The Mantic's "The Walking Dead Miniatures Game - All Out War" Kickstarter Thread

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**ced1106**

Not disagreeing, but what don't you like about Latham? I can't find too much info on him in BGG,. His Legends of the Old West from 2004 is about the only game he's published that BGG has any ratings for.

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgamedesigner/7939/mark-latham

Also, if a miniature looks better IRL than on a KS, why can't an "established" company photograph it better? I find that frustrating, since I can't make a proper judgement of a miniature.

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

Well, speaking from experience, being an editor on games, doesn't equip you for making games automatically. It took a lot of homework, and a lot of research, testing, etc... before I confidently made the leap, and I still know there is much to learn.

Mr. Latham... well, i'm not sure he gets it yet, OR has overseers trying to make the game something it isn't. As it stands, you can desperately see that this game wants to be a cross-over board-game/table-top game akin to X-wing. The problem is, it is too crunchy to be a board-game for casuals, but not nearly in-depth enough to be a meaningful table-top game.

I said this elsewhere, but early in the KS comments, he and Mantic seemed seriously shocked that people would want rules for things like proper building interiors. They've literally thought no further than the pre-conceived scenarios, and aren't apparently too concerned with crafting a complete table-top system.

As it stands, it might well be fun, but I don't think it has what I am looking for mechanically. And the design itself is just so very... easy?

In the last few days I have been reminded how incredible a design can be. This Is Not A Test, by World's End just seems so much more a labor of love, and reading the rules you can just tell it knows exactly what it wants to be. I need to support projects more like that, rather than the "neat" but ultimately soulless stuff.

**Gerinako**

Still not convinced the values really here or the game depth

I'm halfway at the cancel button!

**sculptin'zombie**

Gerinako wrote:
Still not convinced the values really here or the game depth

if I read it right the 125$ pledge gives you about 60 minis? (say 70 with scenery?)
extension are 9-15 minis for 40$
so yeah, content isn't really great, and will look really bad at retail without the free boosters (base game with only 2 main characters??)
For the price of the bigger pledge you could get Deathwatch:Overkill (or any other GW boxed game) with a similar number of mini but an infinitly better production value...
Not even comparing numbers with a CMON KS (with higher quality as well). Even at retail price zombicide looks like a better deal.

I know the minis will look better irl than on pics/renders, but I've seen enough to know that still won't be good enough for many of them. Some other should turn fine.

1,5" comment was probably just a rough estimate (and almost no one in the mini industry knows how to use a ruler). But the minis will probably be close to size with zombicide but twice as chuncky. Probably won't mix well with anything

**Compel**

I've got to say, overall it's doing better than I expected. I figured it to end up at around 520k.

But yeah, I can't help but get the sense this might not end well for Mantic when the delivery turns up and it's not quite what most of the backers are hoping for.

**CptJake**

Compel wrote:
I've got to say, overall it's doing better than I expected. I figured it to end up at around 520k.

But yeah, I can't help but get the sense this might not end well for Mantic when the delivery turns up and it's not quite what most of the backers are hoping for.

Most of the backers will be happy anything they are delivered if you go by the comments section. Mantic!!! and Walking Dead!!!! and there can be no wrong.

**Gerinako**

Bailed
Even with an EB

Quite happy to wait for reviews and retail and buy the base game.

**CptJake**

Not unique to Mantic or this KS, but the 'If EVERYONE chipped in an extra $10 we could hit the next goal!' comments crack me up.

**Nostromodamus**

CptJake wrote:
Not unique to Mantic or this KS, but the 'If EVERYONE chipped in an extra $10 we could hit the next goal!' comments crack me up.

I find the "we only need X backers!" Comments hilarious/annoying, as if everyone pledges the same amount...

**Aeneades**

It's the "This backer has been posting so much, we should insist he gets made into a game character" that annoy me. The comments are bad enough at the best of times without someone spamming crap and everyone else trying to get him rewarded for it.

(He did post some good replies to questions at times but it evolved into streams of unhappy inside jokes and pointless requests over time).

**GrimDork**

Seems like a successful campaign overall, I think they were ways planning to release some of the line retail only anyway. Hope they get it all delivers well for everyone.

**Aeneades**

Up to about 90 unique sculpts now (including terrain pieces), i'm pretty happy with that. Hopefully we will see a few new characters coming in retail releases later this year.

Almost at one armed Rick now, should unlock him before the end of the campaign.

**Nostromodamus**

Aeneades wrote:
It's the "This backer has been posting so much, we should insist he gets made into a game character" that annoy me. The comments are bad enough at the best of times without someone spamming crap and everyone else trying to get him rewarded for it.

(He did post some good replies to questions at times but it evolved into streams of unhappy inside jokes and pointless requests over time).

Are you referring to that Joey guy that seems to spend all day, every day spamming across half a dozen projects at a time?

**Aeneades**

Nostromodamus wrote:
Aeneades wrote:
It's the "This backer has been posting so much, we should insist he gets made into a game character" that annoy me. The comments are bad enough at the best of times without someone spamming crap and everyone else trying to get him rewarded for it.

(He did post some good replies to questions at times but it evolved into streams of unhappy inside jokes and pointless requests over time).

Are you referring to that Joey guy that seems to spend all day, every day spamming across half a dozen projects at a time?

Nah, this is Eduard. I haven't seen him in a comments section before (unlike Joey). I don't mind people spamming it but if they get rewarded with a mini based upon them then it will only encourage people to spam future campaigns in the hopes of a mini as well.

**lord_blackfang**

Well, it finished in line with my expectations.

**Zywus**

$685k

Not shabby at all.

If they can avoid delays and mis-packs despite them putting in add-ons during the campaign I'd consider this a rather succesful venture for Mantic.

**BobtheInquisitor**

Has anyone with a CS ticket seen any action on it since this campaign began? I haven't.

**Aeneades**

Mantic have confirmed they are making a zombie miniature of the most active commenter so I can see the future Mantic kickstarters just being spammed by people hoping to get a miniature as well.

Mantic posted a painted Michonne in the most recent post and the Katana looks much better than the render in my opinion, no idea why they didn't post this up when the campaign was actually running though.

(still not happy about the boots but not disappointed like I was before)

**Nostromodamus**

Aeneades wrote:
Mantic have confirmed they are making a zombie miniature of the most active commenter so I can see the future Mantic kickstarters just being spammed by people hoping to get a miniature as well.

As if they weren't painful enough to read.

Still not as bad as CMON's comment section though.

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

Nostromodamus wrote:
Aeneades wrote:
Mantic have confirmed they are making a zombie miniature of the most active commenter so I can see the future Mantic kickstarters just being spammed by people hoping to get a miniature as well.

As if they weren't painful enough to read.

Still not as bad as CMON's comment section though.

Clearly you were not around to see the stupidity that was the "Brian Blessed" Deadzone Kickstarter saga. I feel dumber for having lived through it.

**privateer4hire**

GrimDork wrote:
Seems like a successful campaign overall, I think they were ways planning to release some of the line retail only anyway. Hope they get it all delivers well for everyone.

Now just need to sit back and get ready to read the delivery-season comments.
When is this scheduled to arrive in backers' hands?

**Aeneades**

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Nostromodamus wrote:
Aeneades wrote:
Mantic have confirmed they are making a zombie miniature of the most active commenter so I can see the future Mantic kickstarters just being spammed by people hoping to get a miniature as well.

As if they weren't painful enough to read.

Still not as bad as CMON's comment section though.

Clearly you were not around to see the stupidity that was the "Brian Blessed" Deadzone Kickstarter saga. I feel dumber for having lived through it.

For me that was the first Kickstarter comments section that I had to leave due to the level of stupidity and spam. CMON have generally been okay except for a few recurring backers.

**warboss**

Is spamming comments about that Brian bird man guy from Flash Gordon still a thing for Mantic comments or has era that thankfully passed?

**GrimDork**

As far as I know the BB largely died with deadzone, maybe MA or some resurgence in dz2 but mostly it seems gone.

**Prestor Jon**

Aeneades wrote:
Mantic have confirmed they are making a zombie miniature of the most active commenter so I can see the future Mantic kickstarters just being spammed by people hoping to get a miniature as well.

Mantic posted a painted Michonne in the most recent post and the Katana looks much better than the render in my opinion, no idea why they didn't post this up when the campaign was actually running though.

(still not happy about the boots but not disappointed like I was before)

Regardless of the katana issue every time I see that mini, painted or not, the first thing that comes to mind is The Count of Monte Cristo and then I realize it's Michonne.

**bound for glory**

Those boots are terrible.

**Azazelx**

CptJake wrote:
Compel wrote:
I've got to say, overall it's doing better than I expected. I figured it to end up at around 520k.
But yeah, I can't help but get the sense this might not end well for Mantic when the delivery turns up and it's not quite what most of the backers are hoping for.

Most of the backers will be happy anything they are delivered if you go by the comments section. Mantic!!! and Walking Dead!!!! and there can be no wrong.

That's just the loudest voices in the KS comments. There are 3700+ backers. (Some degree fewer once the $1 pledgers are kicked out, I guess).

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BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Has anyone with a CS ticket seen any action on it since this campaign began? I haven't.

I got these. Do they count?

support@manticgames.com via freshdesk.com
19 Feb (11 days ago)

to me
Hi,

I am really sorry about the delay in resolving your missing items. We are continuing to work through queries as quickly as possible and appreciate how patient you have been. We aim to resolve your issue within a week and we will keep you updated.

If you have already been responded to, then our customer service team will continue to support and deal with your query.

Sorry again for any inconvenience this has caused,

The customer service team
Mantic
481

support@manticgames.com via freshdesk.com
19 Feb (11 days ago)

to me
Hi,

I am really sorry about the delay in resolving your missing items. We are continuing to work through queries as quickly as possible and appreciate how patient you have been. We aim to resolve your issue within a week and keep you updated.

If you have already been responded to, then our customer service team will continue to support and deal with your query.

Sorry again for any inconvenience this has caused,

The customer service team
Mantic
481

Mantic Games Support support@manticgames.com via freshdesk.com
25 Feb (5 days ago)

to me
Hi xxxxxxx,

Thank you for your patience, it is much appreciated. Your missing items order is being processed and we are waiting for the warehouse to pack and send your items. I am really sorry that this has taken much longer than expected.

I will keep you updated,

Kind regards,

Matt
Customer service team
Mantic

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Nostromodamus wrote:
Aeneades wrote:
Mantic have confirmed they are making a zombie miniature of the most active commenter so I can see the future Mantic kickstarters just being spammed by people hoping to get a miniature as well.

As if they weren't painful enough to read.

Yeah.... that's not ...a smart precedent to set.

**BobtheInquisitor**

The one from Matt may have required a human to click a button at some point, which makes it more action than I've seen on my ticket.

**Thraxas Of Turai**

But Bob:

"The new system will allow us to better manage your questions and you’ll be able to check how we are progressing with your query. To enable this, every query opened will get a ticket number to help you check on it, and our customer service staff can provide updates for your ticket – so no need to keep sending emails anymore to chase us up. We will use the new system to replace the current email contact form and missing items forms, consolidating them in one place.

We need a short period of time to change over to the new system, and will be turning off the old contact form and missing items forms today (Wed 27th Jan). The new system will go live on Monday 1st February, and there will be an update to let you know when this happens. If you have any new missing items or queries you need to report, please wait until the 1st February to report this on the new system.

So great new for us and, more importantly, you, our customers. This is all part of our ongoing work to continuously improve the service we provide, and I want to thank you all for being patient with the team and myself as we make these big changes."

Empty promises and poor execution mean I am never touching another Mantic KS.

**BobtheInquisitor**

Credit where it is due, I've PMed Matt Gilbert about this and he has made a good effort to check up on things. I do believe he, and probably others, really are trying to sort out whatever is going on behind the scenes. Unfortunately, we're not hearing how that process is working, but rather just more silence.