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How is it correct? The tip looks like a triangle. I have lots of board game plastic miniatures with swords (descent etc) and they come to points pretty well without looking like that...and none of them have broken, ever.

 agnosto wrote:
How is it correct? The tip looks like a triangle. I have lots of board game plastic miniatures with swords (descent etc) and they come to points pretty well without looking like that...and none of them have broken, ever.

You're looking at the back of the blade, not the side

and it is very, very thick (I didn't say it was good )

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
How is it correct? The tip looks like a triangle. I have lots of board game plastic miniatures with swords (descent etc) and they come to points pretty well without looking like that...and none of them have broken, ever.

You're looking at the back of the blade, not the side

and it is very, very thick (I didn't say it was good )

I get that but it can still come gradually to a point rather than look like a chisel; my Descent minis don't do that. Meh, no biggie.

Also, looked at the comments and that one guy seems to be running the comments all by himself....wow; does he sleep, eat, or work?

Dropped down to $75 for this one, still interested in it and might end up going all-in, but the £ to $ ratio is brutal right now, the base pledge is around £100 once shipping is factored in.

Ouch that's kinda nasty.

I could see going in for $75 and jumping it once work picks up... But I'm still not sure of the 205 dollar total investment. Before scenery addon which is the best deal but least necessary.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Dropped down to $75 for this one, still interested in it and might end up going all-in, but the £ to $ ratio is brutal right now, the base pledge is around £100 once shipping is factored in.

I think your being gracious with your shipping price

If it's the same guy pushing the comments section that was a few weeks ago, he doesn't even play the games, he sells them on e-bay and makes his living off of the KS limited exclusives. I made a negative comment about Mantic and he went all ape gak saying I was costing him money and I shouldn't be on there causing people not to back Mantic. I saw his comments before on other KS I backed, Z:BP, Conan and the Others and just thought he was hyper active, now I realize he doesn't need people to game with as he doesn't game.

 GrimDork wrote:
Ouch that's kinda nasty.

I could see going in for $75 and jumping it once work picks up... But I'm still not sure of the 205 dollar total investment. Before scenery addon which is the best deal but least necessary.

Isn't the scenery add-on also included in the base pledge now?

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 GrimDork wrote:
Ouch that's kinda nasty.

I could see going in for $75 and jumping it once work picks up... But I'm still not sure of the 205 dollar total investment. Before scenery addon which is the best deal but least necessary.

Isn't the scenery add-on also included in the base pledge now?

I think he is saying $205 and possibly doubling (or more) up on scenery.

 Azazelx wrote:

 Baragash wrote:

No I got that, I just don't think it's true. KoW, DKH and Mars Attacks yes, everything else has been pretty mediocre.

The core game, yes. The Advanturer's companion was a huge disappointment (not even counting the typos and page numbers thing) as Jake was clearly phoning it in the further into the additional rules he got. Really felt that he wanted to write HeroQuest 2.0 and nothing more than that.

No I actually mean DKH the original, DS goes in the "rubbish" pile precisely because I backed it for the advanced stuff and Mantic basically ripped me off as far as I'm concerned - not that I've received my pledge yet.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Is that seriously supposed to be a katana? If so, that is a new low for "no one at Mantic gives a crap" sculpting.

There are plenty of "don't care" sculpts from Mantic over the years but I don't think that is one. I suspect its just a style choice on their part. It reminds me of the Hasselfree line of plump curvy women along with the thick swords. I'm not particularly a fan of the end result and think something a bit thinner for both would have been better but I suspect they were going for that look over and beyond any possible limitations of their casting material.

The thickness of the sword really should not be an issue in the plastics as I have the BloodRage game pieces that have really fine weapons that are skinny as all get out. Some had to be heat bent, but are still good, and way more realistic than the 2x4 Grimdork suggested

I'm pretty sure my Dungeon Saga skeleton scythes are a perfect acceptable thickness and they don't look like that thickness on the sword at all.

That's a shame about the Michonne sculpts. To be honest, I thought her introduction in the comics was too gimmicky, too "Poochie," and it turned me off of the character. Then this KS got me to try watching the TV series, I saw Danai Gurira take the role on, make it credible, (well, mostly. OK, the swordplay is still ridiculous. Alright, alright, the character is still ridiculous, but I don't care!) and I fell in love. I'm generally not one to get schoolboy crushes on stars, but damn, that woman is beautiful, and one hell of an actress. (But sorry, Danai, I'm already married to a beautiful woman. And I'm overweight, too old for you, and not particularly good-looking. And I play with little plastic men and make Pew-Pew noises. I apologize for breaking your heart. )

I don't understand why Mantic chose to give their Michonne my heroic-scaled feet. Men's size 13 1/2, if I'm not mistaken. At least they didn't give her my heroic-scaled belly, too.

Maybe they're taking inspiration from the Muppets? I remember Kermit once praised Miss Piggy's feminine qualities, starting with her "sturdy legs."

 Zywus wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Is that seriously supposed to be a katana? If so, that is a new low for "no one at Mantic gives a crap" sculpting

What's so bad about the katana in particular?
It's extremely thick obviously but that's pretty standard in this scale, too thin and it'll snap constantly.

I don't see how it's on a lower end than those horrible men at arms.

what is the first word you would use to describe a katana in comparison to most swords? "Curved" maybe? Some synonym of that?

Not trying to hurt your feelings, but I am honestly shocked that anyone can look at a straight blade with a double-sided point and think it could pass as a katana. Maybe it's the decade I grew up in, but Katanas were perhaps the most well known and iconic type of sword, from TMNT to Highlander.

A bad katana should look like a cutlass or maybe one of Wolverine's claws as drawn by Jim Lee. A straight-bladed sword with double taper is not even a bad katana. It would be like sculpting a pickup truck and calling it a Ferrari.

I dont think the Katana is straight. Youre looking at it from the top, the blade is pointing away from the camera. The real issue is that its apparently as wide as its high... so, 2x4 seems fitting.

One last add-on for TWD, $50 for 3 more neoprene mats to fill out the farm, prison, and Woodbury. Tad smaller than 2x2 but not bad really. Mats like those are usually 20-25 MSRP (they said $30 but that's a joke ) so its a bit of a discount especially as shipping for them is considered in their cost.
More stretches will be unveiled once they get closer to Michone.

 Tyr13 wrote:
I dont think the Katana is straight. Youre looking at it from the top, the blade is pointing away from the camera. The real issue is that its apparently as wide as its high... so, 2x4 seems fitting.

I don't know. I'm no learned octagon of Flatland, but I can usually tell the difference between an object that is flat and one curving towards me. In the first picture, you can see that the "back" of the blade is near the center of the guard, which means the cross section would have to be a blunt triangle. I know Kosh said the truth is a three edged sword, but this is ridiculous. The only thing you could do with a blade like that is kill the Golden Child.

Considering the many other flaws in the sculpt, I am not inclined to grant the benefit of the doubt.

 GrimDork wrote:
One last add-on for TWD, $50 for 3 more neoprene mats to fill out the farm, prison, and Woodbury. Tad smaller than 2x2 but not bad really. Mats like those are usually 20-25 MSRP (they said $30 but that's a joke ) so its a bit of a discount especially as shipping for them is considered in their cost.
More stretches will be unveiled once they get closer to Michone.

Honestly, I am more tempted by those, to use in stuff like All Things Zombie, or TNT, than I am by the base game.

So are the two other neoprene mats already upgraded as part of the core $125 pledge?

Oh, Im not saying its a great, or even average sculpt. Its still hideous as all hell. Just that the "sword" is curved.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I'm no learned octagon of Flatland, but I can usually tell the difference between an object that is flat and one curving towards me.

Well done sir.

 Vermonter wrote:
Then this KS got me to try watching the TV series, I saw Danai Gurira take the role on, make it credible, (well, mostly. OK, the swordplay is still ridiculous.

It's mentioned, in the comics, that she isn't actually trained at all, and completely self taught.

Oh snap, now I know the Bane-hammer is coming for us.

The base pledges, 75/125, include paper mats for shipping purposes etc. The scenery expansion bundle thing has 2 neoprene mats and a second helping of the loot counters, barricades, and cars that you get in either pledge and all for $40. The second add-on is for 3 more neoprene mats. So now for $80, you would get 5 neoprene mats. One for each of the base game and it's expansions.

Yikes... we're reaching F.A.T. mat levels of pricing to cover a similar amount of total table.

That... um... that isn't a deal anymore unless the layouts are stellar. I mean, at least they're covering an unusual subject-matter (IE, normal, only moderately ruined civilization), which means I may still be interested.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Zywus wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Is that seriously supposed to be a katana? If so, that is a new low for "no one at Mantic gives a crap" sculpting

What's so bad about the katana in particular?
It's extremely thick obviously but that's pretty standard in this scale, too thin and it'll snap constantly.

I don't see how it's on a lower end than those horrible men at arms.

what is the first word you would use to describe a katana in comparison to most swords? "Curved" maybe? Some synonym of that?

Not trying to hurt your feelings, but I am honestly shocked that anyone can look at a straight blade with a double-sided point and think it could pass as a katana.

How do you know it's straight?
From the angles we have, we only see sword from above (relative to the sword), so I can't tell if it's curved or straight.

Oh come on people. It's a Katana, of course it's going to have a curve. The picture is from a bad angle, but the Katana is iconic for Michone. There is no way Mantic, being TWD fans, would miss something like that.

It is a bit chunky, but so is everything else in this line. I'd be happier with a slightly less realistic, chunky, sword that isn't prone to warping than a more in scale, thin, blade that is prone to warping.

 adamsouza wrote:
Oh come on people. There is no way Mantic, being TWD fans, would miss something like that.

One would think, but they have botched this so well so far that I think you over/under estimate Mantics fandom and ability to take it from there. 120 subpar sculpts is what I'm seeing coming out of this Kickstarter. Random person from one panel of comic gets a model that is pretty accurate, and Glenn looks rediculous. Poses are off. Why would we trust a company that changes materials every Kickstarter like they change sculptors. What this comes off to me as is Ronnie saw a copy of the walking dead comic while at the dentist hopped up on novacaine and described what he remembered to a sculptor who has never seen people move. They googled some artwork and found some pictures and got those models mostly right, but it is really sad to see how poorly (yes it's made money, but it should be double this at least) this project has faired.

Can't we just agree the the katana is gak and move on?

 CptJake wrote:
The tip/point is nothing like what it should look like if that sword is trying to be a katana.
I guess you could file it down to try and correct it, but why should I have to do so?
The tip on the KS Exclusive version is correct.

I think you guys are seeing the "back" of the katana - the sharp blade is facing away from the camera in both images. As in, you'd need to be above the model to properly see the curve. Remember, big renders vs actual models and PVC shrinkage. Your'e actually seeing the "thin edge" of the blade, but in the render is unfortunately looks a bit like the flat edge of a broadsword.

 Azazelx wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
The tip/point is nothing like what it should look like if that sword is trying to be a katana.
I guess you could file it down to try and correct it, but why should I have to do so?
The tip on the KS Exclusive version is correct.

I think you guys are seeing the "back" of the katana - the sharp blade is facing away from the camera in both images. As in, you'd need to be above the model to properly see the curve. Remember, big renders vs actual models and PVC shrinkage. Your'e actually seeing the "thin edge" of the blade, but in the render is unfortunately looks a bit like the flat edge of a broadsword.

Okay, you're right. That is the 'thin edge'. They could have tapered the point rather than the angled arrow point they went with. Frankly that makes it worse. They could have fixed a misshaped tip. You can't fix a 4x4 piece of lumber masquerading as a sword blade.

Tantos and Katanas are supposed to have an angled arrow point from the back view. It reinforces the tip for piercing armor while thrusting.


It's more noticable on the Michonne miniature, with the blade being thicker.

Lots of modern replicas have a more gradual incline at the tip, but they are more decorative than functional.