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524 is the minimum, but it's not going to be what it actually is because you'll probably want to upgrade to Meganobz, PK, Boss Nobs, possibly more Boyz...it all adds up.

 oldzoggy wrote:

Let's not forget you need the core, which looks to be ~ 1k,

If the unit sizes etc of tthe waaaghband is the same as the old warband formation then it would only be 524 points.


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The tax for a painboy is just silly.


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Lets hope on an Ork codex soom this might be good with a new codex.

I wouldn't put your hopes up too high, given how IG are considered "updated" with the Cadia supplement, I fear this will be considered our "Band-Aid" to our codex for the time being. If they do rewrite our codex I really hope it includes a team or at least one person with a proper passion for Orks that reflects it through the rules. We deserve at least that.

The only way this orkurian would be good with a new dex is if everything in codex is half the price. All across the board.
Grots ,1pt
Boyz 3pts
Pk 12pts
Killa Kan 25pts
Stompa 300pts

 Frozocrone wrote:

gungo wrote:

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:

 Swampmist wrote:
Again, main thing is that you can get infinite waaagh with Ghaz, meaning your army is fearless and ghaz gets his 2+ invuln.

Thats if you bring him in his council formation which is very expensive and not even that great of a deathstar for its huge cost.

It's 614pts over half of which is ghaz and mad doc. It's not that bad unless you go all mega armour or pk on everyone

But it's so...underwhelming.

Let's not forget you need the core, which looks to be ~ 1k,

So you've got ~1614 points and that's without upgrades and an auxilliary! So you'll have to take cheap stuff like Deffkoptas for Objectives just to have enough points to spend on your 'deathstar'.

EDIT: Confirmed. HAHAHAHAHAHA. No.

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Because let's look at another issue, if you want Ghaz as your Warlord in the formation, you have to forgo Pain Boyz, or take Gretchin Tax in CAD. But with the amount of points you spend to get Ghaz, you might not even have enough for Painboys.

So Fearless or FnP? Take your pick.

You do realize mad doc is a pain boy?
Also the starter box has a painboy with unknown rules.

I do, I'm talking about the rest of the army.

Because in this day and age of Ignore Cover and Ork fantastic access to Invulnerable/great armour saves, FnP is the one way we actually get a save.

My first reaction was this is crap. But really it isn't that crappy. Sure it could be better but just look at what we got.

- Turn 1 Boyz in trukks + boarding planks are likely to charge 24"
- Army wide fearless -> No more crappy mob rule
- Ghaz 2+ invul

I am seriously considering building a council of the waagh right now .



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so you spend 1138 for that + 10 free slots and for the rest you can take your cad. The only downside I see is the dramatic lack of looted wagons ...

WOW this whole thing is a slap in the face.

And why do digital owners get it for free. How about the people that bought the book and paid the same amount.

Go to a local copy shop, print out those few new pages and put them in the book. At least that is what I would do .
This is really just a errata like update if you already own the book.

Well getting more then 1 painboy has always been an issue.
The pain mob is actually not a lot of points so I hope the rules are decent. Army wide fnp and iwnd is pretty decent but I doubt it's that.

For invul KFF are still decent.

 oldzoggy wrote:
My first reaction was this is crap. But really it isn't that crappy. Sure it could be better but just look at what we got.

- Turn 1 Boyz in trukks + boarding planks are likely to charge 24"
- Army wide fearless -> No more crappy mob rule
- Ghaz 2+ invul

I am seriously considering building a council of the waagh right now .



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so you spend 1138 for that + 10 free slots and for the rest you can take your cad. The only downside I see is the dramatic lack of looted wagons ...

But it is. It's entirely reliant on you keeping the Warlord alive. Once he goes, so does your army benefit.

One question The council of waaagh can't run can it ?


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I completely agree that this is not the flexible Decution we where hoping for. ( I would rrather have somthing I could use with my own nice warlord)

But as a Ghaz army this is kinda great.
The fact that it crumbles when ghazzy is dead isn't good at all but I kinda like the thematics of it.

Council can run. Ghaz overrides SnP.

I feel like the fact that the formation requires 6 units of boyz and the HoW only takes effect if the unit is over 10 models kind of works against itself.

Most people would only take the bare minimum size nob squad, which is 5, then maybe a 12 man Trukk mob?

6 units of Boyz IMO is what makes that detachment eat itself. Otherwise it could be at least playable and I'd probably try it.

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 Frozocrone wrote:
Council can run. Ghaz overrides SnP.

Where are people getting army wide fearless from?

The Waaagh of ghazz

 TedNugent wrote:
Where are people getting army wide fearless from?

Ghazghkull's warlord trait makes all ork units during a WAAAGH fearless, ergo with every turn being a WAAAGH it's effectively permanent fearless as long as he lives.

RE never mind.

So you have to make a council, which is 650 minimum, then one of those formations as a core choice.

 TedNugent wrote:
The wagh of ghaz doesn't give fearless.

His Warlord Trait allows a model which normally couldn't to call a Waagh!. Since Ghazghkull can call a Waagh! it instead grants "Fearless" to models that have the "Ere We Go" special rule.

Yeah I was looking under prophet of gork and mork.

isn't council 650 with no wargear and no transport?

Then you'd need 6 units of 10 ork boyz, one unit of nobz at 5 men, a big mek, a warboss (3 warbosses in 1 formation? lol), plus a unit of gretchin. That's another 585 before transports or wargear. I guess you'd be able to save points on bosspoles, lol.

I'm getting 1235.

I wouldn't bother wise the ghazz and run a bunch of trukk boyz and storm boyz for first turn charges

Ghaz isn't exactly an easy warboss to kill
2+ invul every turn
2+ armour save
5+ fnp with rerolls with squig or 6+fnp if you kill mad doc first
Eternal warrior
And 4 wounds on t5
And 4+ look out sir

He's a beast in combat as well. Ws6/7 str10 ap2 5-6 atks int4
He can move run charge each turn with rerolls.

Not exactly a just kill him and the army falls apart easy target.
I can only hope my opponent wastes time trying to kill him so the rest of the army makes it into combat.

What does the waaaghband do? Nothing?

You're buying literally an entire army just to have that Ghazghkull stats though.

 Swampmist wrote:
Again, main thing is that you can get infinite waaagh with Ghaz, meaning your army is fearless and ghaz gets his 2+ invuln.

The thing that pisses me off is that i was doing this for 3 editions base. I didnt need to pay any huge unit taxes or run special formations, that was just how Orks worked. Yes Ghazy getting 2++ is nice, but the Fearless thing is just them giving my old Mob Rule back.

You're getting very meta, dude.

This discussion is about whether this update to the supplement makes the 7th ed codex more gak or less gak or the same level of gak than it was before the update.

Any clue on what relics we can use in the decurion? Mix and match both codex and supplement?

Guys...there are some sneaky things in here.

According to the codex, the Waaaagh caller does not have to be on the table to call it...so take a minimum warboss as warlord, 60 pts, and keep him in reserve. The take a ton of base stormboyz (a few with powerklaws) and assault with them.

Orks now are the kings of turn 1 assault.

It isn't a necron decurion, but it could win games.

 TedNugent wrote:
You're buying literally an entire army just to have that Ghazghkull stats though.

No your not
You're paying 614 points for a tough warlord with a hard hitting melee unit to give your entire army fearless.

The decorian is simple waaagh every turn.
The biggest disappointment to me was the three new formations.
I wish there were better individual formations for the decorian like a biker formation with +1 cover and obj secured or free upgrades on boys squads like shoota and eavy armour and free pk for nobs but overall this decorian is just an MSU army list.

 TedNugent wrote:
You're getting very meta, dude.

This discussion is about whether this update to the supplement makes the 7th ed codex more gak or less gak or the same level of gak than it was before the update.

Its still gak!! This fixes nothing. "But we get Fearless..." Ya for like 1200+ points. This thing is basically unplayable as anything other than Old School Green Tide, except then you dont get First Turn charge, cuz the boyz arent in trukks.

Now you could use your remaining points to buy as many Stormboyz as possible to tie up the enemy until the footslggers arrive to crash into them, but thats one build. And if i wanted one build id just go and run the Unkillable Stompa.

And yea im getting meta! People are getting excited about Fearless Orks, except that we where that for 3 F******G editions before this piece of trash existed, and now they hand it back to use and expect me to be happy with paying 600+ points, for a Character i dont want to run, to get a bonus i used to have, to run an army comp i dont want.

F**K. THEM. I am done, i am beyond insulted by this, especially since i own the fething hardcover version of this, so where is my update???