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If this game has the following, which it has every reasonable chance to, I am going to be wrecked.

1. Traditional CMoN levels of volume (stretch-goals, models, expansion options/add-ons)

2. Persistent campaign game (including gear, leveling with options, between-game SOMETHING like towns/travel events/base-building... anything)

3. A little more meat/mechanical complexity than Zombicide (IE something to make gearing, special attacks, etc... feel like they mean something)

I expect the first, I am hopeful for the second, but am worried about the third. Fingers crossed, I guess.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
If this game has the following, which it has every reasonable chance to, I am going to be wrecked.

1. Traditional CMoN levels of volume (stretch-goals, models, expansion options/add-ons)

2. Persistent campaign game (including gear, leveling with options, between-game SOMETHING like towns/travel events/base-building... anything)

3. A little more meat/mechanical complexity than Zombicide (IE something to make gearing, special attacks, etc... feel like they mean something)

I expect the first, I am hopeful for the second, but am worried about the third. Fingers crossed, I guess.

They have to know that number two is a necessity, I hope. I'm still backing Dark Souls, but who the hell wants a dungeon crawler where you crawl one dungeon and then retire your character? That's long been one of my chief complaints with Super Dungeon Explore (though I do still love the game), and they've addressed that with Legends.

I'm quite excited for this, but no campaign would severely kill my hype!

We all know this is coming and lots of us will support it. Here's a radical (for CMoN) idea. Release the preliminary rules now and get feedback before the Kickstarter campaign when you can still make improvements!

IIRC, CMON has released campaigns for its Zombicide, so hopefully campaigns will be available somehow.

CMON EXPO is next weekend!

News about MASSIVE DARKNESS should be breaking soon!

In the meantime:

CMON and Guillotine Games, makers of Zombicide, team up once again to bring players a new, dungeon crawl board game: Massive Darkness. Experience fantasy tabletop gaming that keeps the focus on the heroes’ actions, freeing players from having a dedicated game master. Kickstarter is coming late May, and a prototype of the game will be playable at CMON Expo.

Reminder from a few pages back:

http://cmon.com/massive-darkness-is-coming/


Lots of artwork pics if you follow that link too.

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Looks to have a campaign mode too - I think that's me cancelling my Dark Souls pledge now too...

I've held off on pretty much all KS purchases the last few months in anticipation of this. Very excited!

 greywulf wrote:
I've held off on pretty much all KS purchases the last few months in anticipation of this. Very excited!

Yup.. this is part of the factor in my decision to drop Second Tide. Boxes are piling up and at $100+ buy ins I've started learning more restraint. I wish games still fit in HQ size boxes :/

EDIT: What's in her quiver.. it looks like pastries on a stick... or javelins if we're being generous. It definitely doesn't look like the flight end of a bunch of arrows.

Dungeon crawl that's totally coop or solo? Miniatures, art, and game by Guillotine Games? SOLD...

Zombicide, Black Plague, Blood Rage, all have amazing minis, awesome gameplay, collectability/exclusivity, the art is good, the doards, tokens, etc, are all well done, I have no complaints (except for the wait after a kickstarter pledge).

This game might just take the cake. I may sell all my 40k now, I've already posted most of my other games for sale. This one will be one to remember!

I hope we see dragons, skeletons, orcs, mummies, trolls, demons, etc. Crossovers for black rage would be great too (heros and monsters).

I hope the boards are compatible with Black Plague, that would help both games develops that much faster. Also it would be nice to see not-black plague versions of the Black Plague heroes. Basically the heroes before the zombie invasion.

Clearly the Black Plague heroes need Massive Darkness crossover stats, right?

 Alpharius wrote:
Clearly the Black Plague heroes need Massive Darkness crossover stats, right?

Depending on the rules, maybe you can just use the dashboards straight up?

Minis that reflect upgraded heroes would be great. I'm hoping there's a 50/50 gender representation and/or alt male & female minis for each of the classes. Black Plague really didnt do too well in that category, at least with the stretchgoals. But since this is going to be class oriented and i want my daughter to have a chance to play too, i hope to heck the female minis arent just confined to the traditional female classes of magic users and long range or stealth fighters. A female fighter should be available too.

 greywulf wrote:
Minis that reflect upgraded heroes would be great. I'm hoping there's a 50/50 gender representation and/or alt male & female minis for each of the classes. Black Plague really didnt do too well in that category, at least with the stretchgoals. But since this is going to be class oriented and i want my daughter to have a chance to play too, i hope to heck the female minis arent just confined to the traditional female classes of magic users and long range or stealth fighters. A female fighter should be available too.

Give me a lady Paladin in some bad-ass plate! Like, real plate, not a plate bikini. Agreed on the the hope of alternate class models so there's equal gender representation.

Ugh.. and.. this just became another gender equality thread.. yay..

Haha... er... sigh... Is it too much to wish that there be fair representation of female figures as well? Wow...

Look at the gaming base... yes females play but 90% of all the flgs I've been to are all male. If that's your target audience, that's who they should cater to (sorry, I am a businessman, and that's just good business). To reverse your logic of your daughter wanting to play as a female and wanting more ladies, why would a bunch of dudes want to play as females?

I thought black plague had a fine mix. With the core set and first expansion, I have three females and seven males. That is a fair representation .

Anyway, getting pc out of the game forums... It will be interesting to see how the boards are. Almost every dungeon crawl game uses different sized tiles, hallways, etc with small single min only grids. Zombicide has always used large tiles with large grids. It would be great to be able to use the tiles with black plague (or vice versa). That would open up a ton of possibilities for scenario building!

I hope there is forward and backward compatibility between this and BP (tiles, heroes, monsters). Really looking forward to this! I hope they start posting mini sculpts soon.

PC hahaha. What a sad thing to say since my motivation has nothing to do with being PC. It has to do with having options. And to respond to your question Why would a bunch of dudes want to play as female characters? Answer: Maybe because they want to?

I bought into super dungeon explore and myth, partly because they had a good mix of genders. Myth did alternates for all player characters, and the latest SDE did as well, and i was happy. Why make a decent amount of female characters? Why not?

According to your business model if 90% of flgss are male and GG and CMON only want to target flgs-goers, then the 30%/70% female male mix you pointed out is present in BP is a poor business decision, because according to what you said, dudes dont want to play female characters. why not 10%/90%? That would align more with your obviously successful business strategies.

Im absolutely sickened by the disgusting attitude of some people. All i did was express a wish and people want to grind it into the dust. Why try to shoot down what i said? I had nothing more to say about it until i got ignorant responses. Now i feel like banging some drums!

Sorry if you are 'sickened' or 'disgusted' by other forum members. We all have our own opinions, and our right to state as such in a public forum. Calling others ignorant because they disagree with you is... ignorant itself, juvenile, and uncalled for. The world is full of diversity of opinions, and the forums are here so we can all openly discuss our games, opinions, experiences, etc.

If you want to see people getting shot down for expressing a wish, go to any age of sigmar forum. Those are bloody mean sometimes, esp. if you like the game like I do. However I don't call others derogatory terms because they hate aos.

If you like playing with female minis, that is great. The flgs bit was based on sales from our two local flgs. Zombicide is more of a home-played game even though it is sold in flgs, which I'm sure is why they included more females. The whole business point was to justify why companies may do what they do. I have several degrees in business, was just trying to use logic instead of name calling.

So anyway, back on topic

Anyone have any speculation on creature classes? So far I have seen goblins, orcs, trolls, gnomes (different from most games there), and medusa. Really hoping for a GG dragon of some type, or maybe dragonborn hero or monsters?

If only 10% of the players are female, that seems like a pretty big untapped market to me?

Would make sense to attempt to make the potential growth market not feel excluded, by providing female sculpts (even if they choose to not always play with the female versions).

Not really. Little thing called "demographics". Besides, clever companies put make the maximum return on the least risk. That's how most things work.

 greywulf wrote:
Haha... er... sigh... Is it too much to wish that there be fair representation of female figures as well? Wow...

Or maybe just let the designers design what they want to design. Sounds reasonable to me.

Besides, if the characters are named warriors rather than "Generic Barbarian #438-C", then they are characters, and cannot just be chopped and changed for an alternate fig.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


Besides, if the characters are named warriors rather than "Generic Barbarian #438-C", then they are characters, and cannot just be chopped and changed for an alternate fig.

From what (little) we have to go on, it sounds like choosing a class instead of choosing a character, so, yeah, there should absolutely be options for you character figure. If it is choosing a character like Zombicide, then, agreed, it's not quite as easy. Not to mention, I've seen a lot of comments about the lack of female characters in many of the past CMON kickstarters. Demographics and all that, sure, but there's very clearly a demand, and a smart business should at least be aware of what their consumers want. Will it happen? Probably not, but I feel it's not unfair of us to want.

Anecdotal evidence be what it may, but the gender ratio is a frequent, eh, grievance (not sure if that's exactly the word I'm looking for) in my gaming group. I'm not expecting it to be 50/50, designers should get to design what they want... But when it gets to Mortal Kombat X levels, it's something to keep in mind.

 Zywus wrote:
If only 10% of the players are female, that seems like a pretty big untapped market to me?

I would definitely be interested in more female characters. Especially Paladins, Fighters, Barbarians, and other melee warriors.

1) We should probably wait until the campaign launches before we get too worked up about...just about anything.

2) There are plenty of threads to discuss 'gender equality in miniatures' - and this really won't be another one of them. If that's what you really want to discuss, please go to one of those specific threads.

Thanks!

Hey Cincy, Any chance of a spoiler for what the base pledge costs will be, I don't need details as to what is included, but need to start planning on what the minimum $$$ amount will be beside a $1 pledge to get in the door.

I'm guessing it'll be similar to Black Plague.

100 base, as well as a higher tier 150 base and initial expansion that might get certain stretch goals that the lower level doesn't.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'm guessing it'll be similar to Black Plague.

100 base, as well as a higher tier 150 base and initial expansion that might get certain stretch goals that the lower level doesn't.

That'd be my guess too - with probably a few more add-on bosses and expansions as well.

Maybe some 'guest artist boxes' and such too?

Yeah, I'm saving a decent amount for this. I think I can get the boy into this and maybe the wife if it's simple enough.

Well, I hope it's not TOO simple though!

Would love to get this since I own Black Plague, but it'll be hard to justify after getting both Darklight and Dark Souls... Btw lots of Darkness in these games!