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 Alpharius wrote:
It will probably warrant its own thread, actually.

I know that's the game I'm really looking forward to from Warlord!

Personally, my WWWII game of choice has been West Wind's Secrets of the Third Reich. Its got a nice combination of weird science and supernatural with some cool minis. The problem is the game has been in a coma for years now, with no new releases of miniatures or supplements. If Warlord can make a better go of it, building on their exisitng BA WWII fanbase, I might be tempted to switch systems.

Prestor Jon wrote:
Is there a release date set for the French army box for Agincourt? The previews look good so I'm looking forward to getting it.

Warlord has no plans of their own for HYW/Agincourt models - you may be thinking of the Perry Miniatures set? From what I understand they will release that early next year. Warlord is a distributor for Perry so I would think they'd be selling them shortly after Perry releases them.

 judgedoug wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:
Is there a release date set for the French army box for Agincourt? The previews look good so I'm looking forward to getting it.

Warlord has no plans of their own for HYW/Agincourt models - you may be thinking of the Perry Miniatures set? From what I understand they will release that early next year. Warlord is a distributor for Perry so I would think they'd be selling them shortly after Perry releases them.

My bad, with Warlord being their distributor and acquiring more companies I thought they had merged. I think I had them confused with Pro Gloria. One day they'll offer plastic landsknechts and take gobs of my money.

 mdauben wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
It will probably warrant its own thread, actually.

I know that's the game I'm really looking forward to from Warlord!

Personally, my WWWII game of choice has been West Wind's Secrets of the Third Reich. Its got a nice combination of weird science and supernatural with some cool minis. The problem is the game has been in a coma for years now, with no new releases of miniatures or supplements. If Warlord can make a better go of it, building on their exisitng BA WWII fanbase, I might be tempted to switch systems.

Ha!

Everyone knows I'm Dakka Dakka's biggest SoTR fan!

Well, OK, obviously not everyone...

I was crushed when the SoTR2 KS was cancelled.

I'm worried that SoTR might be in danger of...fading. They did recently put out a PDF with new stuff in it though, so there's hope...

I'm looking for something to keep my Weird War II gaming fires going though, so hopefully this will be it too.

Prestor Jon wrote:
My bad, with Warlord being their distributor and acquiring more companies I thought they had merged. I think I had them confused with Pro Gloria. One day they'll offer plastic landsknechts and take gobs of my money.

Yup, when those plastic Lansknechts come out, my credit card will be in danger of melting. The metal ones are already tempting enough! (especially since they have a deal on them):
http://us-store.warlordgames.com/collections/deals/products/standing-landsknecht-regiment-deal
http://us-store.warlordgames.com/collections/deals/products/advancing-landsknecht-regiment-deal
One of my buddies ordered the two deals together and they threw in a pack of casualties for free.

NEW RELEASES JANUARY 1 2016

NEW: M8/M20 GREYHOUND ARMOURED CAR

http://www.warlordgames.com/new-m8m20-greyhound-armoured-car/





http://us-store.warlordgames.com/products/m8-m20-greyhound-scout-car-plastic-box



NEW: PRE PAINTED BATTLE READY TANKS
http://www.warlordgames.com/new-pre-painted-battle-ready-tanks/

There's something 'off' about that M8. The turret looks far too tall and the hull seems too flat. I wonder if this was a rushed upscaling of the Italeri 1/72 scale M8?

looking at online images the major issue looks to be the base of the turret is thickened too much so it's riding a bit high, but it should sand down ok

Those "Pre-painted" tanks look like something you could reproduce with a green aerosol spray and 30 minutes of drybrushing at the longest. Not really worth anything even close to another £20 on top of the original unpainted price.

 sing your life wrote:
Those "Pre-painted" tanks look like something you could reproduce with a green aerosol spray and 30 minutes of drybrushing at the longest. Not really worth anything even close to another £20 on top of the original unpainted price.

I am sure they'll sell insanely well, considering the vast majority of historical wargamers are older gents who don't want to paint and have no problem keeping Miniature Building Authority in business.

 judgedoug wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
Those "Pre-painted" tanks look like something you could reproduce with a green aerosol spray and 30 minutes of drybrushing at the longest. Not really worth anything even close to another £20 on top of the original unpainted price.

I am sure they'll sell insanely well, considering the vast majority of historical wargamers are older gents who don't want to paint and have no problem keeping Miniature Building Authority in business.

What with literal hundreds of commission painters out there who can provide a lot more detailed and involved paintjob for that amount of money, I'd be forces to disagree.

 sing your life wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
Those "Pre-painted" tanks look like something you could reproduce with a green aerosol spray and 30 minutes of drybrushing at the longest. Not really worth anything even close to another £20 on top of the original unpainted price.

I am sure they'll sell insanely well, considering the vast majority of historical wargamers are older gents who don't want to paint and have no problem keeping Miniature Building Authority in business.

What with literal hundreds of commission painters out there who can provide a lot more detailed and involved paintjob for that amount of money, I'd be forces to disagree.

Ah, but they're not available "off the shelf."

Commissioned painting is never affordable, quality, and timely.

 sing your life wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
Those "Pre-painted" tanks look like something you could reproduce with a green aerosol spray and 30 minutes of drybrushing at the longest. Not really worth anything even close to another £20 on top of the original unpainted price.

I am sure they'll sell insanely well, considering the vast majority of historical wargamers are older gents who don't want to paint and have no problem keeping Miniature Building Authority in business.

What with literal hundreds of commission painters out there who can provide a lot more detailed and involved paintjob for that amount of money, I'd be forces to disagree.

Yeah, they're "Not For Us". I believe that they'll sell, and sell well.

I've heard that there is relatively a lot of money in commission painting for historicals stuff.

I've heard of retired professionals (bank managers, retired army etc.) laying down thousands for painted Napoleonics forces and the like, so this is relatively cheap by comparison. And going on Warlord's staffs background they probably know there is a market for this.

Don't mistake size of the market for profitability. If anything, historical wargaming, simply due to the normal army sizes involved results in far lower quality work and consequently lower per-mini prices. I've looked at it in the past (a few years ago now), and I'd honestly have issues dialling back the effort I put in on the stuff I do to make it viable.

But yeah, there's a lot of commission places churning out what I consider tat paintwork in the historical sector. However they churn it out cheap.

I reckon it's slowly shifting a bit - there are more 'skirmish' level games coming out and gaining traction - this leads to better looking models (as you spend more time looking at them individually). That obviously increased the number of people looking for decent paintwork.

Edit / TL/DR: Historical games seem to not mind crappy paintwork, as long as it looks about right. There's FAR more tolerance for 'tabletop' standard work.

Pacific wrote:I've heard that there is relatively a lot of money in commission painting for historicals stuff.

I've heard of retired professionals (bank managers, retired army etc.) laying down thousands for painted Napoleonics forces and the like, so this is relatively cheap by comparison. And going on Warlord's staffs background they probably know there is a market for this.

winterdyne wrote: Edit / TL/DR: Historical games seem to not mind crappy paintwork, as long as it looks about right. There's FAR more tolerance for 'tabletop' standard work.

Both of these align with what I've seen and heard. Historical players tend to (paradoxically) have more spending power, being older and better off, but are also highly price conscious. In other words, they are highly likely to spend freely on what they want, but very unwilling to spend more than is necessary to get what they want.

In my experience with the historical gamers at my club, who prefer to get models painted, they are prepared to pay extra for painting but usually not enough for commission painting. So second hand armies on ebay, bring and buy at shows or locally are where they get most of their models. They're the ones buying painted models at above RRP when fantasy/sci fi players would be wondering where the 60% discount is. The painting quality doesn't matter too much, flat block colours are enough as long as they're the right colours.

The quality on the Warlord tanks is definitely good enough for them. While they could easily afford them I think the tanks might be considered a bit pricey but I can see the convenience of be able to buy them at Warlords make up for that. Actually being slightly higher than they'd like is probably a good thing otherwise we'd soon be needing new accommodation to handle all the tanks.

 durecellrabbit wrote:
In my experience with the historical gamers at my club, who prefer to get models painted, they are prepared to pay extra for painting but usually not enough for commission painting. So second hand armies on ebay, bring and buy at shows or locally are where they get most of their models. They're the ones buying painted models at above RRP when fantasy/sci fi players would be wondering where the 60% discount is. The painting quality doesn't matter too much, flat block colours are enough as long as they're the right colours.

The quality on the Warlord tanks is definitely good enough for them. While they could easily afford them I think the tanks might be considered a bit pricey but I can see the convenience of be able to buy them at Warlords make up for that. Actually being slightly higher than they'd like is probably a good thing otherwise we'd soon be needing new accommodation to handle all the tanks.

Correct - the Warlord tanks are of the same quality as prepainted 1/72 tanks from Dragon, et al, and better than Corgi, but with a similar increase in price. They will sell very, very well. Dakka is nowhere near representative of the normal historical convention gamer (I mean, people on this forum still play - gasp - Games Workshop games - when any proper gamer knows that Rogue Trader was the last good game GW released, with a nod to Man O War)

The Battle-Ready prepainted tank platoon sets have all sold out now.

NEW RELEASES JANUARY 8 2016

NEW: WINTER ASSAULT ARMY BUNDLE DEALS

Theme your army with the latest releases geared up for winter war!



German Winter Army Deal http://us-store.warlordgames.com/products/german-winter-assault
United States Winter Army Deal http://us-store.warlordgames.com/products/american-winter-assault
Soviet Winter Army Deal http://us-store.warlordgames.com/products/soviet-winter-assault

http://www.warlordgames.com/winter-bundles/


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NEW PRE-ORDERS

PRE-ORDER: DUEL IN THE SUN

http://www.warlordgames.com/preorder-duel-in-the-sun/

The heat builds up as we go from one theatre with extreme conditions to another, this time desert warfare in the African and Italian campaigns. Duel In The Sun is now available to Pre-Order!



http://us-store.warlordgames.com/products/duel-in-the-sun


PRE-ORDER: M7 HMC PRIEST

http://www.warlordgames.com/preorder-m7-hmc-priest/

Rumbling onto the battlefield comes the M7 Priest, the workhorse of the motorised artillery units, bringing unparalleled close fire support to the US and British armies:



http://us-store.warlordgames.com/products/m7-priest-self-propelled-gun


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Not technically historicals, but..

NEW: SAVAGE CORE CRO MAGNONS, AMAZONS AND SIMIANS

http://www.warlordgames.com/new-explore-the-savage-core/

Anyone who’s ever trodden the lands of Pellucidar, the sands of Mars, the lair of the Morlocks, the lost Empire of Ayesha or the Dreamlands via the literary works of the masters of the pulp genre, will know whence comes the Savage Core; a range of miniatures inspired by these works filtering through my own imaginings.

The setting of the Savage Core is a huge cavernous inner Earth beneath the surface of our own, reached only by chance through tortuous subterranean passageways or by following sketchy and vague maps drawn by previous explorers driven half mad by hunger and fear. Above, it is 1932, but far below the streets of Berlin and the sewers of Paris, is a land of exotic and dangerous flora, populated by huge primordial beasts, lost tribes, anachronistic, ritualised and cruel Empires as well as clever Simians. Also traversing this savage land can be found the occasional survivor of surface world expeditions, desperately seeking a route back to the world they know, or a fanatical treasure hunter of the Third Reich searching ruined gargantuan temples for a mythical artifact or powerful sunstone.







Read more at http://www.warlordgames.com/new-explore-the-savage-core/

Savage Core sounds fun, but I fear Warlord will get creamed if they go up against Reaper directly in the arena of pulp wackiness. Still, nice Koba mini.

That Caesar looks awesome!

I'm looking forward to where this range can go.

Savage Core sounds right up my alley! Maybe they'll have a few dinosaur riders and such.

Hope they stay away from Ice Age Mammals though.

Looks like Warlord either acquired Lucid Eye Miniatures or got distribution rights to them.

Check this link http://arcanesceneryandmodels.co.uk/product-category/lucid-eye/ for more of what is likely on the way.

Great sculpts, been on my list of "Need to buy" for a long time. I really should have picked them up by now. Maybe I can grab them with one of those "free shipping" deals Warlord does every so often.

Prices are mostly the same, except for the Amazon War Leader and the Simian Alpha, who have both gotten a bump in price over at Warlord.

It will be interesting to see the future rules for this setting.

I too am interested in how the rules are going to turn out, something like the BA set with more complexity added would be great fun to play.

I like the look of that, especially the Simian. And the cro-magnons looks useful for Frostgrave...

Wow, they even have a Ziggy Stardust tribute... Very relevant given todays sad news

Bolt action V2 has appeared on Amazon with a September release date. Link

Interesting, any word on what's getting changed?

 BrookM wrote:
Interesting, any word on what's getting changed?

Some chatter on LMGs becoming cheaper/getting extra rules but aside from that not much.