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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:02:24
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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NuggzTheNinja wrote:What does admitting refugees have to do with the Iraq war? With the civil war in Syria? With any of the factors causing the mess in the first place? You're really floundering here.
It caused a bit of a domino effect. Invading Iraq and removing Saddam destabilized the whole, created a power vacuum in which Jihadists could flourish, encouraged anti European and American and helped perpetuate the Jihadist narrative of a "Crusade on Islam". Those Jihadists then spread out to other regions and in turn helped destabilize more countries and topple more dictators.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:02:56
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
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A Town Called Malus wrote: NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Counterpoint: I was most in favor of helping the Israelis deal with their Islamic terrorism problem, and the region hasn't really been quite as well behaved since I left.
Which implies that your help was not very effective in the long run.
Trigger puller != policy maker. Kind of a pointless jab given the circumstances, no?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:03:46
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
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Ashiraya wrote: Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Grey Templar wrote:Unless you have a policeman on permenant protection detail with every single citizen then protecting people as a priority is impossible.
The police can only react after the fact, that's all they can be expected to do.
Not true. They can be proactive through the use of foot patrols. Having an active street presence lets them be more proactive and react faster. The problem is that Police numbers and budgets have tended to be cut year on year, so they lack the resources to do this.
Solution: Halve the military budget (at the very least - the US seriously doesn't need a military budget larger than Norway's GDP) and disperse the saved money into civic improvements such as healthcare, education and police funding. Yes, believe me, ~300 billion dollars extra in those areas can make a difference, even in a country that large.
Congratulations, the country has been improved.
I can imagine that the first politician to suggest this would be burned at the stake. 
You realize though, a good part of our budget was due to helping Europe and countries in Asia defend themselves?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:05:30
Subject: Re:Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
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Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:@AlmightWalrus.
The same amount of people split over all of Europe wouldn't be nearly as taxing. There just aren't any options, beyond forcing people back into an active warzone.
How about splitting them all over the world? Why is this solely Europe's responsibility? The USA, Canada, Gulf States etc should be contributing too.
They absolutely should. I'm just focussing on the refugees that have managed to get to Europe because, one way or another, we have to deal with them.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Is Cologne coping just fine? Is Sweden? Didn't the Swedish Deputy Prime Minister break down on TV announcing that they forced to close the borders and stop taking refugees?
How does closing the borders mean we've taken in too many? Wouldn't it rather imply that we've taken in people to capacity, and are stopping before we're overwhelmed?
And, as people in this thread keep telling me, North Africa isn't Syria.
NuggzTheNinja wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote: NuggzTheNinja wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Part of the responsibility of a democracy is to own up to mistakes made in the past, even if one weren't in favour of them. Considering your posting history on Dakka I think it's safe to say that you're not in favour of helping anyone, anywhere, ever.
Counterpoint: I was most in favor of helping the Israelis deal with their Islamic terrorism problem, and the region hasn't really been quite as well behaved since I left.
Usually when we accuse an entire group of people of doing something committed by a subset of that group, it's considered racist, xenophobic, or otherwise bigoted. It's good to see that on Dakka it's OK, as long as the target group is Americans, generally.
You weren't speaking on behalf of yourself, you said that "plenty of Americans" had seen this coming. You made yourself the voice of "plenty of Americans". You don't get to speak on behalf of people in their capacity as members of a certain nation and then discard that when it comes back to bite you in the ass.
Plenty of Americans did see this coming.
http://time.com/4122938/refugees-syria-america-poll/
What does admitting refugees have to do with the Iraq war? With the civil war in Syria? With any of the factors causing the mess in the first place? You're really floundering here.
*I'm* floundering? The war in Syria is, partially, a result of the Iraq war. Without the civil war in Syria the massive refugee crisis wouldn't exist.
And, again, Syria isn't Morocco. I'm not arguing that the US caused these molestations or that it's related to the US at all, I'm arguing that the people in this thread that jumped straight to attacking the Syrian refugees are using deeds perpetrated by Moroccan immigrants or their descendants to attack people they don't like while completely ignoring the history of the Syrian conflict.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:05:37
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
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Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: motyak wrote:Another mod said no using the term SJW to dismiss a whole side of the argument/set up strawmen/etc. When I just read ITT someone advocating for just letting people drown, the term xenophobe seems like it fits right in.
motyak wrote:Don't turn this into a " lol SJW rahrahrah" thing, that's just trying to insult and shut down a large number of people who take part in these discussions by applying a term to them which is used in a derogatory fashion. Don't do it, it's not polite and it's not how you have an honest discussion.
Pretty sure I was clear about using that term as a derogatory thing
There's a lot of things being said in here that are bordering on rude, so cut it. Now.[
Derogatory terms like racist and xenophobe are frequently thrown around to insult people and shut down their arguments, in the same manner that you say SJW is used. And yet you permit the former.
Racist and xenophobe are English expressions with specific meanings. For example, if I say black people are stupider than white people, that is a racist comment. It is a statement of fact.
SJW, however, is a coinage designed deliberately to disparage what might be broadly termed politically correct opinion.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:06:49
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
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Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: NuggzTheNinja wrote:What does admitting refugees have to do with the Iraq war? With the civil war in Syria? With any of the factors causing the mess in the first place? You're really floundering here.
It caused a bit of a domino effect. Invading Iraq and removing Saddam destabilized the whole, created a power vacuum in which Jihadists could flourish, encouraged anti European and American and helped perpetuate the Jihadist narrative of a "Crusade on Islam". Those Jihadists then spread out to other regions and in turn helped destabilize more countries and topple more dictators.
All factually correct, which is why I opposed the Iraq war from the beginning. But again, this has nothing to do with whether or not we should admit refugees. That's a separate problem altogether.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:06:56
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
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Relapse wrote: Ashiraya wrote: Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Grey Templar wrote:Unless you have a policeman on permenant protection detail with every single citizen then protecting people as a priority is impossible. The police can only react after the fact, that's all they can be expected to do. Not true. They can be proactive through the use of foot patrols. Having an active street presence lets them be more proactive and react faster. The problem is that Police numbers and budgets have tended to be cut year on year, so they lack the resources to do this. Solution: Halve the military budget (at the very least - the US seriously doesn't need a military budget larger than Norway's GDP) and disperse the saved money into civic improvements such as healthcare, education and police funding. Yes, believe me, ~300 billion dollars extra in those areas can make a difference, even in a country that large. Congratulations, the country has been improved. I can imagine that the first politician to suggest this would be burned at the stake.  You realize though, a good part of our budget was due to helping Europe and countries in Asia defend themselves? The US has about 1,300,000 active military personnel if Wikipedia is to be believed. The only enemy countries powerful enough to warrant an army of that size would never invade due to the threat of nuclear retaliation. Having a military of that size is simply superflous and consumes gargantuan amounts of money. Yes, it would mean less foreign intervention, but isn't foreign intervention already something considered rather problematic? I may be running offtopic here though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:08:10
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
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Yes, it's almost like statistics can be padded to fit an agenda, isn't it?
People do that in the USA too. Quite frequently.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:08:19
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
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NuggzTheNinja wrote: Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: NuggzTheNinja wrote:What does admitting refugees have to do with the Iraq war? With the civil war in Syria? With any of the factors causing the mess in the first place? You're really floundering here.
It caused a bit of a domino effect. Invading Iraq and removing Saddam destabilized the whole, created a power vacuum in which Jihadists could flourish, encouraged anti European and American and helped perpetuate the Jihadist narrative of a "Crusade on Islam". Those Jihadists then spread out to other regions and in turn helped destabilize more countries and topple more dictators.
All factually correct, which is why I opposed the Iraq war from the beginning. But again, this has nothing to do with whether or not we should admit refugees. That's a separate problem altogether.
Well, there's always the option of just ignoring your own mistakes and not even trying to fix them.
Guess why people don't like the US at times?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:08:33
Subject: Re:Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:@AlmightWalrus. The same amount of people split over all of Europe wouldn't be nearly as taxing. There just aren't any options, beyond forcing people back into an active warzone. How about splitting them all over the world? Why is this solely Europe's responsibility? The USA, Canada, Gulf States etc should be contributing too. We are. I've personally been to the home of one family from Syria my church is sponsoring. Plus we're taking in thousands DAILY from Latin America. We even have a train for children seeking refugee coming from central America direct to the US. We've done more than our part for decades thank you very much.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:10:46
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
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Alex C wrote:
Yes, it's almost like statistics can be padded to fit an agenda, isn't it?
People do that in the USA too. Quite frequently.
Our definitions are objective and part of the law. They are not changed for individual statistics reports.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:11:32
Subject: Re:Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
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Frazzled wrote: Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:@AlmightWalrus.
The same amount of people split over all of Europe wouldn't be nearly as taxing. There just aren't any options, beyond forcing people back into an active warzone.
How about splitting them all over the world? Why is this solely Europe's responsibility? The USA, Canada, Gulf States etc should be contributing too.
We are. I've personally been to the home of one family from Syria my church is sponsoring. Plus we're taking in thousands DAILY from Latin America. We even have a train for children seeking refugee coming from central America direct to the US. We've done more than our part for decades thank you very much.
Your economic dominance is built on fething Africa over (so is ours, for that matter) and keeping dictators in power all over the world in power (again, we do it too). Half the reason Latin America is the way it is is because of the Munroe doctrine and its legacy. Again, fixing your own messes isn't doing "more than your part".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:13:11
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
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The Conquerer
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Ashiraya wrote: Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Grey Templar wrote:Unless you have a policeman on permenant protection detail with every single citizen then protecting people as a priority is impossible.
The police can only react after the fact, that's all they can be expected to do.
Not true. They can be proactive through the use of foot patrols. Having an active street presence lets them be more proactive and react faster. The problem is that Police numbers and budgets have tended to be cut year on year, so they lack the resources to do this.
Solution: Halve the military budget (at the very least - the US seriously doesn't need a military budget larger than Norway's GDP) and disperse the saved money into civic improvements such as healthcare, education and police funding. Yes, believe me, ~300 billion dollars extra in those areas can make a difference, even in a country that large.
Congratulations, the country has been improved.
I can imagine that the first politician to suggest this would be burned at the stake. 
I think you absolutely fail to comprehend how fraking huge the US is. Its not just a numbers game, its also an issue of distances.
Currently, there are around 250 sworn officers per 100,000 citizens. Increasing that number in the manner you describe would be astronomically expensive, enough to make it virtually impossible. And it still wouldn't solve the problem that the police cannot possibly respond in a timely manner to more than a small number of cases. As the saying goes, when seconds matter the police are minutes away. Nothing can be done to change that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:15:01
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: NuggzTheNinja wrote:What does admitting refugees have to do with the Iraq war? With the civil war in Syria? With any of the factors causing the mess in the first place? You're really floundering here.
It caused a bit of a domino effect. Invading Iraq and removing Saddam destabilized the whole, created a power vacuum in which Jihadists could flourish, encouraged anti European and American and helped perpetuate the Jihadist narrative of a "Crusade on Islam". Those Jihadists then spread out to other regions and in turn helped destabilize more countries and topple more dictators.
Again, what does that have to do with another continent?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:19:59
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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Grey Templar wrote: I think you absolutely fail to comprehend how fraking huge the US is. Its not just a numbers game, its also an issue of distances. Currently, there are around 250 sworn officers per 100,000 citizens. Increasing that number in the manner you describe would be astronomically expensive, enough to make it virtually impossible. And it still wouldn't solve the problem that the police cannot possibly respond in a timely manner to more than a small number of cases. As the saying goes, when seconds matter the police are minutes away. Nothing can be done to change that. Currently, the law enforcement budget (including running prisons, courts, etc.) is at ~60 billion dollars. I am pretty sure you can see the difference. It will not make the law enforcement flawless, but hot damn will it be a better use of the money.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:26:09
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Ashiraya wrote: Grey Templar wrote:
I think you absolutely fail to comprehend how fraking huge the US is. Its not just a numbers game, its also an issue of distances.
Currently, there are around 250 sworn officers per 100,000 citizens. Increasing that number in the manner you describe would be astronomically expensive, enough to make it virtually impossible. And it still wouldn't solve the problem that the police cannot possibly respond in a timely manner to more than a small number of cases. As the saying goes, when seconds matter the police are minutes away. Nothing can be done to change that.
Currently, the law enforcement budget (including running prisons, courts, etc.) is at ~60 billion dollars.
I am pretty sure you can see the difference.
It will not make the law enforcement flawless, but hot damn will it be a better use of the money.
The way our government is set up, its not like all money goes in one pile.
The Military is funded by the federal government's budget. But police are funded at the state and local levels. Totally separate pots of money. The Federal government can't just shift the cash from the federal budget to the states and local departments.
You really have total ignorance about how the US's geography and government organization works.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:26:30
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
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Frazzled wrote: Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: NuggzTheNinja wrote:What does admitting refugees have to do with the Iraq war? With the civil war in Syria? With any of the factors causing the mess in the first place? You're really floundering here.
It caused a bit of a domino effect. Invading Iraq and removing Saddam destabilized the whole, created a power vacuum in which Jihadists could flourish, encouraged anti European and American and helped perpetuate the Jihadist narrative of a "Crusade on Islam". Those Jihadists then spread out to other regions and in turn helped destabilize more countries and topple more dictators.
Again, what does that have to do with another continent?
Those Jihadists then spread out to other regions and in turn helped destabilize more countries and topple more dictators.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:28:40
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
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Grey Templar wrote:
The way our government is set up, its not like all money goes in one pile.
The Military is funded by the federal government's budget. But police are funded at the state and local levels. Totally separate pots of money. The Federal government can't just shift the cash from the federal budget to the states and local departments.
You really have total ignorance about how the US's geography and government organization works.
Then disperse the money accordingly to those states and local departments according to population, etc.
I don't see what is so much more difficult with this than usual tax spending calculations and decisions.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:28:54
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
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AlmightyWalrus wrote:Well, there's always the option of just ignoring your own mistakes and not even trying to fix them.
Guess why people don't like the US at times?
Trust me, you don't want us trying to fix this.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:31:38
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The Conquerer
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Ashiraya wrote: Grey Templar wrote:
The way our government is set up, its not like all money goes in one pile.
The Military is funded by the federal government's budget. But police are funded at the state and local levels. Totally separate pots of money. The Federal government can't just shift the cash from the federal budget to the states and local departments.
You really have total ignorance about how the US's geography and government organization works.
Then disperse the money accordingly to those states and local departments according to population, etc.
I don't see what is so much more difficult with this than usual tax spending calculations and decisions.
That would involve totally changing the way the government is set up. You are basically advocating for an impossible, and idiotic, task. We don't need or want this kind of gross federal government intrusion.
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Frazzled wrote: Kilkrazy wrote:The ancient laws and customs of the sea compel mariners to offer aid to vessels in distress.
Do you have a cite for that in maritime law? This is not a criticism but a question.
EDIT: I'm not asking for a cite or anything, just a reference.
I was actually referring to the ancient customs by which seafarers have operated for centuries, to help each other in distress, but in fact the principle is embodied in Article 98 of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea 1982.
Italy and Greece are both signatories to the treaty and therefore bound to assist refugees floating around in the Med.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:34:28
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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Grey Templar wrote: Ashiraya wrote: Grey Templar wrote:
The way our government is set up, its not like all money goes in one pile.
The Military is funded by the federal government's budget. But police are funded at the state and local levels. Totally separate pots of money. The Federal government can't just shift the cash from the federal budget to the states and local departments.
You really have total ignorance about how the US's geography and government organization works.
Then disperse the money accordingly to those states and local departments according to population, etc.
I don't see what is so much more difficult with this than usual tax spending calculations and decisions.
That would involve totally changing the way the government is set up. You are basically advocating for an impossible, and idiotic, task. We don't need or want this kind of gross federal government intrusion.
That is not idiotic. This is what is idiotic.
http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/us_government_budget/us_govt_budget.html
Scroll down to the last picture, near the bottom, and look at the height of the 'defense' (attack) budget tower.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:35:22
Subject: Re:Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
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The Conquerer
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When you are forced to protect most of the world, no its not all that idiotic.
You are also missing that welfare, Social Security, and Health Care together make a truly obscene number.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:35:52
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AlmightyWalrus wrote: NuggzTheNinja wrote: Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: NuggzTheNinja wrote:What does admitting refugees have to do with the Iraq war? With the civil war in Syria? With any of the factors causing the mess in the first place? You're really floundering here.
It caused a bit of a domino effect. Invading Iraq and removing Saddam destabilized the whole, created a power vacuum in which Jihadists could flourish, encouraged anti European and American and helped perpetuate the Jihadist narrative of a "Crusade on Islam". Those Jihadists then spread out to other regions and in turn helped destabilize more countries and topple more dictators.
All factually correct, which is why I opposed the Iraq war from the beginning. But again, this has nothing to do with whether or not we should admit refugees. That's a separate problem altogether.
Well, there's always the option of just ignoring your own mistakes and not even trying to fix them.
Guess why people don't like the US at times?
I didn't make any mistakes. I don't want to deal with refugees raping and murdering my family members.
Why don't the Saudis take in their Muslim brothers? After all, Saudi Arabia is a lot closer.
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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Grey Templar wrote:When you are forced to protect most of the world, no its not all that idiotic.
You are also missing that welfare, Social Security, and Health Care together make a truly obscene number.
'Protecting most of the world'? What?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:39:14
Subject: Re:Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Ashiraya wrote: Grey Templar wrote:When you are forced to protect most of the world, no its not all that idiotic.
You are also missing that welfare, Social Security, and Health Care together make a truly obscene number.
'Protecting most of the world'? What?
Why do you think all you Europeans can get away with tiny military budgets? Its because the US military exists.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:39:23
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
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Grey Templar: Honestly, it's okay. We're grand. No need for you guys to feel like you need to "protect us". We've seen where that leads, thanks. Nuggz: Yeah, Saudi are despicable. As usual. I reckon Europe as a whole can easily deal with the Syrian influx actually. There's barely any need for the US to get involved. But France and Britain need to step up. Ireland too (just to prevent that being used against me  ) Grey Templar: Considering you guys spend more than all the rest of us combined, I'm sure you guys could cut back a little and the world wouldn't explode. I mean all that spending doesn't make you guys immune to attacks or allow you to win wars even when fighting massively technologically and financially inferior opposition, so what exactly is the point?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:40:20
Subject: Re:Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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Grey Templar wrote: Ashiraya wrote: Grey Templar wrote:When you are forced to protect most of the world, no its not all that idiotic. You are also missing that welfare, Social Security, and Health Care together make a truly obscene number. 'Protecting most of the world'? What? Why do you think all you Europeans can get away with tiny military budgets? Its because the US military exists. Try us. Halve your military budget and see if we end up with sharia laws.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:41:49
Subject: Re:Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
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Fixture of Dakka
CL VI Store in at the Cyber Center of Excellence
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Grey Templar wrote: Ashiraya wrote: Grey Templar wrote:When you are forced to protect most of the world, no its not all that idiotic.
You are also missing that welfare, Social Security, and Health Care together make a truly obscene number.
'Protecting most of the world'? What?
Why do you think all you Europeans can get away with tiny military budgets? Its because the US military exists.
Yeah, look at what % of GDP NATO members are required by treaty to spend, and look at what they did spend over the last 2-3 decades. And look at the capabilities they bought (a lot of redundancy while leaving some critical capabilities almost completely up the US to provide).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/01/06 17:43:11
Subject: Germany shocked by Cologne New Year gang assaults on women
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
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Seriously, we don't mind if you guys stop protecting us. Drop the spending and look after your people, it's absolutely fine.
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