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2016/02/13 02:29:50
Subject: Re:Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
Great read if you want a lesson on how to hang yourself.
Why does the phrase, "melodramatic morons" come to my mind when I think about this lot when I read theFBI paperwork and think about these occupiers and their statements of , "daddy gave an oath", and other such gems, along with that dance video?
2016/02/13 05:14:02
Subject: Re:Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
Great read if you want a lesson on how to hang yourself.
Why does the phrase, "melodramatic morons" come to my mind when I think about this lot when I read theFBI paperwork and think about these occupiers and their statements of , "daddy gave an oath", and other such gems, along with that dance video?
It's like the exact opposite of all the "don't talk to the police" videos you would expect from these guys.
Instead we get the idiot version of "villain antagonist monologuing about his crimes to the protagonist" trope
2016/02/13 05:24:31
Subject: Re:Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
The weird part is how these guys were so sure they were standing up stalwart in the face of tyranny and... whatever, that the people would rise up and join them. I presume that they're going to take that to mean that most Americans will side the government because only a few select can be patriots/sheepdogs/whatever stupid catchphrase, rather than they didn't garner popular support because they're a bunch of morons. They're still sure they're the good guys in this narrative!
I guess it's fun to play pretend and all, but at the end of the day, Lavoy Finicum is dead for reasons best described as "idiotic" and the rest of them are going to be getting poorly done needle& ink Molon Labe tattoos in prison.
ROCHESTER, NH - The Federal Bureau of Investigation has taken custody of Jerry DeLemus, a New Hampshire Tea Party activist who previously made trips to Nevada to take part in the Bundy Ranch stand-off and the federal forestry building seizure in Oregon two months ago, according to reports.
DeLemus faces nine federal charges including conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States, threatening a federal law enforcement officer, obstruction of justice, attempting to impede or injure a federal law enforcement officer and several firearms charges, when he was in Nevada to support the Bundy family at the ranch.
According to the indictment, DeLemus was a “mid-level leader and organizer of the conspiracy who, among other things: recruited, organized, trained and provided logistical support to gunmen and other Followers and organized and led armed patrols and security checkpoints.”
According to Jack Kimball, the former chairman of the New Hampshire GOP, state Rep. Susan DeLemus, R-Rochester, Jerry’s wife, called him and said they had taken custody of him today (March 3, 2016).
“She said that the FBI just rolled up with lots of vehicles and Agents who were in tactical gear,” Kimball wrote on Facebook earlier this morning. ”They forced their way into Jerry DeLemus and Sue’s condo with weapons drawn and arrested Jerry and took him away.”
Kimball said he believed the custody was connected to the Bundy Ranch incident and asked “all NH patriots to come together ASAP” to ”protest this tyranny in the most visible way possible.”
Kimball said he would update his friends on Facebook after receiving more information.
“A good and Patriotic Marine is now being prosecuted for standing up for Liberty,” he noted.
A media relations officer at the FBI Boston office referred all questions about the charges to the Department of Justice. The U.S. DOJ has not returned an email request to Patch.
Additional folks arrested today include this fine gentleman:
Fourteen Additional Defendants Charged For Felony Crimes Related To 2014 Standoff In Nevada
LAS VEGAS, Nev. – The federal grand jury in Nevada has charged 14 more defendants in connection with the armed assault against federal law enforcement officers that occurred in the Bunkerville, Nev. area on April 12, 2014, over the removal of Cliven Bundy’s cows from public lands, announced U.S. Attorney Daniel G. Bogden for the District of Nevada and Special Agent in Charge Laura Bucheit for the FBI in Nevada.
“This investigation began the day after the assault against federal law enforcement officers and continues to this day,” said U.S. Attorney Bogden. “We will continue to work to identify the assaulters and their role in the assault and the aftermath, in order to ensure that justice is served.”
A superseding criminal indictment was returned by the grand jury on Wednesday, March 2, and now charges a total of 19 defendants. The 14 new defendants are Melvin D. Bundy, 41, of Round Mountain, Nev., David H. Bundy, 39, of Delta, Utah, Brian D. Cavalier, 44, of Bunkerville, Nev., Blaine Cooper, 36, of Humboldt, Ariz., Gerald A. DeLemus, 61, of Rochester, N.H., Eric J. Parker, 32, of Hailey, Idaho, O. Scott Drexler, 44, of Challis, Idaho, Richard R. Lovelien, 52, of Westville, Okla., Steven A. Stewart, 36, of Hailey, Idaho, Todd C. Engel, 48, of Boundary County, Idaho, Gregory P. Burleson, 52, of Phoenix, Ariz., Joseph D. O’Shaughnessy, 43, of Cottonwood, Ariz., and Micah L. McGuire, 31, and Jason D. Woods, 30, both of Chandler, Ariz.
Twelve defendants were arrested earlier today. Two defendants, Brian D. Cavalier and Blaine Cooper, were already in federal custody in the District of Oregon.
“These indictments and subsequent arrests send an irrefutable message to the American people that our determination remains steadfast to protect them and pursue individuals who participate in violent acts of this nature,” said Special Agent in Charge Bucheit.
The newly-added defendants are charged with one count of conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States and conspiracy to impede or injure a federal officer, and at least one count of using and carrying a firearm in relation to a crime of violence, assault on a federal officer, threatening a federal law enforcement officer, obstruction of the due administration of justice, interference with interstate commerce by extortion, and interstate travel in aid of extortion. The indictment also alleges five counts of criminal forfeiture which upon conviction would require forfeiture of property derived from the proceeds of the crimes totaling at least $3 million, as well as the firearms and ammunition possessed and used on April 12, 2014.
Charges against the original five defendants, Cliven D. Bundy, 69, of Bunkerville, Nev., Ryan C. Bundy, 43, of Mesquite, Nev., Ammon E. Bundy, 40, of Emmet, Idaho, Ryan W. Payne, 32, of Anaconda, Mont., and Peter T. Santilli, Jr., 50, of Cincinnati, Ohio, remain the same.
The superseding indictment states that the charges result from a massive armed assault against federal law enforcement officers that occurred in and around Bunkerville, Nev., on April 12, 2014. The defendants are alleged to have planned, organized, and led the assault in order to extort the officers into abandoning approximately 400 head of cattle that were in their lawful care and custody. In addition to conspiring among themselves to plan and execute these crimes, the defendants recruited, organized, and led hundreds of other followers in using armed force against law enforcement officers in order to thwart the seizure and removal of Cliven Bundy’s cattle from federal public lands. Bundy had trespassed on the public lands for over 20 years, refusing to obtain the legally-required permits or pay the required fees to keep and graze his cattle on the land.
The superseding indictment charges that Cliven Bundy was the leader, organizer, and chief beneficiary of the conspiracy, and possessed ultimate authority over the conspiratorial operations and received the economic benefits of the extortion. The remaining defendants are charged as leaders and organizers who conspired with Bundy to achieve his criminal objectives.
The maximum penalties for the charges are stated below.
Conspiracy to Commit an Offense Against the United States – 5 years, $250,000 fine
Conspiracy to Impede and Injure a Federal Law Enforcement Officer – 6 years, $250,000 fine
Assault on a Federal Law Enforcement Officer – 20 years, $250,000 fine
Threatening a Federal Law Enforcement Officer – 10 years, $250,000 fine
Use and Carry of a Firearm in Relation to a Crime of Violence – 5 years minimum and consecutive
Obstruction of the Due Administration of Justice - 10 years, $250,000 fine
Interference with Interstate Commerce by Extortion - 20 years, $250,000 fine
Interstate Travel in Aid of Extortion – 20 years, $250,000 fine
The case is being investigated by the FBI and the Bureau of Land Management. It is being prosecuted by Assistant U.S. Attorneys Steven W. Myhre and Nicholas D. Dickinson and Special Assistant U.S. Attorneys Nadia J. Ahmed and Erin M. Creegan.
The public is reminded that an indictment contains only charges and is not evidence of guilt. The defendants are presumed innocent and entitled to a fair trial at which the government has the burden of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
2016/03/04 03:35:44
Subject: Re:Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
Kind of laughing to myself, remembering an argument that "well, you don't know that he was pointing his rifle at any cops from any of the pictures we've seen".
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2016/03/04 09:08:30
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
Time, careful. Let the whole thing simmer down and avoid and solidarity stuff?
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
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2016/03/04 09:15:58
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
jhe90 wrote: Time, careful. Let the whole thing simmer down and avoid and solidarity stuff?
probably. I would imagine they wanted to get all their ducks in a row before processding.
Exactly, and now given all going on in world. Alot of media will never notice. The feds are slow at times, but not stupid.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
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2016/03/04 13:35:55
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
I find it kind of distasteful when the number of reporters dwarfs the number of police, and where reporters are seemingly able to cross police lines to literally stand in a big group around a person pointing a gun at a large group of their colleagues and police...
Makes sense to me. The gun guys let them in so they can take pictures to show the world how they're standing up to The Man. The cops let them go so they can take pictures of the gun guys pointing guns at the cops that they can later use to identify the gun guys and show as evidence that they were in fact pointing guns at cops.
2016/03/09 00:50:34
Subject: Re:Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
The Oregon State Police had a press conference today breaking down the encounter with Lavoy Finicum, who the Branch Dildonians claimed was shot while trying to surrender with his hands in the air.
spoiler: that wasn't true
From the video and previous articles, it sounds like he was 3% patriot, 97% crazy person pulling a suicide by cop.
I guess when your foster kid gravy train ends, and you have to consider getting a job, a man gets mighty desperate.
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2016/03/09 02:32:09
Subject: Re:Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
New charges include possession of firearms inside a federal facility, using a firearm while threatening violence, theft, and damaging an archeological site.
Bundy keeps on being Bundy, of course:
Ammon Bundy's attorneys told the judge that he wanted to be advised of his rights. U.S. District Court Judge Anna Brown denied the request, noting that they were read at three prior court appearances.
"I know I have no rights, so thank you," Bundy said.
2016/03/10 00:20:47
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
d-usa wrote: Looks like additional charges were filed today to add to the initial "interfering with a federal employee" charge or whatever they called it.
New charges include possession of firearms inside a federal facility, using a firearm while threatening violence, theft, and damaging an archeological site.
Bundy keeps on being Bundy, of course:
Ammon Bundy's attorneys told the judge that he wanted to be advised of his rights. U.S. District Court Judge Anna Brown denied the request, noting that they were read at three prior court appearances.
"I know I have no rights, so thank you," Bundy said.
The archeological site charge seems questionable to me, but I don't know the specific details about where they dug their gak pit. I sure hope it's not referring to the artifacts they were screwing with in the basement, because if so, that's pretty weak.
Also, what's the harm in advising him of his rights again? What's the rush? He keeps asking, write them out and just give him a copy every time.
d-usa wrote: Looks like additional charges were filed today to add to the initial "interfering with a federal employee" charge or whatever they called it.
New charges include possession of firearms inside a federal facility, using a firearm while threatening violence, theft, and damaging an archeological site.
Bundy keeps on being Bundy, of course:
Ammon Bundy's attorneys told the judge that he wanted to be advised of his rights. U.S. District Court Judge Anna Brown denied the request, noting that they were read at three prior court appearances.
"I know I have no rights, so thank you," Bundy said.
The archeological site charge seems questionable to me, but I don't know the specific details about where they dug their gak pit. I sure hope it's not referring to the artifacts they were screwing with in the basement, because if so, that's pretty weak.
I haven't seen the actual paperwork (they should be public at some point I would think), but my guess is that it may be related to them driving the heavy equipment around to create barriers and barricades and tearing down stuff.
Another charge, depredation of government property, was leveled against Sean Anderson and another sympathizer, whose name has been redacted from court documents. It alleges the pair damaged an archeological site considered sacred to the Burns Paiute Tribe through the use of excavation and heavy equipment.
The FBI has said it was working with the tribe to identify damage to its artifacts and sacred burial grounds during the 41-day occupation.
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2016/03/10 01:58:11
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
Apparently the Lavoy takedown was a bit more complicated than it was made to appear. He was shot and the vehicle was fired on indiscriminately not to mention random flash bang grenades thrown. He also was unarmed as he had left his gun at the refuge center when traveling. The gun was also repeatedly pictured on his right hip, not in a chest holster even if he was carrying it. Whats being said right now was he threw his arm up to his chest because he was shot already in that location. Sounds like he was shot as soon as he left the vehicle. Might have taken a second for him to register the hit.
Sorry Its a FB video posting, I cant find the same video elsewhere. Note the shot out windows. Note also I would not be surprised if this was in fact suicide by cop but I think the police over reacted.
He also did not try and run the guy over. He tried to avoid hitting the roadblock and the moron cop very obviously ran in front of him.
If you dont short hand your list, Im not reading it.
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or Assault Terminators 3xTH/SS, 2xLCs
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2016/03/10 02:06:39
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
Col. Dash wrote: Apparently the Lavoy takedown was a bit more complicated than it was made to appear. He was shot and the vehicle was fired on indiscriminately not to mention random flash bang grenades thrown. He also was unarmed as he had left his gun at the refuge center when traveling. The gun was also repeatedly pictured on his right hip, not in a chest holster even if he was carrying it. Whats being said right now was he threw his arm up to his chest because he was shot already in that location. Sounds like he was shot as soon as he left the vehicle. Might have taken a second for him to register the hit.
Sorry Its a FB video posting, I cant find the same video elsewhere. Note the shot out windows. Note also I would not be surprised if this was in fact suicide by cop but I think the police over reacted.
He also did not try and run the guy over. He tried to avoid hitting the roadblock and the moron cop very obviously ran in front of him.
- He had a gun in the pocket he was reaching for.
- He was shot in the back, not his chest.
- It doesn't matter if he intended to run the guy over, his unlawful actions created the potential of running the guy over even if the cop is a "moron" for attempting to get out way of the vehicle.
- The shooting has been declared justified, no matter what random conspiracy theory videos on facebook may claim.
- The FBI agents are under investigation for their part in the shooting and their failure to disclose their actions.
2016/03/10 13:26:06
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
Did you watch the video? It was live, uncut action of the entire incident not a conspiracy video.
Now granted, as with so many police shootings, if the people would have simply done what the police said and not escalated it by arguing the entire incident would likely have gone peacefully and no one would have been shot.
He was trying to avoid hitting vehicles in the road. He is dead so they cant charge him with attempted murder but they would have even though there was obviously no attempt.
Who says he had a gun in his pocket? The guys at the facility took a picture of his gun which he left at the facility. And again, he habitually wore it on a holster on his hip, why would he suddenly wear it somewhere he wasn't used to carrying it that he wasn't as practiced at drawing it?
it sounds like he was shot as he exited the vehicle and then again from the guy behind him. Who taught these cops to stand on opposite sides of the guy they are shooting at? That's just asking for a blue on blue incident.
Nothing explains yet why they continued to fire blindly into an occupied vehicle without asking them to get out or the victims offering any resistance or showing any weapons.
If you dont short hand your list, Im not reading it.
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2016/03/11 18:11:25
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
it sounds like he was shot as he exited the vehicle and then again from the guy behind him.
And then took 10-12 steps with his hands in the air? bs.
I have seen the full, unedited video. It sounds like you haven't.
He had a gun on him, he went for it.
"Nothing explains yet why they continued to fire blindly into an occupied vehicle without asking them to get out or the victims offering any resistance or showing any weapons."
I have seen no report that says the police shot up the car and tossed in flash-bangs other than from his lying widow. the video shows no such bs.
Post sources, other than the widow, please.
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2016/03/25 18:56:17
Subject: Domestic Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon
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