrowers officially 12" range.

Air Observer - incoming air support - if the airplane receives 3 or more hits while coming to its target, the airstrike is over and done with (3 shots, instead of 5, to drive airplane away)

Artillery Observer - when rolling 1 on the chart to see if it comes or not, now you scatter 3D6" so you see where it lands (instead of opponent choosing anywhere within 24")

Dense/area terrain - cannot see from one side to another

If you roll double 1 on a command check, you can remove D6 pins.

Rally order: command check unmodified (ignore pins)

Recce: you can’t recce when you have an order die already assigned to you.

If you leave your order dice Down you lose D3 pins at the end of turn

Tanks on Advance have a limited target selection (no more Shermans spraying 4 targets)

DISCLAIMER: gathered from the them playing the rules in this video so not 100% positive they are final rulebook changes NOR are they all of the changes.

Air observer needed 6 shots to be driven away in BA1, and most pintle weapons gained +1 shot. Unless there's something that's changed in how the hits are caused, aircraft just became ridiculously fragile (2 MMGs will on average drive away a plane, while a third makes it a safe bet).

decker_cky wrote:
Air observer needed 6 shots to be driven away in BA1, and most pintle weapons gained +1 shot. Unless there's something that's changed in how the hits are caused, aircraft just became ridiculously fragile (2 MMGs will on average drive away a plane, while a third makes it a safe bet).

Yeah, almost like, if you want your air support now, you should try to suppress or destroy any anti-aircraft weaponry in the vicinity

 judgedoug wrote:

decker_cky wrote:
Air observer needed 6 shots to be driven away in BA1, and most pintle weapons gained +1 shot. Unless there's something that's changed in how the hits are caused, aircraft just became ridiculously fragile (2 MMGs will on average drive away a plane, while a third makes it a safe bet).

Yeah, almost like, if you want your air support now, you should try to suppress or destroy any anti-aircraft weaponry in the vicinity

I could maybe see americans working hard at it to get through one of their two planes. All things equal, other armies just won't consider it (particularly if the 1 is as devastating as in BA1).

In terms of the overall game, it's fine, but I think the option becomes one of those never consider options. Remember, pintle weapons get better, and if, as I suspect, transport rules improve, pintle weapons are easier to fit on the table, then the average army will be too well equipped with AA to consider air observers.

With the artillery observer becoming a lot less dangerous to the army firing it (a 1 isn't that bad), it looks like artillery will be the de facto observer to consider.

Obviously there's a lot of context to consider before making judgements, but so far it doesn't look good for air observers.

Very happy with the changes overall.

I think we'll see a lot of end-game airstrikes after AA is neutralized, instead of the current turn 1 "your entire army is pinned now" meta.

Sadly my LGS has also adopted the "not ordering until the release has gone so I can see if there is interest"......,,,, guaranteeing that I've got my order in with Warlord.

I know there are some good stores out there but the lack of foresight in many is basically guaranteeing many will go under come next year.

The change to shooting at planes seems sensible, they can pick off lone targets still but not do suicidal runs into tons of stuff. Templates less sure, positioning of troops has always been a bit loose previously whereas this now brings into play an importance for where they actually are.