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I could see the initial offering being a bit padded out with extra brick battlezones to compensate for the usual day 1 barebones box to get people to pledge.

I'd be okay with a few extra brick battlezones...

I could also see a few add ons making their way into the PM if there's enough demand.

Did they say for sure we won't be doing the usual add on routine? Last time Sodapop did Super Dungeon, they said something similar, and eventually put 2 add ons up (albeit they kept things very limited) due to the demand from backers. I can see Mantic adding some very set add ons if there's enough demand.

Thebiggesthat wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
You do know they cannot use the TV show characters, right?

I'm not sure I get the continued mentioning of this. I read the comics and love the show. There's plenty of crossover, and with a bit of creative licence (well after this battle you've found a crossbow, and look, theres a new follower that wants to join with biker leathers) you get pretty much all the characters you want.

The reason I mentioned it is a couple of posts above mine some one said:

"They will make even more depending on three further issues:

1: Sculpts of the TV show characters (how most got into twd)
2: quality of gameplay
3: quality/realism of the sculpts

I'd wager to say they would double theit profits just by using the TV show characters as well as the comic characters (they are similar but yet very different). "

I was pointing out, correctly, that sculpts of the TV shows cannot be included. I suspect but do not know, any attempt at 'not-TV Show Characters' would get Mantic in trouble as both the comic and tv the license holders are probably going to be watching this, and I suspect the comic folks won't want to be involved in a lawsuit the TV folks would bring, and neither would Mantic. Creative license when it comes to actors' likenesses would not be something I would risk if I was hoping to turn a profit and maintain my license for the game.

It wasn't really targeted at you bud, I've just seen more than one person state that it's somehow a bad thing that we aren't going from the tv stuff, and I really don't see the issue.

I don't think it is a bad thing, I've posted links to companies making figures for several of the TV characters. I'm personally not familiar with the comic but am looking forward to what appears to be a modern skirmish game with some inclusion of Zombies. I'm a sucker for Zombie and modern skirmish gaming and rule sets.

I'm gonna go and say this won't be noticeably more successful than Mars Attacks. Talks of multiple millions are hilarious.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm gonna go and say this won't be noticeably more successful than Mars Attacks.

I don't know, TWD is a lot more popular than Mars Attacks. I suspect this will do better. I don't think it will go into the multi-millions though.

I personally think it'll go above Dungeon Saga. They've made a mess of that though, so hopefully this doesn't go the same way.

I'll look for this at retail depending on the model quality.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:


Did they say for sure we won't be doing the usual add on routine?

Ronnie's exact words are:

"the current plan so that we don't have any of these error rates ..... actually 1 pledge, get all of that, get the lot, your done. We don't add to it we don't take away from it we don't mess with it that's what we are getting give us your address we'll send it to you"

Now it's not 100% set in stone and what Ronnie says isn't always known by other Mantic staff ahead of time but seems to indicate no add ons.

Something I missed yesterday and I just picked it up now while relistening to it they have a set backer number/funding total in mind and might end the KS once it hits that point regardless of how long is left to go - I wasn't aware that you can stop a KS once started (and collect the funding straight away as opposed to the cancel option) but they could limit the pledges available to say 12,000 and once they are gone that's it.

If they *can* lock it down early it would let them have the money sooner and get the ball rolling to help get it out the door in Q4 2016. The lockdown would be pretty high, said goals were planned out past what DS made.

I'm not sure if they could stop the KS (and keep the funding),

but they could limit all the pledge levels to the numbers already taken which would have the same effect (except from actually ending it early)

That's probably what it would be.

Thebiggesthat wrote:
It'll be their most profitable KS ever.
Senior Mantic people are talking in the millions.

Yeah. It's not going to do million(S?) if it's a miniatures wargame with inches and measurements rather than an "open up and play" boardgame unless they manage to get people pledging with no idea what they're actually buying into. The audience for TWD is very big, but they really should have gone for an accessible genre of game if they want to court the mass market. A "HeroQuest", if you will, rather than a "Necromunda".


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Thebiggesthat wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
You do know they cannot use the TV show characters, right?

I'm not sure I get the continued mentioning of this. I read the comics and love the show. There's plenty of crossover, and with a bit of creative licence (well after this battle you've found a crossbow, and look, theres a new follower that wants to join with biker leathers) you get pretty much all the characters you want.

You know that he was responding directly to this post, right? (my bold).

 455_PWR wrote:
They will make millions for sure just based on the walking dead name. They will make even more depending on three further issues:

1: Sculpts of the TV show characters (how most got into twd)
2: quality of gameplay
3: quality/realism of the sculpts

I'd wager to say they would double theit profits just by using the TV show characters as well as the comic characters (they are similar but yet very different).

Good call mantic... good call...

Thebiggesthat wrote:
It wasn't really targeted at you bud, I've just seen more than one person state that it's somehow a bad thing that we aren't going from the tv stuff, and I really don't see the issue.

The issue is money. We're assuming it costs more to get the license from a tv show than a comic book, despite the tv show being *based* on the book. fwiw, Cryptozoic's Ghostbusters boardgame was also based on the comic, not the original movie. (fyi, With Ghostbusters, Bill Murray and actors have the right to say if their likenesses can be used in a merchandising product, though I'd doubt this is the case for TDW. But it shows that there's more to licensing than money.) Who knows, though. Maybe Mantic will swim in cash from this license and eventually have tv sculpts. Dunno.


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 DaveC wrote:
Something I missed yesterday and I just picked it up now while relistening to it they have a set backer number/funding total in mind and might end the KS once it hits that point regardless of how long is left to go - I wasn't aware that you can stop a KS once started (and collect the funding straight away as opposed to the cancel option) but they could limit the pledges available to say 12,000 and once they are gone that's it.

If it's like the Forgotten King (?) KS, they'll just say, "We've hit the end of our SG's, but keep giving us money" and keep the funding period open until its scheduled ending. So anyone can still pledge until the funding period is over, but the backers won't receive more SG's. SG's aren't actually an integral part of KS.

While I'm optimistic, I did a quick search of TWD forums and haven't read any news of this game (although might have missed a thread). Unlike, say, Mars Attacks, there are already several TWD boardgames out there, as well as video games, not to mention a ton other merchandise. It's possible that Mantic's game may just get lost in the mountain of TWD merchandise that's already available. We'll see!

EDIT: I mean, jeez, look at these *limited edition* PVC figures that were sold for $10 a pop for two figures (typically a character and a generic zombie) : http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/The_Walking_Dead_Skybound_Figures

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm gonna go and say this won't be noticeably more successful than Mars Attacks. Talks of multiple millions are hilarious.

Would you care to take a wager on this?

You seem unable to separate what you, yourself, find of interest and what lots of other people find interesting.

 Theophony wrote:

The only growth ones have been Kings of War, if you don't think the demise of Warhammer fantasy had anything to do with it then your mistaken. Even still it only gained 1200 supporters out of all of the warhammer fantasy people who had left the game.

Although warhammer had been stagnating for a long time, the big exodus to KoW didn't happen until the AoS release in 2015. The KoW2 kickstarter ended in december 2014, over half a year before AoS.

While Mars attacks might have been made into big movie once, it was ages since that was released, I haden't heard about that IP for several years until I saw Mantic was producing a Mars Attacks game.

No idea if it'll be as big as they hope but I do like to see they're going for a simple KS structure. There's way to much convoluted BS going on in many of the KS's in general with add-ons up the wazoo, a thousand pledge levels and millions of sculpts that'll take years to actually finish, if ever. It just end up with people eventually forgetting what they pledged for and losing intrest..

I think KoW's KS benefited from a combination of Warhammer's natural decline (The End Times were pretty blatantly a portent of big changes, and predated the KoW KS-2 by several months) and KoW's own actual strengths and growth in the time between KS1 and KS2.

The real big bump was of course AoS, but that would have been worth a much larger KS bump, I think.

The real influx of players started with 2nd editions release, not the KS 6 months prior. I've lost track of how many rulebook print runs have sold out (the first one sold out just on pre-orders I believe), but even Uncharted Empires has sold more copies than the 1st edition rulebook during its entire lifespan.

KoW fanatics has grown from 400 members a year ago to just shy of 3000 today, so just on the basis of Facebook fans there's more than double the 1200 new players.

ced1106 wrote:
DS tiles were double-sided with the same artwork (!) and the tiles didn't fit the clips. I'm a fan of the license, not the company

Do you have Dungeon Saga? You'll see that is not true except for Black Fortress, which is the add on tile expansion pack. All of the normal quests have different artwork.

Yeah it was just black fortress with the 'inferior' single tile type. I mean I guess you could consider it a double tile in terms of durability... scuff up one side and the other is still good to go. But the tile quality has a lot of room for improvement, you only need to pick up a piece from battle systems to know what I mean.

I was an opponents of Kickstarters until one of the Mantic guys set me straight on FB with some interesting numbers.

The sell-through to retailers post-kickstarter is multiple times what the Kickstarter numbers are.

Dreadball is on it's 5th? 6th? printing run and they can't keep Kings of War rulebooks in stock (I heard 3rd print run?)

This KS is going to be a box game, but further expansions will be like they are doing for KoW - straight to retailer.

A reasonable compromise I would think.

Respectfully,
That Lee Guy


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Start with your zombie survivor stereotypes (biker gangs, cult followers, end of world types, military, etc), and add in very specific ones from the comics ( Whisperers, those who wear the skin of the walkers) and I am sure the leaders will have certain command differences.

Respectfully,
That Lee Guy

I wouldn't be opposed to a "board game" similar to Mars Attacks, which is how I hope they approach this. Stripped down, simplified, but via expansion rules can be fleshed out to a more realized actual skirmish tabletop game.

All we'd need is a PDF offering up those rules if Mantic was so inclined.

I will sit out a kickstarter for sure.

I'm only going to be supporting RBG and other KS that wouldn't get made without fan support.

But I wish the game well and I will pick it up if it's good at retail.

A new preview has been posted. I won't post all of the info but here is a new preview sculpt -



Well worth a read of the article as does confirm a few new gameplay details (and a new zombie group shot) -

https://manticblog.com/2016/01/11/14946/


Tomorrow's blog will details how Walkers will work.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I wouldn't be opposed to a "board game" similar to Mars Attacks, which is how I hope they approach this. Stripped down, simplified, but via expansion rules can be fleshed out to a more realized actual skirmish tabletop game.

All we'd need is a PDF offering up those rules if Mantic was so inclined.

This, and the small clam shell expansions of 3 minis plus their cards, sounds an awful lot like how FFG has approached Star Wars Imperial Assault, their skimish not-a-minis-game minis game

Aeneades wrote:
A new preview has been posted. I won't post all of the info but here is a new preview sculpt -



Well worth a read of the article as does confirm a few new gameplay details (and a new zombie group shot) -

https://manticblog.com/2016/01/11/14946/


Tomorrow's blog will details how Walkers will work.

That's a VERY nice model, IF the production models turn out like that they are in for a winner!


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 Da Boss wrote:
I will sit out a kickstarter for sure.

I'm only going to be supporting RBG and other KS that wouldn't get made without fan support.

But I wish the game well and I will pick it up if it's good at retail.

Good for you....moving on....

 Pacific wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm gonna go and say this won't be noticeably more successful than Mars Attacks. Talks of multiple millions are hilarious.

Would you care to take a wager on this?

You seem unable to separate what you, yourself, find of interest and what lots of other people find interesting.

What I find interesting is that you think non-gamers will buy a miniatures wargame just because if has the logo of a show they watch on it.

I like the sound of raiding other player's camps for supplies !

Sound like its going to be possible to go beyond the confines of the comic book, and I'm sure I'm not alone in imagining making some really horrible groups of very bad individuals

Will definitely be interesting to see how the campaign part pans out. Would be awesome with your units to gain a character (as happens in campaign type games) only for them to get taken out by a pack of zombies!

 lord_blackfang wrote:


What I find interesting is that you think non-gamers will buy a miniatures wargame just because if has the logo of a show they watch on it.

Isn't this exactly the type of person GW now supposedly sells all its products to? Non-gamers who only buy because its Games Workshop.

The game idea sounds like a fun. I am confused how they are going to do a KS with a $100~120 pledge amount for a $50 retail game.
That could have up to 4 factions... Do I get to choose my faction or is it a starter set of all 4?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Pacific wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm gonna go and say this won't be noticeably more successful than Mars Attacks. Talks of multiple millions are hilarious.

Would you care to take a wager on this?

You seem unable to separate what you, yourself, find of interest and what lots of other people find interesting.

What I find interesting is that you think non-gamers will buy a miniatures wargame just because if has the logo of a show they watch on it.

Its what happened with me with the lord of the rings magazines back as a teenager. Sure after a little while I feel out of the hobby again and didnt get back into it until I was watching lord of the rings and was reminded of when I used to paint LOTR miniatures as a teenager but it still happened.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Pacific wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm gonna go and say this won't be noticeably more successful than Mars Attacks. Talks of multiple millions are hilarious.

Would you care to take a wager on this?

You seem unable to separate what you, yourself, find of interest and what lots of other people find interesting.

What I find interesting is that you think non-gamers will buy a miniatures wargame just because if has the logo of a show they watch on it.

Of course they will!

It's essentially the same reason why I purchased all of these items. (Be sure and scroll down for the full effect!)