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If you thing that anything, anything AT ALL can be "embarrassing" to the hobby...
If you need to invoke movies and celebrities to prove (mostly to yourself) that you are still "cool" for playing with minis...
Then you've got bigger issues than tit-marines, friend.
What in the world is "cool" anyway? Your mom saying that you are cool? A range of gratuitously sexualized minis isn't going to damage this hobby's image, trust me... And neither your ardent repudiation of the said range will score you points "wid da ladies".
See, if this was just a bad model range, it would garner a couple pages of people saying " well, this range sucks" and moving on. Instead, it seems that the boob demons have gotten under quite a few people's skin. Hint: if you are unable to say "well, this is bad" and move on, you cut a rather amusing figure.
Now remember what I said in the my first post? I'm supporting this because it pisses the right kind of people off. Now please, go ahead and tell me, extensively and eloquently, about how wrong I am.
If you thing that anything, anything AT ALL can be "embarrassing" to the hobby...
If you need to invoke movies and celebrities to prove (mostly to yourself) that you are still "cool" for playing with minis...
Then you've got bigger issues than tit-marines, friend.
What in the world is "cool" anyway? Your mom saying that you are cool? A range of gratuitously sexualized minis isn't going to damage this hobby's image, trust me... And neither your ardent repudiation of the said range will score you points "wid da ladies".
See, if this was just a bad model range, it would garner a couple pages of people saying " well, this range sucks" and moving on. Instead, it seems that the boob demons have gotten under quite a few people's skin. Hint: if you are unable to say "well, this is bad" and move on, you cut a rather amusing figure.
Now remember what I said in the my first post? I'm supporting this because it pisses the right kind of people off. Now please, go ahead and tell me, extensively and eloquently, about how wrong I am.
We both know you want to.
Well, I feel your point is wrong, plus your reasoning for defending this is just trolling, but your not under my skin, welcome to the ignore list . Have yourself a grand time at the LGS bragging how you backed this venture just to tick people off.
LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13
I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14
If you thing that anything, anything AT ALL can be "embarrassing" to the hobby...
If you need to invoke movies and celebrities to prove (mostly to yourself) that you are still "cool" for playing with minis...
Then you've got bigger issues than tit-marines, friend.
What in the world is "cool" anyway? Your mom saying that you are cool? A range of gratuitously sexualized minis isn't going to damage this hobby's image, trust me... And neither your ardent repudiation of the said range will score you points "wid da ladies".
See, if this was just a bad model range, it would garner a couple pages of people saying " well, this range sucks" and moving on. Instead, it seems that the boob demons have gotten under quite a few people's skin. Hint: if you are unable to say "well, this is bad" and move on, you cut a rather amusing figure.
Now remember what I said in the my first post? I'm supporting this because it pisses the right kind of people off. Now please, go ahead and tell me, extensively and eloquently, about how wrong I am.
We both know you want to.
Well, I feel your point is wrong, plus your reasoning for defending this is just trolling, but your not under my skin, welcome to the ignore list . Have yourself a grand time at the LGS bragging how you backed this venture just to tick people off.
Now I'm trying to Imagen the awkward conversation when he shows up with his fully painted set of Space Crusaders at a LGS, telling people they need to play this new game that sticks it to the "SJW's".
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Throw in that Prodos is making it after jerking around their KS backers, and yeah...even at retail I'm not sure I'd be interested in the daemonette-marines.
This is the nicest possible way you could put it. As someone who still hasn't seen anything from my AvP KS pledge, it's just blow after blow; Issues getting sign off from 20th century fox, issues with manufacturing as much as is required, issues getting things shipped, issues paying for things to be shipped. All the while AvP boxes sit in retail stores, and now they slap us in the face again and launch a new range of miniatures! I say us because if you wander over to Prodos forums there is no shortage of backers waiting on product.
I've mainly dealt with the excessive delay by forgetting I even paid for AvP, but seeing this rehashed copy cat line up claiming to be ready for release on the 23rd of Feb while a huge number of KS backers still wait is just too much.
Moral of the story, don't you dare pre-order this stuff from Prodos! They couldn't ship a coffee cup from one end of their office to the other
/rant all I can do is laugh at this and carry on waiting, 15th of Feb we at least get a dedicated e-mail address that we can ask about our KS orders and maybe...... just maybe someone over at Prodos will reply.
@Olgerth Istaarn
"Hint: if you are unable to say "well, this is bad" and move on, you cut a rather amusing figure"
Take your own advice.
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Retired Space Marine and Necron 40K player. Looking to start Warmahordes in the future.
See, if this was just a bad model range, it would garner a couple pages of people saying " well, this range sucks" and moving on.
That's what would normally happen, yes.
However in this case, it garnered several pages of people saying 'well, this range sucks' and then spawned ongoing discussion when people started chiming in assuming that all of the people claiming to dislike the models were doing so solely to be politically correct.
Sometimes, discussion happens. That's not inherently a bad thing. Ultimately, a discussion on why people dislike these models is more productive than 3 pages of people just saying 'Hey, these suck!'
If you thing that anything, anything AT ALL can be "embarrassing" to the hobby...
If you need to invoke movies and celebrities to prove (mostly to yourself) that you are still "cool" for playing with minis...
Then you've got bigger issues than tit-marines, friend.
What in the world is "cool" anyway? Your mom saying that you are cool? A range of gratuitously sexualized minis isn't going to damage this hobby's image, trust me... And neither your ardent repudiation of the said range will score you points "wid da ladies".
See, if this was just a bad model range, it would garner a couple pages of people saying " well, this range sucks" and moving on. Instead, it seems that the boob demons have gotten under quite a few people's skin. Hint: if you are unable to say "well, this is bad" and move on, you cut a rather amusing figure.
Now remember what I said in the my first post? I'm supporting this because it pisses the right kind of people off. Now please, go ahead and tell me, extensively and eloquently, about how wrong I am.
We both know you want to.
Supporting something "because it pisses people off" isn't being any better then the ones your chastising.
But, my opinion is the models suck because the sci fi range doesn't need any of it. Nothing new
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Olgerth Istaarn wrote: A range of gratuitously sexualized minis isn't going to damage this hobby's image, trust me...
Only because the hobby's image has already been damaged and people just assume models like that are representative of the hobby and the community as a whole.
And neither your ardent repudiation of the said range will score you points "wid da ladies".
Personal experience disagrees with you.
See, if this was just a bad model range, it would garner a couple pages of people saying " well, this range sucks" and moving on. Instead, it seems that the boob demons have gotten under quite a few people's skin. Hint: if you are unable to say "well, this is bad" and move on, you cut a rather amusing figure.
So where is the line then? Is there any point at which a product is too tasteless and offensive that people are finally allowed to do more than just say "well, this is too bad" and move on? Or is criticism never acceptable?
Now remember what I said in the my first post? I'm supporting this because it pisses the right kind of people off. Now please, go ahead and tell me, extensively and eloquently, about how wrong I am.
So you admit that you're a troll then? That you're doing something just to provoke a reaction from people?
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
If you thing that anything, anything AT ALL can be "embarrassing" to the hobby...
If you need to invoke movies and celebrities to prove (mostly to yourself) that you are still "cool" for playing with minis...
Then you've got bigger issues than tit-marines, friend.
What in the world is "cool" anyway? Your mom saying that you are cool? A range of gratuitously sexualized minis isn't going to damage this hobby's image, trust me... And neither your ardent repudiation of the said range will score you points "wid da ladies".
See, if this was just a bad model range, it would garner a couple pages of people saying " well, this range sucks" and moving on. Instead, it seems that the boob demons have gotten under quite a few people's skin. Hint: if you are unable to say "well, this is bad" and move on, you cut a rather amusing figure.
Now remember what I said in the my first post? I'm supporting this because it pisses the right kind of people off. Now please, go ahead and tell me, extensively and eloquently, about how wrong I am.
If you keep feeding it, it'll follow you home, mark my words.
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insaniak wrote: However in this case, it garnered several pages of people saying 'well, this range sucks' and then spawned ongoing discussion when people started chiming in assuming that all of the people claiming to dislike the models were doing so solely to be politically correct.
Well, to defend myself, I said this thread grew so quickly because boobs, I never said that was the dislike of the models was because of boobs, simply that if it weren't boobs it wouldn't have garnered nearly as many replies. And the discussion was 7 pages in, 7 pages which accumulated very quickly before I made that observation.
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
Wow.
Just... Wow. I have never seen models so bad before in my fifteen or so years of wargaming. They are so bad it doesn't even anger or annoy me that people defend them; it is just embarrassing.
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I should think of a new signature... In the meantime, have a
This is the wargaming equivalent of DOA, it could be the greatest game in the world and I still wouldn't play it.
As Ashiraya says above, its just embarrassing, not because OMG boobs! but because its the kind of thing that can potentially push people away from the hobby if it was their first exposure (hurr hurr) to wargaming, its gratuitous with absolutely no justification for it.
KD (for example) at least can justify it, its a body horror game but this...sheesh.
DOA kind of grew into the monster it became. Not altogether subtley mind you, since at the beginning it was all about dat ass - and boobs.
For Prodos Space Crusade is an obvious smash and grab. Using a beloved name of old to alternative demonettes and an alternative GUO (Which isn't that bad a sculpt) should have resulted in almost every post being 'shut up and take my money!'
Then they doubled down and slapped extra mammaries on the figures and expected it to be cheesecake all the way.
Why are the Demon boobs more 'realistic' than whatever the good side got? Who looked at them side by side and thought, you know. The scanty armour girls need monster tits and the demons can have normal cheesecake sized funbags?
And we don't know if these are just vapourware from a company that has struggled to provide product to its previous KS backers. There is no definite release date. There are no actual shots of resin or plastic.
Lets also mention Rusade. God! it makes my eyes itch to look at that logo. Just put the C before the friggin R!
Actually think some of those daemonettes and bikers are pretty cool and would be of interest to a lot of 40k chaos players, opening post should have pics of them maybe ?
Olgerth Istaarn wrote: If you are worried about being an adult man playing with toy soldiers and looking cool while doing it... You're a fool. Whether you field a GD-worthy army of the most sensible and well built minis or these boob demons... You are still an adult male playing with toy soldiers. You've already lost the "cool" battle to a myriad other hobbies. So might as well stop worrying about it.
If, on the other hand, you feel the extreme desire to shout "sexism! Degradation of women! Burn it in a holy fire!" Then, my friend, that's your inflamed political correctness showing. The good news is that you are in lock-step with the times. The bad? Quite simply, who are you to judge, really, what someone chooses to sculpt, paint or sell? We are still talking about bits of plastic, metal and resin here. If you don't like it, ignore it and move on, and find something more real and harmful to be outraged about. If Prodos is putting out bad product, then surely nobody will buy it and it will go away on its own, courtesy of the almighty dollar and without any help from you whatsoever.
To wit: If there were fewer attempts to police everything accordingly to the ever-evolving standards set by, frankly, tumblr-level mentality, then there would likely be fewer ceremonial nose-thumbings at the said policing. Not that Prodos is doing any of the sort mind you, they are just trying to make a buck. But the outrage around this is hilarious, really.
Agree with some of what you say, although as has been pointed out a lot of the criticism has been about the miniature sculpts. And, from the fanboys who think GW have an inalienable right to a lisence that was last used in another era.
I will say that there is probably a certain amount of subconscious discomfort with the miniatures, which probably stems in part from 40k becoming utterly de-sexualised in modern times. But, what I will say is that Prodos wouldn't be doing this, nor would Kingdom Death, nor would Brother Vinni constantly be selling inappropriately attired female miniatures if there wasn't a market for it.
Pacific wrote: I will say that there is probably a certain amount of subconscious discomfort with the miniatures, which probably stems in part from 40k becoming utterly de-sexualised in modern times.
I think it has very little to do with the current state of 40k and a lot to do with how we evaluate miniatures like this in general. They wouldn't be getting any more approval if they were something for an entirely different game, and the arguments against them would be exactly the same.
But, what I will say is that Prodos wouldn't be doing this, nor would Kingdom Death, nor would Brother Vinni constantly be selling inappropriately attired female miniatures if there wasn't a market for it.
The fact that they're in demand doesn't mean we should approve of them. If anything this demand should be something the community is embarrassed about.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
The fact that they're in demand doesn't mean we should approve of them. If anything this demand should be something the community is embarrassed about.
Spot on. I saw the titmarines and my thought was "Oh God, really?". It's not about sexism or that idiots assertion above about SJW's and "Sticking it to the PC brigade" or anything of the sort. I'm not offended or rushing to find offence. Simply that, I find these embarrassing. They make me cringe and its a perfect stereotype of the seedy underside of the wargaming hobby. I can sum up my opinion of these with this: "Not in my game".
To me, I can all too easily imagine the archetypal Cat Piss Man using these regularly who, along with making their opponents eyes water with their stench, probably makes them cringe in various ways (risque names for their models, ingame "sexy talk", inappropriate remarks to others, etc etc).
The fact that they're in demand doesn't mean we should approve of them. If anything this demand should be something the community is embarrassed about.
Spot on. I saw the titmarines and my thought was "Oh God, really?". It's not about sexism or that idiots assertion above about SJW's and "Sticking it to the PC brigade" or anything of the sort. I'm not offended or rushing to find offence. Simply that, I find these embarrassing. They make me cringe and its a perfect stereotype of the seedy underside of the wargaming hobby. I can sum up my opinion of these with this: "Not in my game".
To me, I can all too easily imagine the archetypal Cat Piss Man using these regularly who, along with making their opponents eyes water with their stench, probably makes them cringe in various ways (risque names for their models, ingame "sexy talk", inappropriate remarks to others, etc etc).
I'm not sure it's exactly fair to assume anyone who likes this miniatures is the type of person who refuses to bath and is just generally repellent. People have many different tastes and reasons for liking certain things, and these will be no different(if they ever end up in people's hands anyway).
I'm not sure it's exactly fair to assume anyone who likes this miniatures is the type of person who refuses to bath and is just generally repellent. People have many different tastes and reasons for liking certain things, and these will be no different(if they ever end up in people's hands anyway).
Unfair? Perhaps. But, to me, it's all too easy to imagine that scenario...
I'm not sure it's exactly fair to assume anyone who likes this miniatures is the type of person who refuses to bath and is just generally repellent. People have many different tastes and reasons for liking certain things, and these will be no different(if they ever end up in people's hands anyway).
Unfair? Perhaps. But, to me, it's all too easy to imagine that scenario...
So you can't imagine anyone having a good laugh, and then buying a couple of them because of the sheer ridiculousness? I can, but maybe I just have strange friends.
I can't speak for anyone else, but the more I look at them the funnier they get.
Yes, we should all be embarrassed that someone, somewhere did something that doesn't conform to our private standards of quality and good taste.
Well, judging the size of this thread and the mixture of respondents, I think it is safe to say the general perception of these is that they are poor, cringe worthy, embarrassing and definitely of poor taste.
If you like 'em, knock yourself out. But don't be surprised if they garner negative attention.
. Have yourself a grand time at the 
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