Massive Darkness (CMON) News and Rumors Thread

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**greywulf**

I'll take one of those!

**Alpharius**

I'm hoping for at least 2 poses too...

**usernamesareannoying**

my skaven just wet themselves...

**cincydooley**

usernamesareannoying wrote:
my skaven just wet themselves...

Couple that with the ratbomination from Black Plague......

**Alpharius**

Looks like that's a 'no' on the multiple poses front:

CMON Team Thiago Aranha about 1 hour ago

@Justin Boehm: Massive Darkness doesn't have alternate poses for the same model. That's the price for having a large variety of enemy types.

**DaveC**

3 new tiles and not KS exclusive so there must be another box set/expansion coming up

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

I asked for more mobs and they've started to deliver

sold

(exchange rate at the end permitting)

**Wehrkind**

I like the rat, though they have surprisingly good posture across the board. Must have spent a lot of time balancing oranges on their heads?

**JohnHwangDD**

I'm OK with the Lava tiles, but would rather have gotten ratmen instead... maybe there will be another mob that gets bundled in besides the cavemen.

**whalemusic360**

Looks like they could be cut and glued with minor work for more poses. Wouldn't be worth it for MD or some other uses, but for Skaven or whatever might be worthwhile.

**blckorder**

Anyone care to venture a guess as to how the Ratmen scale compared to Skaven models?

**Alpharius**

I'm surprisingly OK with not getting multiple poses here.

As WM360 notes, they won't be too hard to modify anyway, plus they'll serves fine 'as is' for a game of Massive Darkness.

I'm hoping the 'lava tiles' means a Demon Enemy Box is looming!

**xevv**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
I'm OK with the Lava tiles, but would rather have gotten ratmen instead... maybe there will be another mob that gets bundled in besides the cavemen.

Agreed, super disappointed that the rats werent unlocked and the tiles were the addon.

**Theophony**

Alpharius wrote:
I'm surprisingly OK with not getting multiple poses here.

As WM360 notes, they won't be too hard to modify anyway, plus they'll serves fine 'as is' for a game of Massive Darkness.

I'm hoping the 'lava tiles' means a Demon Enemy Box is looming!

Here I'm still thinking crossover to the B-Sieged universe. Lava=Molen . They could easily do crossover deck just like the BP ones and then there's the dragon from B-Sieged

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**Yodhrin**

cincydooley wrote:
usernamesareannoying wrote:
my skaven just wet themselves...

Couple that with the ratbomination from Black Plague......

Which, people should be aware, is more Hell Pit Abomination than Rat Ogre. It's a bloody lovely model mind, but it overhangs its 70mm base so mine will have to be repurposed from its intended use as a Clan Pestilens Rat Ogre for Mordheim.

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

Those are some of my favorite Rat-men across the entire industry. Sad they're monopose, but man are they pretty.

Plus, tiles, to me, implies a way of incorporating more tiles into dungeons, which is essentially my last wish-list item.... IE more ways to procedurally generate quests/dungeon layouts for "Story Mode". Hopefully the expansion they will ultimately be part of also means more loot, events, town-phase, stuff.

**Alpharius**

And we're now into $100K stretch goal territory too...

**BigDaddio**

The gap in stretch goals makes sense, financially. Costs for CMON increase exponentially the more free stuff is added, while the number of backers also increases. I think they learned their lesson on this in past projects.

I know plenty have expressed desire for more tiles, and I am definitely not opposed to them, but in all seriousness there are plenty of combinations to be had for the tiles included in the base game. I know I plan on utilizing various other boardgame or dungeon-crawler tiles in some fashion for MD. I may even splurge and finally get those Hirst Arts molds I've always wanted.

I did a really stupid thing earlier.....visited the KS comments page. Just....yikes. Nearly had to poke my eyes out.

**Theophony**

Be nice if there were transition tiles from ZBP to MD. All city tiles are light zones except rooms (which I think is what the lava tiles do as well).

**Azazelx**

greywulf wrote:
Well I'm glad, according to cincy, that CMON is happy with how this is going. And i am too. But i dont feel the ambition and creativity of this campaign that the Zombicide ones had. Add ons were constantly introduced in previous campaigns that introduced new ideas, like archers and doors, new artistic styles, with the guest boxes, and all pulled together well in a relatively consistent visual way by the amazing sculptors employed. I dont just want freebie stretchgoals. I want to pay for addons. And it should be recognized that many of those paid addons were introduced independent of the stretchgoals. I dont know whether CMON built the development cost into the campaign plan and only published about the availability of an addon when certain totals were hit, or whether CMON planned to release them all along regardless of the total. But anyways, the addons really kept me excited in previous campaigns so the general lack here is just really recognizable. My two cents. I recognize not everyone (or anyone?) feels the same way.

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CMON went out on a limb for many of these addons and paid artists and sculptors probably months before. I just feel that they were a lot more cautious is all, and it's noticeable. I wish they'd been a bit more ambitious.

You know, I'm happy with there not being a metric feth ton of paid add-ons. It keeps this campaign managable both in terms of space and finances. I might add-on an additional base pledge and 1-2 of those Trog boxes to make wargaming units with if I'm really feeling a need to add stuff on, but I'm pretty much happy with it as is, and without all of the pop culture KS exclusive add-ons.

**-Loki-**

Yay Ratlings. Since they're an add-on, I'll wait for them to hit retail. Lava tiles sound interesting, and it's always nice to have more variety in tiles.

**cincydooley**

I don't think this has been confirmed yet, but the Black Plague tiles are 100% compatible with these.

**Moopy**

Alpharius wrote:
I'm surprisingly OK with not getting multiple poses here.

I'm wondering if a pose = it's roll in the game.

All the agents seem to have the same pose so I'm wondering if that helps identify them as agents when stuck in a large group.

**Alpharius**

It should certainly help, especially when mobs of them are on the board!

More info on the rather lackluster Lava Tiles:

The Lava tiles will probably be double sided, but I'm not sure what will be on the back. There are only really 3 Lava tile artworks we created, and that's it. Most likely the back of each tile will have a repeat of its corresponding core box tile layout.

Jun 24 2016 on Massive Darkness

In essence the Lava tiles only play around with Light/Shadow distribution. But there's nothing stopping either us or you from adding some new effects to them.

Jun 24 2016 on Massive Darkness

I really hope they're part of some larger expansion box effort...

...though that would mean another $400 - $500K worth of 'stretch goals' to fill it up!

**-Loki-**

Well it leaves room for other tiles if we get that far. Another set of three in another stretch goal could be printed on the reverse.

I'm a bit disappointed they didn't tie them in with the Elementals. Three lava, three water, three air (deep crevices) and three rocky cave. All with different effects on the 'elemental' part of the tile.

**Theophony**

They could do some sort of effect card in the random effect deck that there's a lava surge and anyone in the lava areas take 1 damage. This would affect the creatures also. Maybe it could heal the fire type critters while doing it as well, or when the fire elemental is on the board it doubles any damage caused by the surge.

**BigDaddio**

That's a good idea, and also why I wish they'd offer some blank cards as an add-on.

**-Loki-**

Any chance of even the base game delivering by Christmas? I considered double dipping as a Christmas gift for my nephews but if it's got no chance of delivering by Christmas, well... awkward.

**Theophony**

It's not even scheduled till like April, so better plan a different gift.

Also $2million dollars

**-Loki-**

Hadn't planned it yet, just thought they'd have a blast with it. Might get them Black Plague instead.