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2015/12/31 10:24:18
Subject: What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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Slaanesh Chosen Marine Riding a Fiend
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IMHO I think AoS ranks pretty darn highly, although I appreciate they had to do something with a product line which was in decline. Failing that I would say the Decurionisation of recent 40k codexes has caused a detrimental imbalance between armies and probably led to a lot of players with older codexes throwing in the towel rather than dropping £500+ on a new army.
Anyway, GWs half yearly report is out 12 Jan 2016 so that should give a little insight.
Cheers.
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2015/12/31 10:30:50
Subject: What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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I wouldn't consider AoS to be a mistake. It seems to have refreshed interest in the dead fantasy side of the hobby.
The constant power creep of new books they bring out, eldar is a fine example, would be the biggest "mistake" in my eyes
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2015/12/31 11:04:10
Subject: What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Removing an entire game system. Instead of putting effort into their work and trying to re-vitalize it, they completely removed WHFB and lost a lot of former customers that looked into comparable systems, including the biggest part of the competitive scene.
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2015/12/31 11:10:38
Subject: What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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Hacking Proxy Mk.1
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Age of Sigmar.
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 Fafnir wrote:Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that.
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2015/12/31 11:13:26
Subject: What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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Games Workshop Delenda Est.
Users on ignore- 53.
If you break apart my or anyone else's posts line by line I will not read them. |
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2015/12/31 11:51:11
Subject: What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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I tink that AoS is a mistake. Could have been a big win if it was just an alternative ruleset. You know, like if you want an easy game with a bunch of models with a person who's not familliar with FB, go pick AoS rules. They're brilliant for that. 4 pages of fun.
Now the end of 8-th as a concept is awful. I suggest you looking at "The 9-th Age" project. It's what WHFB should be for the most part. Insightful changes, FAQs, more deepth. That's what you should play if you like WHFB and don't want to run AOS.
As for 40k, it's all as usual. Ballance, prices and a focus on big toyz. But nothing new.
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2015/12/31 12:03:40
Subject: What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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Monstrous Master Moulder
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Opening up more retail stores in the US which are not making GW more money.
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2015/12/31 12:11:09
Subject: What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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Killer Klaivex
The dark behind the eyes.
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DeadlySarcasm wrote:I wouldn't consider AoS to be a mistake. It seems to have refreshed interest in the dead fantasy side of the hobby.
But, wouldn't a 9th edition have done the same thing?
They could even have released both...
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 the_scotsman wrote:Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
 Argive wrote:GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
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You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
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2015/12/31 12:12:11
Subject: What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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Hacking Proxy Mk.1
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 Chute82 wrote:Opening up more retail stores in the US which are not making GW more money.
Trying to put a GW in ever town in the age of internet shopping is indeed a dumb mistake. Even moreso when you consider the hobby centers that helped GW dominate the UK back when bear no resemblence to the current shoebox stores. Automatically Appended Next Post:  vipoid wrote:DeadlySarcasm wrote:I wouldn't consider AoS to be a mistake. It seems to have refreshed interest in the dead fantasy side of the hobby.
But, wouldn't a 9th edition have done the same thing?
They could even have released both...
The reason the fantasy side of the GW hobby was dead was because GW killed it with a lack of support and poor rules...
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Fafnir wrote:Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that.
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2015/12/31 12:13:54
Subject: What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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Ditto.
AoS is not being accepted by the community.
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2015/12/31 14:37:46
Subject: Re:What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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My dwarves haven't been taken out of their box since AoS came out and I now have no incentive to expand the army that originally hooked me on GW.
Definitely their biggest cock-up this year IMO.
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 iGuy91 wrote:You love the T-Rex. Its both a hero and a Villain in the first two movies. It is the "king" of dinosaurs. Its the best. You love your T-rex.
Then comes along the frakking Spinosaurus who kills the T-rex, and the movie says "LOVE THIS NOW! HE IS BETTER" But...in your heart, you love the T-rex, who shouldn't have lost to no stupid Spinosaurus. So you hate the movie. And refuse to love the Spinosaurus because it is a hamfisted attempt at taking what you loved, making it TREX +++ and trying to sell you it.
 Elbows wrote:You know what's better than a psychic phase? A psychic phase which asks customers to buy more miniatures...
the_scotsman wrote:Dae think the company behind such names as deathwatch death guard deathskullz death marks death korps deathleaper death jester might be bad at naming?
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2015/12/31 15:10:40
Subject: Re:What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:My dwarves haven't been taken out of their box since AoS came out and I now have no incentive to expand the army that originally hooked me on GW.
Definitely their biggest cock-up this year IMO.
Run mordheim. It's awesome and a ton of fun.
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2015/12/31 15:26:52
Subject: Re:What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 koooaei wrote: CREEEEEEEEED wrote:My dwarves haven't been taken out of their box since AoS came out and I now have no incentive to expand the army that originally hooked me on GW.
Definitely their biggest cock-up this year IMO.
Run mordheim. It's awesome and a ton of fun.
Where could I find the Mordheim rules?
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iGuy91 wrote:You love the T-Rex. Its both a hero and a Villain in the first two movies. It is the "king" of dinosaurs. Its the best. You love your T-rex.
Then comes along the frakking Spinosaurus who kills the T-rex, and the movie says "LOVE THIS NOW! HE IS BETTER" But...in your heart, you love the T-rex, who shouldn't have lost to no stupid Spinosaurus. So you hate the movie. And refuse to love the Spinosaurus because it is a hamfisted attempt at taking what you loved, making it TREX +++ and trying to sell you it.
Elbows wrote:You know what's better than a psychic phase? A psychic phase which asks customers to buy more miniatures...
the_scotsman wrote:Dae think the company behind such names as deathwatch death guard deathskullz death marks death korps deathleaper death jester might be bad at naming?
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2015/12/31 15:41:15
Subject: What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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Dakka Veteran
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Age of Sigmar by far.
They got half of it right - simple rules, low cost buy in.
They then let the design team go full Jervis 'Balance is Bad' Johnson and ruin it.
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2015/12/31 15:55:38
Subject: Re:What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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Continuing to be the GW from 2014.
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2015/12/31 16:11:37
Subject: What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Age of Sigmar was too catastrophic. Perhaps 2016 will see it renewed, but mostly they self inflicted a wound there. I don't see it laying the ground work for future sales. Overall I think GW is steering it's path well.
Their approach of selling fewer higher quality kits is sound. I hope their rule release cycle slows down or I'll be having to buy the 8e Space Marine Codex in February.
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2015/12/31 16:25:48
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Bye bye Dakkadakka, happy hobbying! I really enjoyed my time on here. Opinions were always my own :-) |
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2015/12/31 16:32:58
Subject: Re:What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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Blowing up the Old World setting, followed closely by gutting any of AoS' selling points with an emphasis on high-priced models and churning out expensive hardbacks with all their scenarios and fluff.
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2015/12/31 16:37:39
Subject: Re:What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
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[MOD EDIT - Not 100% sure that's legal, so, not on Dakka Dakka please - thanks! - Alpharius]
I view AoS as probably their biggest F up this year. I dont mind everyone going Decurion Style, if you know everyone went that way. The problem is, is that that started in the middle of 7th so if you came out before that you where hosed.
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2015/12/31 16:38:19
Subject: What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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Skillful Swordmaster
The Shadowlands of Nagarythe
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Age of Sigmar. End of.
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2015/12/31 16:52:20
Subject: What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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Bounding Assault Marine
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Oh AoS bashing thread! Ringing in the New Year with style!
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2015/12/31 16:54:26
Subject: What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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Ancient Ultramarine Venerable Dreadnought
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I agree with this.
The End Times was also a big mistake too.
And getting rid of the old BA battleforce (which had Death Company) and replacing it with the new battleforce (with no Death Company)
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2015/12/31 16:54:52
Subject: What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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FYI
This thread was originally posted in the 40K section, but moved because it isn't 40K related.
That most people choose to answer an open and neutrally phrased question with the same answer leads one to only one simple conclusion, wouldn't you think?
For me, it's continuing to remain closed off to the community at large.
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2015/12/31 17:02:18
Subject: What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Someone in my group was optimistic about GW in 2015, then the new Blood Angel "mediocre" codex was release. He just decided to go and play Pokemon
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2015/12/31 17:20:01
Subject: What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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Fixture of Dakka
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시끄러워
Another random flyby comment that adds nothing to the conversation.
Biggest mistake? Hmm. AoS would be my guess but not a giant one if their financial report isn't as bad as I assume it will be. Their recent release states that earnings will show a drop but are "in line with expectations" which can mean a whole lot or nothing at all, depending upon what expectations are/were.
Gaming wise? Making Skitarri and AdMech two separate forces; just silly IMHOP.
On a possibly positive note, the incipient return of specialist games might be a good thing.
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2015/12/31 17:30:44
Subject: What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Raising the prices every week.
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2015/12/31 17:34:52
Subject: What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
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Gonna have to go with Age of Sigmar too.
Blowing up the Fantasy world and replacing it with the current half baked nonsense was a very poor decision.
Ludicrous prices on End Times books and models that became obsolete in record time is a close runner up though!
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2015/12/31 17:34:57
Subject: What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Perpetuating their daft "We're a miniatures company" mantra.
Credit where it's due though - if they hadn't failed miserably to produce any games of interest, I wouldn't be playing Guild Ball, which is arguably the best table top miniatures game I've ever played 
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2015/12/31 17:42:47
Subject: What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 Azreal13 wrote:For me, it's continuing to remain closed off to the community at large.
Good point. I was going to say AoS but that whole debacle could have easily been avoided, had GW not chosen to distance themselves to their potentially biggest asset; the playerbase and communities around their games.
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2015/12/31 17:45:28
Subject: What was the biggest mistake GW made in 2015 as a company?
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Fixture of Dakka
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I'm going to say THREE SOLID MONTHS of Age of Sigmar releases.
I don't think the Sigmar reboot was a mistake at all, because after all, if Fantasy Battle sales were really weak for many consecutive quarters, some kind of reboot was necessary. If it doesn't work out, they can always reboot it again.
However -- and this coming from someone who liked both Sigmar and Stormcast -- not having a single non-Sigmar release for 3 solid months was painful and got to the point of, "when will this end!".
@Flashman - I also don't think the whole, "we're a miniatures company" thing is a mistake either, because per the other thread on DD, based on the 2015 best-sellers, it looks like there's a pretty significant portion of people who bought models with junk rules -- so, stuff they want to model, rather than models that have great, or even playable, game rules. Like Baneblades, lol.
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