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 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Now i will certainly have to get them just to see SJW's foaming at the gaming table.

I wonder those that are the biggest opponents are the ones that throw money at the pole dancers?

I am definitely no social justice warrior, I can rant about that for hours and don't get me started on "cosplay is not consent". I also have had no issue with strippers, haven't gone to a club in many, many years but actually have a few friends that did that. They used to joke that Portland Oregon has most strip clubs and adult stores per capita than anywhere in the US. I believe Houstan is 1st place then Portland, Los Angeles, New York and Las Vegas.

 The Dwarf Wolf wrote:
Got it, i was kinda of making a joke...

BUT actually, putting the "moralism" aside: those girls are not wearing armor, just servo-arms/legs (in the case of the big armors, at least), with built in "personal shield generators" at the back pack, which make the whole idea of "cover myself in bulky sheets of plate" a nonsense. The lack of clothes is just a preference of the warriors themselves. Maybe with cultural roots? As someone pointed out, that smooth skin may be just a tight cloth (you know, real woman's rarely have skin so perfect).

In that case I apologize, always hard to tell when there isn't an emoticon. ^_^

For some background I collect Kingdom Death, although a good portion of their models are over the top for me. That is my personal preference though, I don't expect others to have the same tastes. I also have backed and have a lot of Raging Heroes miniatures. I don't have an issue with Brother Vinni's although I believe some of the sculpts are just bad design, but again that is my personal preference. I'm all for cheesecake and I have a fairly good collection of resin garage kits to back that up.

I'm actually ok with the whole suspense of reality that they are using "personal shield generators" so they don't need armor. They want to be comfortable, move freely and most every female will tell that once they get home, off work and not out the first thing they do is remove their bra (because it is uncomfortable). In half seriousness and joking manner I used to say the reason they don't need to support and they are perfect is because they are genetically engineered and utilize gravity node for support.

I can't suspend belief though with jet packs (that generate no heat, anti-grav maybe?) being worn by someone with no protection. How good is the shield if it covering her but not her equipment. The bikes are about 50/50, guess it depends on how the shields work. I like some of the sculpts but a good portion I honestly think are poor design period. The paint job doesn't help much either in my opinion although I couldn't tell you why.

I'll go to Anime as example. I love my fan service but there are times when I think it goes over the top. For example I really liked the story behind Freezing and Cross Ange, was ok with some of the more mature moments but the constant clothes ripping off and naked bodies completely detracted from the story. There would be an awesome fight scene or some deep emotional moment and then no clothes destroyed during battle. At first it was funny, after episode 1 it gets really old quickly. The story, artwork and mecha designs were great though but probably will vanish into obscurity.

Want to go cheesecake and say they are shield and antigrav generators then I have no problem with that. However I do question why do we need a really big shield? Why do we need really big shoulder pads? Why do we need a loin cloth, isn't that going to get in the way of movement (I've never understood tabards personally in a scifi setting)? How is she being held in that powersuit, because those straps won't do it, are they there in addition to clamps bolted to a metal spinal column (allah Starcraft style)? Does the forcefield only stop projectile weapons and not melee weapons, does it stop acid or liquid and if it does, how does air get through? Those are my issues with the sculpts. For me the T&A aren't the issue, the designs just seem bad to me.

In Kingdom Death defense, despite it being over the top, boutiquish it is a fantasy horror game. They start with no clothes, have to hunt, gather and create their own clothes. It makes a bit more sense they can only make some things, other things end up better and end game they are full armor sets. So if some curvy demon wants to have a dress of male parts and tongues then that fits just fine, although I did prefer the People of the Sun miniatures they did. I actually want to get Satan at some point but not ready to answer questions from my son and daughter on that yet.


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 Jehan-reznor wrote:
But i have seen the strange reactions to my Hello Kitty army and there were no boobs there, so i have to change my army or make disclaimers to not offend other people?

For the record I love your Hello Kitty army and told my daughter if she wants to get into gaming I'd make her army like that (and showed her pics of your army), which she completely loved. ^_^

I believe this discussion has gotten a lot of posts because it covers a lot of ground in difference of opinion. There are people that genuinely don't like the sculpts, just think they are bad, not because of T&A. There are people that are going "OMG sexism". There are people who are social justice warrior. There are people who are just plain against SJW so will buy to spite. There are trolls. There are people who aren't unhappy with Prodos.

I've missed a few groups, but there is more to the discussion and many groups of opinions because of it. It isn't just T&A vs No T&A objections. Where if they were just Raging Heroes style, you'd have less voices from each camp. You'd definitely have a lot less from the 'bad sculpt' camp because WH40K is the genre it fits with. You might have some people that would just say, not my style good luck. Unfortunately when things start getting labeled SJW then things spiral out because there are rarely decent discussions on opinions... just a lot of people talking. That isn't completely what this thread is, but there is some mixed in plus the other normal dislikes.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
... the sculpts aren't worse than other kick starters i have seen,

I think that depends on the criteria that they're being graded on. We've certainly seen less competently-sculpted miniatures. I've only seen a couple that were sillier concepts. And that's where my dislike for them comes from... they're so close to being something that I would like to buy... The armour styling is nice, the sculpting is competent... if they had remembered to put on the rest of their armour, they would have been a happy purchase for me.

I suspect that a part of the reason these have received the reaction that they have is that people think of Prodos as a bigger company than they actually are due to the Warzone connection, and so expect a certain standard from them that these just don't match. Miniatures that wouldn't be surprising (if no better liked) from a small start-up will meet with a considerably worse reaction when they come from a company that people think should know better.

i am just saying that people are over reacting, like you are over reacting to my post, if people are head over heals in this thread what will happen if i would field them?

I suspect that you're imbuing people's posts with a lot more frothing rage than is actually present.

 The Dwarf Wolf wrote:
Right aim, GREAT concept, awesome adeia... And a execution who would have made GW proud (and this is not a cumpliment).
Serious Prodos?

Would that be so hard to make womans in practical armor?

IF we assume the "armours" are actually just a set of servo arms/legs, and those girls are actually some sort of "amazons in space", who love the female body and dont like to cover it (for sacred reasons, maybe), why botter to cover their nipples and groins?

That was honestly my thought as well. I mean, they clearly aren't for me or anyone who wants practical gear, so why bother pretending these aren't just spank fodder. Just make them completely nude, spread legs, guns that work by blowing them, the works. Own it and double down I say.

I do think the resins look better than the painted versions. Maybe something to do with the highlights.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Wow i never would have thought that the SJW's would have reached dakkadakka in droves. I never seen this outrage on Brother Vinnie's, Raging heroes stuff or Hasslefree miniatures.

I don't think you were paying attention, then, because Vinnie's more 'exploitative' stuff has certainly copped its fair share of flak, and Raging Heroes likewise took a lot of criticism over the exagerated proportions of their females. Hasslfree tends to get a pass from most people as Kev's stuff tends to stick to more realistic proportions.

Now i will certainly have to get them just to see SJW's foaming at the gaming table.

Because going out of your way to deliberately annoy people is clearly the best way for everyone to enjoy their hobby time, no?


Alternatively, you could try actually reading the thread, at which point you might notice that most of the complaints about these minis have nothing whatsoever to do with 'social justice' ...

Don't they? a few years back people would say, too campy for me, but now we already have already 10 pages of people who gak over it, the sculpts aren't worse than other kick starters i have seen, i am just saying that people are over reacting, like you are over reacting to my post, if people are head over heals in this thread what will happen if i would field them?

And yes IMHO PC and SJW's have changed the landscape, everyone is so quickly offended these days, or maybe i am just an insensitive prick.
But i have seen the strange reactions to my Hello Kitty army and there were no boobs there, so i have to change my army or make disclaimers to not offend other people?

You're actually the only one offended.

At this point there are more people complaining about SJWs than actual SJWs

If anyone does pre-order this stuff, care to let us know when it actually turns up? Be a useful indicator for me of Prodos getting their ass into gear or not.

I heartily encourage everyone in this thread who are just buying this 'to offend SJW's' to absolutely do so, in fact buy multiple sets, immediately. Hell max out that credit card!

I'm pretty certain the amusement of knowing that you guys have spent actual money on this drek to make the world's lamest point definitely helps wash away the bad taste

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:

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 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Wow i never would have thought that the SJW's would have reached dakkadakka in droves. I never seen this outrage on Brother Vinnie's, Raging heroes stuff or Hasslefree miniatures.

I don't think you were paying attention, then, because Vinnie's more 'exploitative' stuff has certainly copped its fair share of flak, and Raging Heroes likewise took a lot of criticism over the exagerated proportions of their females. Hasslfree tends to get a pass from most people as Kev's stuff tends to stick to more realistic proportions.

Now i will certainly have to get them just to see SJW's foaming at the gaming table.

Because going out of your way to deliberately annoy people is clearly the best way for everyone to enjoy their hobby time, no?


Alternatively, you could try actually reading the thread, at which point you might notice that most of the complaints about these minis have nothing whatsoever to do with 'social justice' ...

Don't they? a few years back people would say, too campy for me, but now we already have already 10 pages of people who gak over it, the sculpts aren't worse than other kick starters i have seen, i am just saying that people are over reacting, like you are over reacting to my post, if people are head over heals in this thread what will happen if i would field them?

And yes IMHO PC and SJW's have changed the landscape, everyone is so quickly offended these days, or maybe i am just an insensitive prick.
But i have seen the strange reactions to my Hello Kitty army and there were no boobs there, so i have to change my army or make disclaimers to not offend other people?

You're actually the only one offended.

This post offend me

I am not, i just don't understand why people go on a tangent to let other people know that they don't like it and that other people also shouldn't like it.
I know it is in bad taste but there is a market for it.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Wow i never would have thought that the SJW's would have reached dakkadakka in droves. I never seen this outrage on Brother Vinnie's, Raging heroes stuff or Hasslefree miniatures.

Now i will certainly have to get them just to see SJW's foaming at the gaming table.

I wonder those that are the biggest opponents are the ones that throw money at the pole dancers?

What is everyone's problem with single Jewish females?

 Artemis Black wrote:
I heartily encourage everyone in this thread who are just buying this 'to offend SJW's' to absolutely do so, in fact buy multiple sets, immediately. Hell max out that credit card!

I'm pretty certain the amusement of knowing that you guys have spent actual money on this drek to make the world's lamest point definitely helps wash away the bad taste

Theoretically it will also give Prodos some money to ship AvP pledges Everyone's a winner!

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Artemis Black wrote:
I heartily encourage everyone in this thread who are just buying this 'to offend SJW's' to absolutely do so, in fact buy multiple sets, immediately. Hell max out that credit card!

I'm pretty certain the amusement of knowing that you guys have spent actual money on this drek to make the world's lamest point definitely helps wash away the bad taste

Theoretically it will also give Prodos some money to ship AvP pledges Everyone's a winner!

Everyone except Alien Justice Workers, they've been fighting the man, and trying to bring to life the injustice wrought upon the poor alien species who are just trying to survive in a universe filled with gun totting humans, especially the half naked chicks with awkward tits

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
I am not, i just don't understand why people go on a tangent to let other people know that they don't like it and that other people also shouldn't like it.
I know it is in bad taste but there is a market for it.

I asked this before but I'll ask it again: is there any point at which criticism of a product is appropriate? Or are we obligated to never criticize anything that other people might decide to buy, no matter how tasteless or offensive or lacking in quality it might be?

PS: I expect you to be consistent about your outrage over criticism. I'd better not see you criticizing a new GW release because there's clearly a market for it and you don't need to let everyone know how you don't like it.

Sectiplave wrote:
If anyone does pre-order this stuff, care to let us know when it actually turns up? Be a useful indicator for me of Prodos getting their ass into gear or not.

Look again at the pictures. The ass is definitely not in the gear.

I'm actually morw outraged by the fact that they are not only blatantly ripping off GW, they are also calling it freaking Space Crusade to be uber-blatant and unoriginal!

Seriously, the conscious act to stick to "boobies" as the consistent theme rather than just on some of the figures is the single original idea in this game so far. I'm surprised it doesn't take place on Space Hulk-style tiles with a backstory about the ladies being the holy warriors of an Emperor of Humanity just to round out having everything 40K-themed.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:


And yes IMHO PC and SJW's have changed the landscape, everyone is so quickly offended these days, or maybe i am just an insensitive prick.
But i have seen the strange reactions to my Hello Kitty army and there were no boobs there, so i have to change my army or make disclaimers to not offend other people?

Obviously you don't get it, so I'll spell it out for you so you can stop making stuff up to suit your naritive.

It's not SJW or PC, so knock it off. I'm tired of people trying to get me to buy their products by putting in Clan Bikini. It's been done so many times that it's just eye-ball rolling at this point, and it's tiring that people think that's the best way to bring in The Moneys. Better sculpts, better themes will bring in The Moneys, but that takes work, and this is just lazy.

The end.

Wow. I don't understand the design of this armor at all. You have to carry all that weight without having any protection of the vitals. It's the worst of both worlds really. Like that Dreadnought looking thing. Why have all that heavy armor plating when you're just going to hang out of it half naked? All it'd take is a stray bullet to take down that walking tank.





(I am of course being obtuse on purpose. I know the purpose of these models and, frankly, it's silly cheesecake for the sake of being cheesecake)

I think I've figured it out! Prodoss hasn't delivered AVP yet because they spent all their money on cocaine! Because Hunter S. Thompson levels of drug use are the only fething way to think this is a good idea.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Wow. I don't understand the design of this armor at all. You have to carry all that weight without having any protection of the vitals. It's the worst of both worlds really. Like that Dreadnought looking thing. Why have all that heavy armor plating when you're just going to hang out of it half naked? All it'd take is a stray bullet to take down that walking tank.

That was my thought as well. I mean, there's probably a hundred pounds of armor up there, and no connection to the lower half of the suit that bears all the weight. You could probably kill them by gently pushing on the top bit and watching their spines snap.

 Laughing Man wrote:
That was my thought as well. I mean, there's probably a hundred pounds of armor up there, and no connection to the lower half of the suit that bears all the weight. You could probably kill them by gently pushing on the top bit and watching their spines snap.

Genetically engineered test tube babies grown in a vat with the best traits and stats. Their spine is reinforced alloy with adamantium like Wolverine and the armor is grafted into injection ports, utilizing a mini antigravity device.

I like these miniatures and if I played 40k....I might even buy some to mix in to a Army to make it different looking. But all I play and buy is bloodbowl stuff so I wont.

I'm all about defending them and fighting the fight and etc etc blah blah blah ....

However..

Even I found it funny that not only do they have under boob...they ALSO have a boob window. Thats dedication to the cause.

Second. Painting the skin a glossy black like its a undersuit sounds like a really good idea and would look cool I think.


Excuse my super quick photo shopping

 Peregrine wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
I am not, i just don't understand why people go on a tangent to let other people know that they don't like it and that other people also shouldn't like it.
I know it is in bad taste but there is a market for it.

I asked this before but I'll ask it again: is there any point at which criticism of a product is appropriate? Or are we obligated to never criticize anything that other people might decide to buy, no matter how tasteless or offensive or lacking in quality it might be?

PS: I expect you to be consistent about your outrage over criticism. I'd better not see you criticizing a new GW release because there's clearly a market for it and you don't need to let everyone know how you don't like it.

Do you understand tangent? Some people seem that it is their task to show other people that if they think it is wrong, everybody should think it is wrong.
I can criticize anything i want, i just not go pages on about it, so if it is not PC and not SJW, then Boobie armor is okay and we can talk just about the sculpt quality

Kid_Kyoto
What is everyone's problem with single Jewish females?

That they are still single?

 Dark Severance wrote:

 Laughing Man wrote:
That was my thought as well. I mean, there's probably a hundred pounds of armor up there, and no connection to the lower half of the suit that bears all the weight. You could probably kill them by gently pushing on the top bit and watching their spines snap.

Genetically engineered test tube babies grown in a vat with the best traits and stats. Their spine is reinforced alloy with adamantium like Wolverine and the armor is grafted into injection ports, utilizing a mini antigravity device.

And yet they still give them shoddy and ineffective armor.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Do you understand tangent? Some people seem that it is their task to show other people that if they think it is wrong, everybody should think it is wrong.
I can criticize anything i want, i just not go pages on about it, so if it is not PC and not SJW, then Boobie armor is okay and we can talk just about the sculpt quality

I see, so what you're really saying here is "disagreeing with me is a tangent and needs to be stopped, we can only talk about what I want to talk about". Sorry, but no, it's a discussion forum. If you don't like seeing people criticize the existence of models like this then you're free to leave the thread.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Do you understand tangent? Some people seem that it is their task to show other people that if they think it is wrong, everybody should think it is wrong.
I can criticize anything i want, i just not go pages on about it, so if it is not PC and not SJW, then Boobie armor is okay and we can talk just about the sculpt quality

I see, so what you're really saying here is "disagreeing with me is a tangent and needs to be stopped, we can only talk about what I want to talk about". Sorry, but no, it's a discussion forum. If you don't like seeing people criticize the existence of models like this then you're free to leave the thread.

That is not what i said, I forgot you are the one who said that he is always right.
You won the internet fight have a cookie

everyone ignored my picture in favor of internet fighting....I'm the sad....:(

 rayphoton wrote:

Second. Painting the skin a glossy black like its a undersuit sounds like a really good idea and would look cool I think.


Excuse my super quick photo shopping

That does actualy look surprisingly good. Quite Dredd-ish.

 rayphoton wrote:
everyone ignored my picture in favor of internet fighting....I'm the sad....:(

I like it you could also paint in armour color

 rayphoton wrote:
I like these miniatures and if I played 40k....I might even buy some to mix in to a Army to make it different looking. But all I play and buy is bloodbowl stuff so I wont.

I'm all about defending them and fighting the fight and etc etc blah blah blah ....

However..

Even I found it funny that not only do they have under boob...they ALSO have a boob window. Thats dedication to the cause.

Second. Painting the skin a glossy black like its a undersuit sounds like a really good idea and would look cool I think.


Excuse my super quick photo shopping

These would make for some cool Agents of the Imperium like Inquisitors, acolytes, assassins etc.

I think the weird proportions are too glaring even when painted as a bodysuit.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
That is not what i said, I forgot you are the one who said that he is always right.

No, that's exactly what you said. You said that it's ok to criticize sculpt quality, but not any of that "SJW" stuff. IOW, only criticism that you approve of is allowed.