The Mantic's "The Walking Dead Miniatures Game - All Out War" Kickstarter Thread

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**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Azazelx wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
Pacific wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm gonna go and say this won't be noticeably more successful than Mars Attacks. Talks of multiple millions are hilarious.

Would you care to take a wager on this?

You seem unable to separate what you, yourself, find of interest and what lots of other people find interesting.

What I find interesting is that you think non-gamers will buy a miniatures wargame just because if has the logo of a show they watch on it.

Of course they will!

It's essentially the same reason why I purchased all of these items. (Be sure and scroll down for the full effect!)

You have an odd taste in shoes.

Spoiler:

I bought The Lord of the Rings miniatures, because The Lord of the Rings. I still am buying The Hobbit miniatures, because The Hobbit (ironically though, I'm more likely to use them in Dungeons & Dragons).

I bought Brother Vinni miniatures because they do miniatures that are clearly based on the look of Fallout, even if they're not official.

The only thing thats gonna stop me getting this TWD range is because I don't have a job right now. But that may change tomorrow.

**CptJake**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

The only thing thats gonna stop me getting this TWD range is because I don't have a job right now. But that may change tomorrow.

Good luck, I hope it works out well for you.

**ced1106**

lord_blackfang wrote:
What I find interesting is that you think non-gamers will buy a miniatures wargame just because if has the logo of a show they watch on it.

Well, they sure buy this crap!

Spoiler:

@judgedoug: Thanks!

**Talking Banana**

Many would argue Cmon have been upping their game in ways Mantic has yet to try, but Mantic's boardgame plastics are qualitatively superior to Zombicide in one respect: in both cases the figures are monopose, but Mantic's are pre-assembled multi-piece (in the case of Mars Attacks, Dungeon Saga) vs. Cmon's one-piece casts. When a figure has to be castable in one piece, that really restricts how it can be posed (which accounts for the often awkward Zombicide poses.)

I'm curious whether this will still be true for the Walking Dead, or if Mantic will decide to go full-on CMON-style by making the minis one-piece casts (to save production costs.) From the few minis I've seen so far, I can't tell yet.

**adamsouza**

Dreadball Extreme and Deadzone Infestation are both expansions, , not a stand alone games, limiting their appeal.

Mars Attacks did well, and it's fan base is miniscule in comparison to Walking Dead.

**greywulf**

Vermonter wrote:
Many would argue Cmon have been upping their game in ways Mantic has yet to try, but Mantic's boardgame plastics are qualitatively superior to Zombicide in one respect: in both cases the figures are monopose, but Mantic's are pre-assembled multi-piece (in the case of Mars Attacks, Dungeon Saga) vs. Cmon's one-piece casts. When a figure has to be castable in one piece, that really restricts how it can be posed (which accounts for the often awkward Zombicide poses.)

I'm curious whether this will still be true for the Walking Dead, or if Mantic will decide to go full-on CMON-style by making the minis one-piece casts (to save production costs.) From the few minis I've seen so far, I can't tell yet.

Actually, i received my zombicide black plague box just after new years and at least 1 survivor is multipiece... the redhead peasant girl. Who knows for the 2nd wave coming in feb.

**adamsouza**

https://manticblog.com/2016/01/11/14946/

THE WALKING DEAD: ALL OUT WAR – FIRST GAME DETAILS
JANUARY 11, 2016 CHRIS THE WALKING DEAD 5
Last week on the blog Ronnie shared his story on how we acquired the license for The Walking Dead – this week we explore the game. Stay tuned for more information on the rules and miniatures, starting with how Walkers work tomorrow.

The Walking Dead: All Out War Miniatures Game is the tactical head-to-head game set in the walker-strewn Georgia countryside where everyone and everything is trying to kill you.

In The Walking Dead: All Out War, each player controls their own group of survivors made up of popular characters from The Walking Dead storyline, such as Rick, Shane, Michonne and many more.

Each of these survivors is represented by a finely detailed plastic miniature that can be painted in your colour scheme of choice. It also comes with a character card highlighting their game stats and unique abilities, which can be upgraded with a selection of weapons and equipment.

The game is played in and around Atlanta and the surrounding American suburbs, and contains a gaming mat and a selection of barricades, abandoned cars and supplies to give it that authentic The Walking Dead atmosphere.

Your survivors move across the board using the measuring stick included with the game, and you’ll use the terrain to block Walker routes and sneak up on opposing survivors, or raid enemy camps for supplies.

During the game, you will fight a bitter battle for resources against a rival group of survivors – but be careful not to make too much noise, as you’ll draw the attention of the Walkers who roam the streets and fields.

The Walkers are controlled by an AI system developed specifically for this game, and also means that you can play the game solo.

Enemies are all around you, and danger lurks around every corner.

In this game, YOU are the Walking Dead.

Do you have a burning The Walking Dead: All Out War miniatures game question? Leave it in the comments in a blog this week and we’ll answer it in a Question and Answer session on Friday. Check in tomorrow to learn more about how Walkers work.

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**TheWaspinator**

So, it looks like cardboard terrain is the default?

**Nostromodamus**

TheWaspinator wrote:
So, it looks like cardboard terrain is the default?

Yup, I think it was mentioned earlier in the thread, though 3D upgrade might be a SG.

**GrimDork**

I think I may have to go my battle systems pledge to have those residential houses for this.

Pretty solid Dale.

**Jehan-reznor**

ced1106 wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
What I find interesting is that you think non-gamers will buy a miniatures wargame just because if has the logo of a show they watch on it.

Well, they sure buy this crap!

Spoiler:

@judgedoug: Thanks!

No zombie sexdolls yet?

I rather would like to see a resident evil miniature game, more different types of zombie creatures.
i guess follow up releases in the walking dead would revolve on enemy survivors.

**Azazelx**

ced1106 wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
What I find interesting is that you think non-gamers will buy a miniatures wargame just because if has the logo of a show they watch on it.

Well, they sure buy this crap!

Kinda the point - someone buys every random piece of crap (presumably). Hardcore collectors will buy everything they can get their hands on. Minis gamers will but their miniatures game, but a minis game is pretty niche compared even to a boardgame of the Mars Attacks/Zombicide type. I can't help but feel something like MA/Zombicide or even Imperial Assault (boardgame with optional advanced "miniatures game" rules added on) would have had more of a mass-market appeal. I wish them all the best, but I really don't see a million dollars here, let alone multi-millions. Don't get me wrong - I'd love to be wrong on this, I guess we'll see how it pans out.

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Jehan-reznor wrote:

No zombie sexdolls yet?

I've seen something close. Not gonna link it here though, for obvious reasons...

**BobtheInquisitor**

Speaking of zombie sex dolls, zombie burlesque is a thing. One of my facebook friends is heavily involved with Dead Hooker's Ball and other adult cosplay events focused on the undead. I don't quite get it myself. If Mantic manages to get their message to a crowd that devoted, millions might end up on the table.

I'm just glad Mantic picked up a license I care about even less than Mars Attacks. Maybe this time I won't have to pledge that dollar.

**scarletsquig**

Not liking the sound of card terrain and 2D counters for things like cars, if there aren't going to be any add-ons.

Even Mars Attacks had the option for 3D everything, the (now discontinued, never actually made it to retail) resins were brilliant.

Hopefully they prioritise making the card components 3D as a priority for early stretch goals, I'm really not fussed about getting all 120 minis, just want a basic set with a few different gangs to pick from and solid, good quality terrain, if it doesn't look realistic, I might as well buy the board game.

Terminator genysis made that mistake and ended up looking pretty bad with paper mat and a couple of card barricades.

Terrain has to be done well or not at all, so many games that need it, skimp on it. Sometimes it's even essential for board games, played ghostbusters recently and that's one game that would have been made a whole lot easier to play with some actual terrain rather than confusing red, yellow, dashed red and orange "block los/ doesn't block los, blocks movement, not los, blocks los not movement" lines scribbled over the board.

**GrimDork**

I think I agree. I mean, I'm going to have enough terrain that I won't need what comes with the game to play the game on a full board of city/whatever....but for the product to be strong on it's own I think some kind of 3d terrain would be really beneficial. Obviously we all know you can hunt around for reasonably priced 1/43 scale cars and they're almost perfect... but people who buy the game just because its TWD are less likely to have that gamer-macguyver thing going on.

Even if its card... if its more paper craft like the recent Infinity stuff, shipping container paper boxes, same would *almost* work for cars but ehh. But flat and counters/tokens would be very meh.

**Pacific**

It's a very difficult balancing act for the people designing the game. Obviously terrain is the much better option if possible (and this kind of game really requires it), but it looks like they are going for a low price and high sale volume, which you're not going to get if its selling for £70-80.

Hopefully there will be stretch goals for terrain (in fact would be very surprised if there isn't).

**DaveC**

The playtest picture they posted on Facebook doesn't show much Terran - there are no buildings in this set up, 4 cars though. No idea if this typical or not.

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Wrecked Cars and Barricades are the basics. we have some other ideas, too.
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**GrimDork**

The infinity packs are what $15 msrp? Comes with a mat, 4 6x4" or so buildings and 6 shipping containers. I know they mostly want scatter but that's cheap enough to out an equivalent into the box, though paper craft cars are trickier go design and build sooo...

Also the accessory type sprues from ma and deadzone.. Either reuse the MA set or make a new one... Even if no cars.. The barricades would be much better than paper.

**Daedleh**

Looks very similar to the scenario we played.

**GrimDork**

I think it sounded like they weren't planning on much height at least initially/core concepts wise. More about managing cover than finding high ground. I think it makes the zombies a more present threat when you can't simply go over their heads or lock a couple of doors.

Hopefully doors and roofs are at least included in an extra rules section If not core concepts.

**Zwan1One**

Looking at that photo is the game going to be grid based like deadzone?

**DaveC**

No measurements in inches not grids they just used what they had on hand for that set up including a DZ mat

**BobtheInquisitor**

DaveC wrote:
No measurements in inches not grids they just used what they had on hand for that set up including a DZ mat

Won't measurement pretty much kill off the boardgamer interest?

Also, someone compared the components to the Terminator Genysis game, right? I hope Mantic doesn't cheap out like that. TG the BoardGame is so ridiculously overpriced for what's in the box that it's hardened my heart against Warlord and made me think twice about wanting to get into Gates of Antares. I'm worried that Mantic will gain wide exposure with TWD only to throw it away by delivering disappointment.

**GrimDork**

I use my dz mat for inches all the time, they just cut the concrete like they do sidewalks, or it was prefab pieces out in place. Definitely inches though.

But you won't need to know that. There be range sticks for slow zombies, walking, and running, I believe. Hopefully this is one of those reasonable games that doesn't bother putting ranges on guns in such a small area.

**Barzam**

I'm good on terrain with Battlesystems. So, the only thing I'm really going to care about here is that there be a character creation system. I don't want to have to be saddled with only being able to play TWD characters. I know it's a TWD game, but I would like to play using some of my more colorful figures in my collection over the regular characters.

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

"range bands" or sticks seem a good half-measure to introducing non-minis gamers. It, in essence, worked for X-wing which ditched the measuring-tape stigma with casuals, and games like A Song of Blade and Heroes have been very, very well received with simple, pre-measured movement tools.

**Aeneades**

Not much new info in today's blog post and no new photos - https://manticblog.com/2016/01/12/14963/

**GrimDork**

'Being bitten slowly drains the victim's health over time', just how complicated are the injury mechanics going to be? I figured with even as few as 4-5 people on a team, the most tracking they'd want to do was healthy/injured/dying/dead or something. I guess if there aren't tooo many people, or if they make a good way to track it.

**bubber**

I was thinking of getting the Battle Systems stuff anyway + I've been picking up toy cars (1:43) from Amazon so should be ok for me but still a shame.

**adamsouza**

scarletsquig wrote:

Terminator genysis made that mistake and ended up looking pretty bad with paper mat and a couple of card barricades.

Honestly, I feel biggest mistake Terminator Geneysis made was the price point. There wasn't enough in the box to justify the price.

D&D Castle Ravenloft, Temple of Elemental Evil, Wrath of Ashardalon, The Legend of Drizzt Board all $65, have 40 miniatures, more sculpts, thick cardstock gaming tiles
Descent: Journeys in The Dark Second Edition 46 miniatures, more sculpts, thick cardstock gaming tiles $80
Zombicide 71 mniatures, fifteen different scuplts, thick cardstock gaming tiles $89.99:
Dark Vengeance, 49 miniatures, more sculpts, $110
Dungeon Saga, by MANTIC, 23 miniatures, 3D Terrain, cardstock Gaming Tiles $80