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So female cosplayers go to events dressed in the minimum amount of clothing possible that won't get them arrested because they want to make other women jealous? Here I was thinking that it was more to do with being able to dress as slutty as possible just to yell at people who then look at them.

My buddy went to Comic con last year and took a picture of an amazing sign that apparently is common now at most of these types of events "Do not take pictures of COSPLAYERS without their consent". So now not only are you not allowed to make comments about the half nude female cosplayers your apparently not allowed to take pictures at these events because they don't want people to see them dressed like that?

anyway, back on topic. This happened in Canada and I know nothing about the laws in Canada, but in the US at least we have a thing called innocent until proven guilty, what this woman has done is made a lot of accusations at specific individuals and businesses and then proceeded to not provide any actual evidence to substantiate these claims. In the US if a company felt the need they could sue this young woman for defamation of character and more.

Would it be ok for me to walk into a starbucks and say that the barista behind the counter sexually assaulted me when I went to the bathroom and therefore they needed to make me the president of "White guys not being discriminated against or sexually assaulted while getting over priced crappy coffee"?

If you think that she should be allowed some kind of position at that company based upon her rant then by that same logic I should go make a blog and say I was sexually assaulted all over the place and start making bank.

Are you parody?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
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If it makes you any happier before warhammer fantasy was murdered they had a crap ton of female characters and units. As I said before both undead factions had female characters (Isabella, neferata and that viper mummy queen) and VC also had a female unit (coven throne), all 3 elf factions also had women, lizardmen were asexual I think, ogres had an odd female character with a rolling pin (ogres were mostly for cheap and somewhat childish humor like fart miscasts), not sure if daemonettes count as female or hermaphroditic and last I can recall warriors of chaos had valkia the bloody as a character. As far as female representation goes that's actually quite a lot considering how few female players I see in the store. Today at the GW I saw a grand total of 1 woman in there and probably a good 15 guys and the woman was a mom that normally played with her son. Maybe it's different in different stores but in the GW store in Michigan near Rochester Hills that's exactly what happened today. In fact usually not many women come there though it sounded like one of the managers sharing time there was going to be female. Not sure how that makes me feel. Hopefully she's not the pretty variety (as that would cause untold awkwardness) but if she is she'll probably be taken. If she's not pretty I'd be more normal. I could totally see the business using an attractive nerdy girl to attract lots of nerdy male customers though. Dunno if she even knows about warhammer though. That said some girls are insanely knowledgeable on it.

As good as I am with jokes it helps when it just comes to me rather than having someone set it up for me I think. I'm not too thrilled about seeing a lot more women in xcom 2 as far as soldier recruits go. Maybe it's just my game or odd random chance but I seem to find the game has far more female soldiers than male ones whether as rookies to be recruited, hq soldier and staff recruitments or as rewards for missions. I suppose at the end of the day you can customize so it's whatever. I'd prefer a 50/50 split myself. In xcom 2 it'd make sense as this is guerilla warfare and realistically whoever can pick up a gun wields it so there is no formal training or people saying who can fight and who can't. That said a 70% or so female to male ratio is kind of odd. The engineers and scientists make less sense though. Scientists I can fully accept women in that field and I've seen girls super interested in biology and at times chemistry. My physics class seemed to have a decent split as far as I could tell. That said with engineers from what classes I've seen it's one of those classes in school where men just dominate the class by a ridiculous margin like 90/10 or 95/5. That said when I went to psychology women outnumbered the guys like 3 to 1. I'd also imagine girls are more artistically inclined. I remember one toonami contest where they'd show pieces of art and their creators and they commented something along the lines of 'There are so many girls sending in art. We'd like to see some from you guys as well.' Anyway as far as xcom 2 and enemy within went it was kind of a small gripe. The all female squad achievement in 'enemy unknown' was just crap. That said it'd never ruin the game for me and be a 'no buy'. Though I have considered it with GW after the death of warhammer fantasy and AoS fiasco that resulted in wargamers fighting amongst each other and GW alienating a chunk of their fans.

Oddly I find myself to like some characters that are black. In the starcraft universe I liked Tosh and Duran. Though Warfield was an awful general (as far as I can tell) you have to admit it takes balls of steel to sucker punch a hydralisk to death and when suffering from poison convince the doctor to cut off his arm and replace it with an arm cannon so he can be in the final fight. Lord knows I can never call in a sick day in good conscience after that.

I'd say women and black people have it considerably better than they used to. Do some problems exist? Maybe. Do white guys or even just guys have problems too? Yeah. I'm not even saying I want a guy problem to be fixed for every girl problem fixed. Even if it was a 7 girl problems for every 3 guy problems fixed it'd feel like more than the feminists tend to address and that bothers me. End of the day though equality is an odd thing. Should I be treated equal to somebody that's put out infinitely more effort than me? No not even a little. Personally I find personal experiences and hardships to be more telling of who has had it bad or who is privileged than a person's gender or race. My dad though sorta racist and a jerk lived in a mostly black neighborhood when he was young and they treated him like crap because he was white. I don't imagine his family had that much money and he ended up becoming an engineer and making a lot. My original point is this. Sure you have hardship but you can only blame people so much. Some might debate it but Jewish people have been crapped on repeatedly and yet they have done reasonably well. Perhaps many are white and it's easier but at the same time you can't cry about the hardships you've gone through. Sometimes the only way to really move past the hardships is to pick up the pieces and re-build. That's all you can really do. I mean I don't crap on Germans for what happened. My dad's side is german (or at least came to the usa about 100 years ago from there) and he married my mom which was Jewish. I don't want them to lie about what happened but I don't seriously blame them for what grand dad did because he was forced under threat of death to do so (well in some cases). However if they want to be neo-nazis you can bet I'm going to give em crap for that. If you want to be racist that annoys me but if you want to belong to a group that kills or has enslaved others then I get pissed.

I thought in japan they didn't like the idea of women working in any sort of job. If you have women's rights up to where we were in the 1920's or 1940's in japan in the 2010's then there is an issue. Funny things is it might be worse. I don't think they're beyond hitting their children including girls. Man the downstairs roommate had his ex over at one point and the night she became his ex her mom came over here because she didn't tell her mom she'd be here. Man she was mad and she called her stupid like a dozen or more times.

Speaking on how I look I should really make sure my personal hygiene is kept up before I go anywhere public esp. anywhere with women. It may help considerably.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Are you parody?

Are you?

This thread is of...questionable value at this point as it is. Spammy posts from both sides will be deleted past this point, and warnings issues

 Ashiraya wrote:
And vica versa is news to me, as a not man.

But I suppose Bobtheinquisitor would know that better than I do?

Well, if you'll tell me why you dress in skimpy outfits for cosplay and then don't want to be ogled, I will happily learn something new.


My comments are based on what I've learned from my wife, her friends, coworkers who are into cosplay and women I've met at conventions. The people I know who are into various scenes that involve costuming or skimpy outfits have a variety of moods and motivations. Sometimes a woman dresses sexy because she does want to be ogled. Sometimes a woman dresses sexily because she wants to feel powerful. Also, the amount and quality of the ogling make a huge difference. My wife will be more comfortable with men ogling her when we are at a club rather than at, say, a comic book convention or even the beach. Context matters. And my comment was squarely aimed at explaining why a subset of women will dress in revealing outfits yet not enjoy being ogled by men. The context is that they are trying to nail the costume, not arouse men. Being the best at cosplay in a sexy costume, rather than trying to be the sexiest.

But as pointed out earlier (and with validity, I feel):

Many of the characrers chosen for cosplay are created by *men* who do so in such a manner because they find it *sexy* and because they know other men will find it *sexy* which will drive sales or create fans of said product.

So I think there is a cyclical argument here perhaps?

Female cosplayers choosing characters developed for their sex appeal but not expecting to be objectified as sexual seems either extremely naieve or extremely disingenuious.

When it comes to the oglying of female cosplayers. I have seen the same for male cosplayers. I have also read blog posting before talking about male cosplayers in a lot of these supposed "male power fanasties" get ogled or touch or harassed by women. To the point where one blogger I know that has a youtube channel said that she has had male cosplayers say they won't wear certain outfits because it attracts undo attention.

 TheMeanDM wrote:
But as pointed out earlier (and with validity, I feel):

Many of the characrers chosen for cosplay are created by *men* who do so in such a manner because they find it *sexy* and because they know other men will find it *sexy* which will drive sales or create fans of said product.

So I think there is a cyclical argument here perhaps?

Female cosplayers choosing characters developed for their sex appeal but not expecting to be objectified as sexual seems either extremely naieve or extremely disingenuious.

What people often forget though is that male sexual fantasies can also be female power fantasies. The same is true for the other way around.

So you could have a female characters that many men find sexy be really appealing to women. The women find the character appealing because they think she is a badass hero or whatnot.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
If it makes you any happier before warhammer fantasy was murdered they had a crap ton of female characters and units. As I said before both undead factions had female characters (Isabella, neferata and that viper mummy queen) and VC also had a female unit (coven throne), all 3 elf factions also had women, lizardmen were asexual I think, ogres had an odd female character with a rolling pin (ogres were mostly for cheap and somewhat childish humor like fart miscasts), not sure if daemonettes count as female or hermaphroditic and last I can recall warriors of chaos had valkia the bloody as a character. As far as female representation goes that's actually quite a lot considering how few female players I see in the store. Today at the GW I saw a grand total of 1 woman in there and probably a good 15 guys and the woman was a mom that normally played with her son.

Well, first I already know the WFB universe well enough, thank you ^^. Second, if the miniatures are supposed to mirror the people in the store, there is WAY too many elves, orcs, dwarfs, undead, and other fantasy species .

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
it sounded like one of the managers sharing time there was going to be female. Not sure how that makes me feel. Hopefully she's not the pretty variety (as that would cause untold awkwardness)

Are you awkward near pretty women?

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Dunno if she even knows about warhammer though.

Well, WFB is defunct anyway. The real question is “Does she knows about AOS?”, and the answer is yes, unless GW suddenly stopped caring about who it employs…

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
In xcom 2 it'd make sense as this is guerilla warfare and realistically whoever can pick up a gun wields it so there is no formal training or people saying who can fight and who can't.

I thought it was about some international super-elite task force .

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Do some problems exist? Maybe.

Yes. Yes they do.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
I'm not even saying I want a guy problem to be fixed for every girl problem fixed. Even if it was a 7 girl problems for every 3 guy problems fixed it'd feel like more than the feminists tend to address and that bothers me.

So… if I am getting this right, you think addressing and fixing problem is bad if you don't do it “equally” among all demographics, or something? Like, if someone fixes one problem that affect, say, autistic people, but no-one, and then does not fix any other problem, it bothers you? I don't get it. Really.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Personally I find personal experiences and hardships to be more telling of who has had it bad or who is privileged than a person's gender or race.

The matter is not “Who have it worse?”, the matter is “How is society unfairly treating some demographics and how can we fix that”…

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
I thought in japan they didn't like the idea of women working in any sort of job. If you have women's rights up to where we were in the 1920's or 1940's in japan in the 2010's then there is an issue. Funny things is it might be worse. I don't think they're beyond hitting their children including girls. Man the downstairs roommate had his ex over at one point and the night she became his ex her mom came over here because she didn't tell her mom she'd be here. Man she was mad and she called her stupid like a dozen or more times.

Speaking on how I look I should really make sure my personal hygiene is kept up before I go anywhere public esp. anywhere with women. It may help considerably.

Now you are just making me confused .

Hello, Dakkanauts. I mostly lurk around, these days. And almost never stray into the OT forums. But this thread has made me sad. Now, admittedly, I've not read all 12 pages of it, but I read the first two pages and the eleventh and twelfth pages, and as they didn't obviously alter in tone one whit, I felt it was safe to assume that the tone in between held very little variation, either.

So I wanted to make a short post and share one link. This comes from my decades of experience as a gamer, as a volunteer in the gaming community, as a game publisher and designer and - in my other life - as a Human Resources expert who deals with equalities legislation and diversity strategy for business on a daily basis.

A number of arguments have been presented that need to be squashed:

1. I've never seen this happen, so it must be very rare.
I truly hope that this is rare. But that isn't a reason to ignore it as an issue. Given that the proportion of miniatures gamers who are female is very small, the number of those who experience sexual harassment will also be very small. But if there were less risk of sexual harassment or threats to safety, might not the proportion of female gamers be larger?

Given a small number of assaults and other negative incidents happening to a small number of people, it is not unreasonable to conclude that the proportion of gamer women who suffer harassment, threats or assaults by comparison to the proportion of gamer men who suffer similar experiences must be much higher. And that is, in my opinion, an unacceptable state of affairs.

Rarity is not an excuse for taking no action.

2. Other people have much bigger problems, so why should this be a priority?
There will always be people with bigger problems. If you are spending all your time doing something about them, then good for you! But we are members of this community and enthusiasts for this hobby. We have a vested interest in making our hobby grow and in making is a safe and welcoming environment. So seeing as we've got an investment in the issue and - let's be honest - most of us are doing sod all about anything else more important, I think it's fair to say that there are good reasons why this should be a priority for us.

“Where, after all, do universal human rights begin? In small places, close to home – so close and so small that they cannot be seen on any maps of the world. Yet they are the world of the individual person; the neighbourhood he lives in; the school or college he attends; the factory, farm or office where he works. Such are the places where every man, woman and child seeks equal justice, equal opportunity, equal dignity without discrimination. Unless these rights have meaning there, they have little meaning anywhere. Without concerned citizen action to uphold them close to home, we shall look in vain for progress in the larger world.”

Eleanor Roosevelt, “In Our Hands” (1958 speech delivered on the tenth anniversary of
the Universal Declaration of Human Rights)

3. This post is badly written and poorly evidenced, so it must be all lies.

Whether her account is wholly true, partially true or entirely fabricated is, actually, irrelevant. I have personally seen and heard behaviour over many years that I know that people would find offensive and intimidating. I chose not to speak out or challenge that behaviour at that time because it wasn't directed at me and I wasn't aware that anyone else was affected. But I've realized that by failing to challenge that behaviour, we condone it and allow it to become a habit and custom that creates an atmosphere from which women - amongst other groups - are implicitly excluded.

I, for one, intend to use what little influence I have to propose some practical changes that communities, clubs, stores and manufacturers may consider with a view to making our hobby safer, more welcoming and - therefore - larger.

Oh, and that link:

http://precinctomega.co.uk/wp/?p=275

 precinctomega wrote:

Spoiler:

Hello, Dakkanauts. I mostly lurk around, these days. And almost never stray into the OT forums. But this thread has made me sad. Now, admittedly, I've not read all 12 pages of it, but I read the first two pages and the eleventh and twelfth pages, and as they didn't obviously alter in tone one whit, I felt it was safe to assume that the tone in between held very little variation, either.

So I wanted to make a short post and share one link. This comes from my decades of experience as a gamer, as a volunteer in the gaming community, as a game publisher and designer and - in my other life - as a Human Resources expert who deals with equalities legislation and diversity strategy for business on a daily basis.

A number of arguments have been presented that need to be squashed:

1. I've never seen this happen, so it must be very rare.
I truly hope that this is rare. But that isn't a reason to ignore it as an issue. Given that the proportion of miniatures gamers who are female is very small, the number of those who experience sexual harassment will also be very small. But if there were less risk of sexual harassment or threats to safety, might not the proportion of female gamers be larger?

Given a small number of assaults and other negative incidents happening to a small number of people, it is not unreasonable to conclude that the proportion of gamer women who suffer harassment, threats or assaults by comparison to the proportion of gamer men who suffer similar experiences must be much higher. And that is, in my opinion, an unacceptable state of affairs.

Rarity is not an excuse for taking no action.

2. Other people have much bigger problems, so why should this be a priority?
There will always be people with bigger problems. If you are spending all your time doing something about them, then good for you! But we are members of this community and enthusiasts for this hobby. We have a vested interest in making our hobby grow and in making is a safe and welcoming environment. So seeing as we've got an investment in the issue and - let's be honest - most of us are doing sod all about anything else more important, I think it's fair to say that there are good reasons why this should be a priority for us.

“Where, after all, do universal human rights begin? In small places, close to home – so close and so small that they cannot be seen on any maps of the world. Yet they are the world of the individual person; the neighbourhood he lives in; the school or college he attends; the factory, farm or office where he works. Such are the places where every man, woman and child seeks equal justice, equal opportunity, equal dignity without discrimination. Unless these rights have meaning there, they have little meaning anywhere. Without concerned citizen action to uphold them close to home, we shall look in vain for progress in the larger world.”

Eleanor Roosevelt, “In Our Hands” (1958 speech delivered on the tenth anniversary of
the Universal Declaration of Human Rights)

3. This post is badly written and poorly evidenced, so it must be all lies.

Whether her account is wholly true, partially true or entirely fabricated is, actually, irrelevant. I have personally seen and heard behaviour over many years that I know that people would find offensive and intimidating. I chose not to speak out or challenge that behaviour at that time because it wasn't directed at me and I wasn't aware that anyone else was affected. But I've realized that by failing to challenge that behaviour, we condone it and allow it to become a habit and custom that creates an atmosphere from which women - amongst other groups - are implicitly excluded.

I, for one, intend to use what little influence I have to propose some practical changes that communities, clubs, stores and manufacturers may consider with a view to making our hobby safer, more welcoming and - therefore - larger.

Oh, and that link:

http://precinctomega.co.uk/wp/?p=275

I think what you say is generally correct, save for one thing.

I personally cannot side with the woman in the OP. I did attempt to contact her and have discussion about some of the more crass and inflammatory matter in her article. She blocked me after my second message. If she was unwilling to talk, that's fine, but the fact she chose to insult me before blocking speaks volumes about how much I should care for her.

My second issue is a lack of proof. Yes, she may have horrible things done to her. Or not. Either outcome is just as likely, and without evidence, no change can be made.
Again, SemperMortis summed it up well - "Would it be ok for me to walk into a starbucks and say that the barista behind the counter sexually assaulted me when I went to the bathroom and therefore they needed to make me the president of "White guys not being discriminated against or sexually assaulted while getting over priced crappy coffee"? ".
f I had evidence, I'd be all on her side. Without it, I can't have an opinion, and her own actions in being incredibly rude have spoiled any sympathy I might have.

She blocked you because you're supposed to shut up, "Listen and Believe". Failing to take everything she says at face value is misogynist.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
She blocked you because you're supposed to shut up, "Listen and Believe". Failing to take everything she says at face value is misogynist.

At first glance a statement like this seems silly.
I personally find it all too true no matter who it is that have a hidden agenda.
What can be sad is the person being genuine, is buried/outnumbered by the less altruistic folk: it tends to kill giving benefit of the doubt.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
She blocked you because you're supposed to shut up, "Listen and Believe". Failing to take everything she says at face value is misogynist.

She actually posted something like this as well, I recall.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
She blocked you because you're supposed to shut up, "Listen and Believe". Failing to take everything she says at face value is misogynist.

She actually posted something like this as well, I recall.

I could well believe it.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
She blocked you because you're supposed to shut up, "Listen and Believe". Failing to take everything she says at face value is misogynist.

She actually posted something like this as well, I recall.

Yes, she had a lot of of Anon comments speak negatively about something she said then proceeded to counter-argue them to which, her pions replied a bunch of times around the lines of "Yeah" or "Totally true."

 precinctomega wrote:

1. I've never seen this happen, so it must be very rare.
I truly hope that this is rare. But that isn't a reason to ignore it as an issue. Given that the proportion of miniatures gamers who are female is very small, the number of those who experience sexual harassment will also be very small. But if there were less risk of sexual harassment or threats to safety, might not the proportion of female gamers be larger?

Given a small number of assaults and other negative incidents happening to a small number of people, it is not unreasonable to conclude that the proportion of gamer women who suffer harassment, threats or assaults by comparison to the proportion of gamer men who suffer similar experiences must be much higher. And that is, in my opinion, an unacceptable state of affairs.

Rarity is not an excuse for taking no action.

Sorry it is not reasonable to conclude that. For instance the media narrative for online harassment is that is something that happens to women done by men. The problem is the data does not show that. It shows that it happens to both men and women and certain types of harassment is more likely to be experienced by men. However overall harassment is more likely to ocure to men. http://www.pewinternet.org/2014/10/22/online-harassment/

Peoples perceptions don't always match reality.

 precinctomega wrote:
3. This post is badly written and poorly evidenced, so it must be all lies.

Whether her account is wholly true, partially true or entirely fabricated is, actually, irrelevant. I have personally seen and heard behaviour over many years that I know that people would find offensive and intimidating. I chose not to speak out or challenge that behaviour at that time because it wasn't directed at me and I wasn't aware that anyone else was affected. But I've realized that by failing to challenge that behaviour, we condone it and allow it to become a habit and custom that creates an atmosphere from which women - amongst other groups - are implicitly excluded.

No whether or not the account is true is relevant, and it is incredibly dangerous to claim otherwise. This is because there are real people involved in this case and there are real consequences for a company and individuals involved. Just because you have seen bad behavior before doesn't mean this alleged bad behavior is true or not. Arguing for change based on lies and falsehoods is how panics start which hurt real people. Go read some articles online about the horrible situation for many men on college campuses in America who are falsely accused of rape who then get put through kangaroo courts where due process is thrown out the window.

 Blood Hawk wrote:
Go read some articles online about the horrible situation for many men on college campuses in America who are falsely accused of rape who then get put through kangaroo courts where due process is thrown out the window.

How about linking an example of this?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Blood Hawk wrote:
Go read some articles online about the horrible situation for many men on college campuses in America who are falsely accused of rape who then get put through kangaroo courts where due process is thrown out the window.

How about linking an example of this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case

One of the more famous cases.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Blood Hawk wrote:
Go read some articles online about the horrible situation for many men on college campuses in America who are falsely accused of rape who then get put through kangaroo courts where due process is thrown out the window.

How about linking an example of this?

Certainly in fact I will give multiple links.

First a general link about the bad data that started the scare:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/12/14/campus-rape-uva-crisis-rolling-stone-politics-column/20397277/

And specific cases:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/judge-accused-student-faced-inadequate-campus-sex-assault-process/article/2587732
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/federal-judge-rebukes-lack-of-due-process-in-campus-sex-assault-procedures/article/2587405
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/03/columbia-student-i-didn-t-rape-her.html

And the case of horrible journalism malpractice by rolling stone about campus rape
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/12/everything-we-know-uva-rape-case.html

 CptJake wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Blood Hawk wrote:
Go read some articles online about the horrible situation for many men on college campuses in America who are falsely accused of rape who then get put through kangaroo courts where due process is thrown out the window.

How about linking an example of this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case

One of the more famous cases.

Wow, that is a sick case.

Then she goes and kills her boyfriend....

 welshhoppo wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Blood Hawk wrote:
Go read some articles online about the horrible situation for many men on college campuses in America who are falsely accused of rape who then get put through kangaroo courts where due process is thrown out the window.

How about linking an example of this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case

One of the more famous cases.

Wow, that is a sick case.

Then she goes and kills her boyfriend....

Killed her boyfriend??

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 welshhoppo wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Blood Hawk wrote:
Go read some articles online about the horrible situation for many men on college campuses in America who are falsely accused of rape who then get put through kangaroo courts where due process is thrown out the window.

How about linking an example of this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case

One of the more famous cases.

Wow, that is a sick case.

Then she goes and kills her boyfriend....

Killed her boyfriend??

Yeah, in 2013, stabbed him to death.

 precinctomega wrote:


Whether her account is wholly true, partially true or entirely fabricated is, actually, irrelevant.

http://precinctomega.co.uk/wp/?p=275

Spider Jerusalem would like to have a word with you. And by that I mean shoot you in the bowels lol.



I'm just glad this women had the courage to go after miniature gamers, one of the toughest public facades to crack. With our already glowing public opinion, it must have been hard to dig deep and regurgitate a bunch of stereotypes and embellished information about of bunch socially awkward, but generally very inclusive people.

Clearly the nerdy White males rolling dice are the heart of misogyny in the World. Rap artists' use of women as props and status symbols is definitely way down the list, or any number of Islamic practices.

She truly went after the heart of the "terrorist" problem with her unverified and admittedly polished stories.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Blood Hawk wrote:
Go read some articles online about the horrible situation for many men on college campuses in America who are falsely accused of rape who then get put through kangaroo courts where due process is thrown out the window.

How about linking an example of this?

Brian Banks was expelled from high school due to the accusations. The public defender, without considering the evidence talks the defendant into taking a plea bargain. He was told if he continued to hold on to his "illusion" of innocence and actually fight for a right of a fair trial, he could face up to 41 years. He took the plea bargain. The person that accused him even went further and sued the school for $1.5 million and won. 5 years later after befriending her on Facebook, she admitted to him it was a lie and he finally got it overturned. By that time he spent 5 years in prison, expelled from school, and basically had his career at that time taken away... this is from an accusation.

 Dark Severance wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Blood Hawk wrote:
Go read some articles online about the horrible situation for many men on college campuses in America who are falsely accused of rape who then get put through kangaroo courts where due process is thrown out the window.

How about linking an example of this?

Brian Banks was expelled from high school due to the accusations. The public defender, without considering the evidence talks the defendant into taking a plea bargain. He was told if he continued to hold on to his "illusion" of innocence and actually fight for a right of a fair trial, he could face up to 41 years. He took the plea bargain. The person that accused him even went further and sued the school for $1.5 million and won. 5 years later after befriending her on Facebook, she admitted to him it was a lie and he finally got it overturned. By that time he spent 5 years in prison, expelled from school, and basically had his career at that time taken away... this is from an accusation.

She should be fething jailed for that for at least double the sentence he served.

I'd sue her, her family and everyone involved in this to oblivion until they'd have to live on the verge of poverty for the end of their life, never getting a job again. What's the aftermath of that story?

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
She should be fething jailed for that for at least double the sentence he served.

I doubt she'll get any jail time for it. The Long Beach Unified School District sued her for $2 million to recoup the $1.5 million she received. The school district won a $2.6 million judgment against Gibson, which includes the $750,000 settlement initially paid to her along with attorney's fees, interest, and $1 million in punitive damages.

Now as crappy as that sounds, I do understand there are a lot of cases that go unpunished but unfortunately that tends to be because no one stepped forward. It is an example though that tends to happen on a regular basis, simply accusing someone (although supposedly innocent until proven guilty) for these types of crimes it tends to lean towards guilty until proven innocent. Even when exonerated the damage is done, people have lost jobs, friends, etc. That is why accusations without evidence tend to be scrutinized more. It doesn't help that media sensationalizes the information often leaning towards one side or even creating a different perception of events simply by the way they title their news stories. Since social media and online various 'news' places scoop media these days, which do an even bigger sensationalizing of the events.

 Sigvatr wrote:
I'd sue her, her family and everyone involved in this to oblivion until they'd have to live on the verge of poverty for the end of their life, never getting a job again. What's the aftermath of that story?

He basically has turned the other cheek at this point. He pursued his NFL career signed up with the Las Vegas Locomotives and then Atlanta Falcons later. Unfortunately I think too much time had passed and he essentially missed his moments with the 5 years spent in jail. He spoke at a 2014 NFL draft Rookie Symposium, then was hired on to join the NFL Department of Operations. He serves as a spokesperson for the California Innocent Project and is working on a documentary but he basically moved on with his life.

No one would probably blink an eye if he sued the School District for $1.5 million just as his accuser did. He definitely has a case and would most likely win. It just seems he wants to move on and overall be a spokesperson for people to stand up.

It could be theorized that the courts did him a disfavor because of the time spent. That is the the scary unknown part. If he had fought, despite the evidence, he still would have faced jail time... would it have been more? Would it have taken him longer to prove his innocence because he didn't have access to facebook to confront his accuser? That is ultimately what makes cases like this scary.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Well, if you'll tell me why you dress in skimpy outfits for cosplay and then don't want to be ogled, I will happily learn something new.

I don't, but if I would it would be because I like the outfit and nothing else. If you feel an outfit crosses over the magical border where ogling becomes absolutely fine and noncreepy, I honestly couldn't care less, because it still isn't.

Did I miss this bit of infamy being mentioned?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_Brawley_rape_allegations