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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/06 11:17:38
Subject: Wulfen - Wut?
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This has been bugging me since I first saw them, and I have no doubt that this has come up before on these boards, but seriously. Why do Space Wolves have possessed?
This is getting ridiculous for fluff now imo. Riding wolves, fine. Adorning everything with wolfy-ness, fine. But allowing actual werewolves seems to be taking the p*ss a bit. Surely this level of mutation would result in Inquisitorial action/purging?
Maybe there is a story behind it I have not read, but it still seems ridiculous.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/06 11:28:14
Subject: Wulfen - Wut?
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Wulfen are a very old concept. They aren't new at all you could buy them metal during the Eye of Terror worldwide campaign if i'm not mistaken. I wasn't playing 40K at the time so I may be wrong on that but I know they had metal sculpt back then.
Check out the Space Wolves 13th Company if you want to know more about them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/06 11:56:12
Subject: Wulfen - Wut?
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Izural wrote:This has been bugging me since I first saw them, and I have no doubt that this has come up before on these boards, but seriously. Why do Space Wolves have possessed?
This is getting ridiculous for fluff now imo. Riding wolves, fine. Adorning everything with wolfy-ness, fine. But allowing actual werewolves seems to be taking the p* ss a bit. Surely this level of mutation would result in Inquisitorial action/purging?
Maybe there is a story behind it I have not read, but it still seems ridiculous.
Actually, the inquisition IS trying to purge them, that's what the whole "Curse of the Wulfen" book is about  . Even though the Wulfen are kind of "loyal possessed", we know all the kill the mutant nonsense, so the imperium is as usual too stupid to see their usefulness. However, the Space Wolves do.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/06 12:02:51
Subject: Wulfen - Wut?
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Sgt. Cortez wrote: Izural wrote:This has been bugging me since I first saw them, and I have no doubt that this has come up before on these boards, but seriously. Why do Space Wolves have possessed?
This is getting ridiculous for fluff now imo. Riding wolves, fine. Adorning everything with wolfy-ness, fine. But allowing actual werewolves seems to be taking the p* ss a bit. Surely this level of mutation would result in Inquisitorial action/purging?
Maybe there is a story behind it I have not read, but it still seems ridiculous.
Actually, the inquisition IS trying to purge them, that's what the whole "Curse of the Wulfen" book is about  . Even though the Wulfen are kind of "loyal possessed", we know all the kill the mutant nonsense, so the imperium is as usual too stupid to see their usefulness. However, the Space Wolves do.
Hmm, i'll have to read this book.
Tbh, I am also probably a little bitter on the SW treatment as misunderstood heroes, since my favourite chapter are the Thousand Sons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/06 12:12:30
Subject: Wulfen - Wut?
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The wulfen are supposed to be a shameful secret. Their recruitment process going out of control and creating monsters has been around for a while now and while there were indeed a wulfen unit once it was for the lost 13th company that had slugged it out in the Eye of Terror for an unknowable amount of time and had lost a lot of gene maintenance tech and resources.
But wulfen being honoured with rare and expensive close combat weaponry is afaik new. They represent an unacceptable degree of deviancy which is a view held by both the Inquisition and the Space Wolves themselves.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/06 12:15:15
Subject: Wulfen - Wut?
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It's hardly expensive they literally pick it off walls.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/06 12:31:45
Subject: Wulfen - Wut?
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Rosebuddy wrote:The wulfen are supposed to be a shameful secret. Their recruitment process going out of control and creating monsters has been around for a while now and while there were indeed a wulfen unit once it was for the lost 13th company that had slugged it out in the Eye of Terror for an unknowable amount of time and had lost a lot of gene maintenance tech and resources.
But wulfen being honoured with rare and expensive close combat weaponry is afaik new. They represent an unacceptable degree of deviancy which is a view held by both the Inquisition and the Space Wolves themselves.
Well the Wulfen gene is an intentional strain added to space wolves to resist chaos influence. However the warp made that gene a lot more dominant with the 13th legion fighting in the warp this entire time. Ffs I'm half expecting leman Russ to pop out of a warp hate being a giant Wulfen monsterous creature.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/06 12:50:37
Subject: Wulfen - Wut?
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Some of these answers don't quite hit the nail on the head as it were. Yup it's all correct. But remember: "There are no Wolves on Fenris." This is a saying that is at the heart of the whole thing.
Early settlers to Fenris prior to the 31k coded their DNA with the Canis Helix to help them survive on a Ice Packed, Deathworld. A side effect of that genetic engineering caused some of the settlers to mutate and change into wolf-like, lupine, intelligent creatures. These mutants/advanced genetic hybrids then evolved into the Wolves of Fenris. But not all settlers changed.
Since the Fenrisian Wolves are actually genetically altered versions of the original human inhabitants, they contain a lot of human DNA, and are somewhat symbiotic with humans.
Also, because you mentioned it: Fenrisian Wolves are enormous (think Rhinoceros) and Fenris is a Deathworld. And they are nothing like what you think of as dogs. They have a society and even a king.
It is essential to realise that the human inhabitants of Fenris are all related to the Fenrisian Wolves. They are Humans that didn't change shape but they still are not like "normal" humans, they have the Canis Helix. The native humans copy the Fenrisian Wolf society because they also have this Canis Helix. They were wolf like before they become Space Marines.
So this is the cause of the Wulfen these are Space Marines who have started to go a but feral basically. But they aren't mad. Just on the way there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/06 15:59:55
Subject: Wulfen - Wut?
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I just find it extremely odd that no immediate action is taken against the SW (plot armour perhaps?) for this blatant mutation, whereas chapters like the Black Dragons are shunned or destroyed for minor mutations like abnormal bone growths (in the case of Black Dragons IIRC, they have wolverine-type bone blades and skull crests).
Chapters, and Worlds no less, have been eradicated for less. So SW are just a special snow-flake case?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/06 16:04:49
Subject: Re:Wulfen - Wut?
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Early settlers to Fenris prior to the 31k coded their DNA with the Canis Helix to help them survive on a Ice Packed, Deathworld. A side effect of that genetic engineering caused some of the settlers to mutate and change into wolf-like, lupine, intelligent creatures. These mutants/advanced genetic hybrids then evolved into the Wolves of Fenris. But not all settlers changed.
Since the Fenrisian Wolves are actually genetically altered versions of the original human inhabitants, they contain a lot of human DNA, and are somewhat symbiotic with humans.
Also, because you mentioned it: Fenrisian Wolves are enormous (think Rhinoceros) and Fenris is a Deathworld. And they are nothing like what you think of as dogs. They have a society and even a king.
It is essential to realise that the human inhabitants of Fenris are all related to the Fenrisian Wolves. They are Humans that didn't change shape but they still are not like "normal" humans, they have the Canis Helix. The native humans copy the Fenrisian Wolf society because they also have this Canis Helix. They were wolf like before they become Space Marines.
So this is the cause of the Wulfen these are Space Marines who have started to go a but feral basically. But they aren't mad. Just on the way there.
Fascinating, never read that fluff before, wheres it from?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/06 16:37:24
Subject: Wulfen - Wut?
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Honestly, it's just what I picked up from being around 40k since the 90s I'm not 100% sure where I picked it all up but everything GW do with Space Wolves seems to revolve around it.. if not directly insist upon it (thunderwolves having a wolf king?) in all these years it's never been contradicted in the fluff.. even the whole 2nd founding chapter that failed.. wolf brothers.. (I assume cos they lacked the correct humans to."grow" space wolves from)
The only bit that I feel is iffy is the Canis Helix being pre 30k and not some sort of chaos fix.. but it probably is or the wolves thing wouldn't work. Automatically Appended Next Post: Izural wrote:I just find it extremely odd that no immediate action is taken against the SW (plot armour perhaps?) for this blatant mutation, whereas chapters like the Black Dragons are shunned or destroyed for minor mutations like abnormal bone growths (in the case of Black Dragons IIRC, they have wolverine-type bone blades and skull crests).
Chapters, and Worlds no less, have been eradicated for less. So SW are just a special snow-flake case?
I think it's cos it's a "mutation" the way Space Marines themselves are a "Mutation" (altered via graft of gene seed) in the RT era squats beast men ogyns and ratlings all were stable mutations. Space Marines and Primarchs are "editted" humans. So it doesn't automatically follow that all deviations are abhorrent.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/06 16:43:23
Subject: Wulfen - Wut?
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I've only ever read that the SW mutation issues are caused directly by their geneseed, that the canis helix is a component of it or a term for its particular mutation. Stuff about it already existing in the population of Fenris is either deeply obscure or was introduced with the FW take on the Heresy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/06 16:57:25
Subject: Re:Wulfen - Wut?
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I'm not going to debate the 'No Wolves on Fenris' thing myself, as I'm not totally sure of SW Lore, but one thing to bear in mind about that quote is that it is highly debatable. I recall a thread not so long back where it got quite heated over the concept of Thunderwolves being ex-marines overcome by the Canis Helix and this phrase was brought into play. One thing I do recall is that the phrase itself was uttered by a SW and one of the attending theories is that it doesn't necessarily refer to the animals, but rather a mis-translation of 'Vika Fenryka' (Not sure on spelling there as this is totally from memory) and the Space Wolves actually disliking the name Space Wolves as their Fenrisian name has been corrupted in it's translation to Imperial Gothic. Another theory I remember was that the phrase refers to the fact that a Wolf is a Terran animal, but the animals on Fenris, whilst appearing wolf-like, are in fact not wolves. Anyway, that's just what I can recall.
As to why the Imperium doesn't wholescale purge them - probably the same reason ratlings, ogryn, navigators, psykers and astropaths are permitted to remain - they are useful to an organisation of the Imperium and so long as they are useful they are conveniently overlooked. At one point in 40k, there were even Beastmen fighting in the Imperial Guard.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/06 17:10:49
Subject: Wulfen - Wut?
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Izural wrote:I just find it extremely odd that no immediate action is taken against the SW (plot armour perhaps?) for this blatant mutation, whereas chapters like the Black Dragons are shunned or destroyed for minor mutations like abnormal bone growths (in the case of Black Dragons IIRC, they have wolverine-type bone blades and skull crests).
Chapters, and Worlds no less, have been eradicated for less. So SW are just a special snow-flake case?
Because the Space Wolves are a First Founding chapter. This gives them a lot of political clout and protections that a later founding chapter wouldn't have.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/06 18:14:38
Subject: Re:Wulfen - Wut?
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Warpig1815 wrote:I'm not going to debate the 'No Wolves on Fenris' thing myself, as I'm not totally sure of SW Lore, but one thing to bear in mind about that quote is that it is highly debatable.
Cut n paste from http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Fenrisian_Wolf
There are no wolves on Fenris."
-"Oh you know there are, and you know what they are
Leman Russ, Primarch of the Space Wolves Legion, in a conversation with Magnus the Red, Primarch of the Thousand Sons Legion
Throughout the Horus Heresy novels "Prospero Burns" by Dan Abnett and "A Thousand Sons" by Graham McNeill, the phrase, "There are no wolves on Fenris," is mentioned throughout these novels. There are cryptic references by none other than the Thousand Sons Primarch Magnus the Red as to the unique nature of the genetics on the world of Fenris and the Canis Helix sequence of genes within the Space Wolves' gene-seed. It has already been mentioned in various sources of official canon that the Canis Helix is responsible for the peculiar lupine traits possessed by the Astartes of the Space Wolves Chapter. It is also hinted that perhaps the Fenrisian Wolves are actually Astartes whose genetic alteration has spiraled out of control, reshaping them into bestial creatures. This would explain how and why these supposed "wolves" fight alongside the Space Wolves in battle and readily obey their Astartes masters in the heat of battle, perhaps retaining some fragment of their former lives and sense of duty.
But this does not explain how "wolves" have existed on Fenris since before the first Space Marines of the VI Legion came to Fenris. It is generally known that during this earlier age when Mankind colonised the galaxy that humanity possessed advanced genetic engineering technology. For those early settlers that colonised the inhospitable, icy Death World of Fenris, they may have attempted to find a way to adapt themselves to the harsh environments of their new homeworld, splicing their DNA through gene-manipulation with that of Terran wolves that were more suited to the arctic conditions and climatic extremes. One could extrapolate that this would have provided the Fenrisian colonists with a fighting chance at surviving this hellish environment. In some cases this manipulation must have had unforeseen consequences.
Perhaps the first generation of "wolves" came from the original gene-tailored colonists that devolved over time until their genetic alterations stabilised, creating the first Fenrisian Wolves. When the VI Legion arrived much later during the Great Crusade in the late 30th Millennium and began recruiting Astartes from the Fenrisian population, there was the occasional destabilisation of the delicate balance which resulted in the rampant genetic mutations which resulted in a new, more potent genetic line of Fenrisian Wolves. The larger and hardier stock of Thunderwolves may be the possible genetic offshoot of these early Astartes, while the more common Fenrisian Wolf would be a result of the original colonists' gene-enhancements. The interbreeding between the two species would have resulted in the development of the lesser Fenrisian wolfkin, producing a viable breeding population. It has also been hinted throughout the novels that the Wolf Pelts and fetishes worn by the Space Wolves were actually the hides of the descendants of these mutated humans, used as charms to ward of the mutant transformation of themselves.
If all modern Fenrisians are descended from the original colonists who attempted gene-splicing with that of lupines and canines, that would mean that all Fenrisians are in some way part wolf. The process by which a new Space Wolf Astartes is created would awaken these genetic traits that already lie dormant within their bodies, resulting in amber-coloured wolf-like eyes, long canines and an enhanced sense of smell. But when these genetic traits run rampant, the result is accelerated and uncontrollable growth, giving rise to the Curse of the Wulfen -- mirroring what had occurred to the original Fenrisian colonists thousands of years earlier. In the novel "A Thousand Sons" it is mentioned multiple times that when someone fighting a Fenrisian Wolf looks deep into the creature's eyes, in that moment the horrible realisation sinks in that they are facing something almost...human.
I've never read that before but it's pretty much what I thought from hearing bits and bobs for the last 20 years.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/06 18:22:16
Subject: Wulfen - Wut?
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This is fascinating, true or not Automatically Appended Next Post: Really makes me want to start my space wolf collection!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/06 19:05:07
Subject: Wulfen - Wut?
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Izural wrote:I just find it extremely odd that no immediate action is taken against the SW (plot armour perhaps?) for this blatant mutation, whereas chapters like the Black Dragons are shunned or destroyed for minor mutations like abnormal bone growths (in the case of Black Dragons IIRC, they have wolverine-type bone blades and skull crests).
Chapters, and Worlds no less, have been eradicated for less. So SW are just a special snow-flake case?
You really need to read that book, as that's exactly what's starting there  Dark Angels and Grey Knights don't find mutants everywhere very funny, especially when the Space Wolves always go in to save them from Daemons and let all other imperial citizens die to them. Additionally the Wulfen aren't very nice towards other people than Space Wolves.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/06 19:21:44
Subject: Wulfen - Wut?
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Prescient Cryptek of Eternity
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Ultimately, the Space Wolves have a 'protect our own' mentality. The average citizen/Inquisitor/other Space Marine Chapter has no idea that these mutations occur. If they did, they'd take decisive action. This reaction can be seen in the Curse of the Wulfen campaign. The mutations come to light and several elements of the Imperium freak the feth out.
Also, look into the Wolf Brothers Chapter. They're the only known successor chapter to the Space Wolves and were disbanded by the Inquisition when the Wulfen gene-flaw came to light. The Inquisition has attempted to investigate the Space Wolves on numerous occasions, but the Vylka Fenrika aren't exactly welcoming to outsiders... especially outsiders who question their loyalty (and indirectly, Russ's loyalty) to the Emperor.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/06 19:23:36
Subject: Wulfen - Wut?
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Izural wrote:This has been bugging me since I first saw them, and I have no doubt that this has come up before on these boards, but seriously. Why do Space Wolves have possessed?
This is getting ridiculous for fluff now imo. Riding wolves, fine. Adorning everything with wolfy-ness, fine. But allowing actual werewolves seems to be taking the p* ss a bit. Surely this level of mutation would result in Inquisitorial action/purging?
Maybe there is a story behind it I have not read, but it still seems ridiculous.
Wulfen were first brought around in 2nd edition, then again in 3rd edition. 5th edition had mark of the wulfen, which was an upgrade for a grey hunter. It gave the model D6 additional attacks with rending. It was to represent one of the space wolves showing signs of the curse. The lore has been around for a long time, including the parts about the inquisition disliking them. They had models back then as well, they also showed up in the black crusade I think it was. They had like 3 or 4 rending attacks at S5 and Fnp or something. I will have to go back and check, I think I have the old supplement.
Any who, the point is. Wulfen have been part of SW lore for a very long time. SW just get a lot of fire from TWC and Grimnar sleigh. The Curse of the Wulfen book is also the first actual plot progression in 40k in a long time. When it came out a lot of people thought 40k was going to end, as wulfen showing up (13th company returning) was prophesied to herald the return of Leman Russ himself, who would arrive during the Wolf Time (yes, SW have always called EVERYTHING wolf wolf wolf wolf) AKA, the END TIMES. Ring any bells?
I will admit, that These wulfen have some pretty over the top weaponry. Ap2 frost claws, at initiative +3S axe? Dwarven slayer rules from fantasy? its all straight up bananas.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/06 19:25:39
Subject: Wulfen - Wut?
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Izural wrote:I just find it extremely odd that no immediate action is taken against the SW (plot armour perhaps?) for this blatant mutation, whereas chapters like the Black Dragons are shunned or destroyed for minor mutations like abnormal bone growths (in the case of Black Dragons IIRC, they have wolverine-type bone blades and skull crests).
Chapters, and Worlds no less, have been eradicated for less. So SW are just a special snow-flake case?
The imperium accepts and sanctions certain types of mutations so why not the space wolves? Ogryns or the little rat imperial guard sniper things are among the ones who have seen the tabletop
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/06 19:32:16
Subject: Wulfen - Wut?
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G00fySmiley wrote: Izural wrote:I just find it extremely odd that no immediate action is taken against the SW (plot armour perhaps?) for this blatant mutation, whereas chapters like the Black Dragons are shunned or destroyed for minor mutations like abnormal bone growths (in the case of Black Dragons IIRC, they have wolverine-type bone blades and skull crests).
Chapters, and Worlds no less, have been eradicated for less. So SW are just a special snow-flake case?
The imperium accepts and sanctions certain types of mutations so why not the space wolves? Ogryns or the little rat imperial guard sniper things are among the ones who have seen the tabletop
I think at the end of the story they will be accepted. Right now they are just covered in chaos residue from being in the warp for so long, so the inquisition still thinks they are daemons. Once the SW / DA / GK big fight happens and it all calms down, an inquisitor gets to meet a wulfen or whatever it will be all good... well, rocky, as usual, and the keen eye watching the fang will continue to watch it, but it will pass, and hopefully these awesome models will be here to stay.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/06 21:41:44
Subject: Wulfen - Wut?
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Didn't the Space Wolves attack the inquisition teleport on their barge and slaughter them? And wasn't there nearly a civil war over not wanting to exterminate some loyal tainted imperial guard?
I think it was called the "Months of Shame" in the armageddon campaign where the Space Wolves attacked the inquisition before they could do an exterminatus so the inquisition not expecting treason attacked Fenris itself and Space Wolves led by Logan Grimnar teleported onto the inquisition ship and kicked the crap out of them so the inquisition decided they needed to back off
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/06 21:46:02
Subject: Wulfen - Wut?
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They killed one GK Captain or whatever they're called or violating a truce and left. For most of it the Space Wolves were entirely non violent.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/06 21:56:39
Subject: Wulfen - Wut?
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http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Months_of_Shame
Was indeed the months of shame.
An amazing bit of fluff too which explains why the inquisition keeps a distance from the wolves.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/06 22:37:25
Subject: Wulfen - Wut?
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ConanMan wrote:Some of these answers don't quite hit the nail on the head as it were. Yup it's all correct. But remember: "There are no Wolves on Fenris." This is a saying that is at the heart of the whole thing.
Early settlers to Fenris prior to the 31k coded their DNA with the Canis Helix to help them survive on a Ice Packed, Deathworld. A side effect of that genetic engineering caused some of the settlers to mutate and change into wolf-like, lupine, intelligent creatures. These mutants/advanced genetic hybrids then evolved into the Wolves of Fenris. But not all settlers changed.
Since the Fenrisian Wolves are actually genetically altered versions of the original human inhabitants, they contain a lot of human DNA, and are somewhat symbiotic with humans.
Also, because you mentioned it: Fenrisian Wolves are enormous (think Rhinoceros) and Fenris is a Deathworld. And they are nothing like what you think of as dogs. They have a society and even a king.
It is essential to realise that the human inhabitants of Fenris are all related to the Fenrisian Wolves. They are Humans that didn't change shape but they still are not like "normal" humans, they have the Canis Helix. The native humans copy the Fenrisian Wolf society because they also have this Canis Helix. They were wolf like before they become Space Marines.
So this is the cause of the Wulfen these are Space Marines who have started to go a but feral basically. But they aren't mad. Just on the way there.
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From Lexicanum (which actually provides citations for its information):
The Canis Helix is the first and most essential component of gene-seed implanted into Aspirant Space Wolves, during the final stage of their initiation. During the Test of Morkai, the Aspirants drink a formula containing the Helix from the Cup of Wulfen and undergo a violent transformation: their bones split and buckle, thick hair sprouts from their bodies, and they revert to a bestial state where they hunger for raw meat and blood. One of the most important aspects of the Test is that the Aspirant show himself able to keep this bestial side under control, even while making his way through the Fenrisian wilderness in harsh conditions. Those that fail to do so become Wulfen, and remain in the wild. If the Aspirant returns to the Fang, he is implanted with the remaining components of the Wolves' gene-seed, which stabilize the effects of the Helix. Although this procedure is extremely hazardous, these remaining components are ineffective unless the Canis Helix is implanted first[1b].
The Canis Helix is implanted into Space Wolves, it is not a genetic component they have from their time as tribesmen.
7th Edition Codex: Space Wolves:
By some quirk of fate, a genetic flaw took root deep within the Canis Helix very early in the Chapter’s history, and it affects each and every one of the Sons of Russ.
The Canis Helix was once a stable genetic legacy of Leman Russ. Note how this says "the Chapter's" history, and not "the Legion's" history, which means that this didn't happen until after the Scouring had ended.
In addition, the Space Wolves Omnibus at no point suggests that Fenrisian society is particularly wolfy - in fact, I don't recall a single Fenrisian tribesman being wolf-like in this book. Ragnar Blackmane is not stated to ever feel feral or bestial tendencies (outside of the what you'd expect from an episode of the television show Vikings) until after the Canis Helix gets implanted into him.
Please provide a solid source for your statement, as the Wiki does not cite its information, which leaves much of it up in the air as to whether or not its just headcanon/fanfiction, actual in-universe fact, or an in-universe theory.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/06 23:06:40
Subject: Wulfen - Wut?
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Lord_Inquisitor_Doge wrote:
Please provide a solid source for your statement, as the Wiki does not cite its information, which leaves much of it up in the air as to whether or not its just headcanon/fanfiction, actual in-universe fact, or an in-universe theory.
mate, i've been around 40k long enough to learn one thing:
the people that write good stuff, and make real quality back story leave and others who don't know it so well write on top of it.
what I am talking about is the actual likely constant back story that Space Wolves were imbibed with, since just after Roge Trader, that also got clearly inserted into a string of novels. When they latterly take a 20 year old and ask him to write copy as a cost saving excersise (which they do) the kid has not enought brain room and all sorts of junk gets slapped in there. All that Canis Helix stuff you quoted merely smacks of exactly the same tired old stuff as the Blood Angels have. It's the lower hanging fruit you dig?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/06 23:11:14
Subject: Wulfen - Wut?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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ConanMan wrote: Lord_Inquisitor_Doge wrote:
Please provide a solid source for your statement, as the Wiki does not cite its information, which leaves much of it up in the air as to whether or not its just headcanon/fanfiction, actual in-universe fact, or an in-universe theory.
mate, i've been around 40k long enough to learn one thing:
the people that write good stuff, and make real quality back story leave and others who don't know it so well write on top of it.
what I am talking about is the actual likely constant back story that Space Wolves were imbibed with, since just after Roge Trader, that also got clearly inserted into a string of novels. When they latterly take a 20 year old and ask him to write copy as a cost saving excersise (which they do) the kid has not enought brain room and all sorts of junk gets slapped in there. All that Canis Helix stuff you quoted merely smacks of exactly the same tired old stuff as the Blood Angels have. It's the lower hanging fruit you dig?
Do you at least have an older source that you can cite, if the newer stuff is so unreliable?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/07 01:20:51
Subject: Wulfen - Wut?
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Lord_Inquisitor_Doge wrote:ConanMan wrote: Lord_Inquisitor_Doge wrote:
Please provide a solid source for your statement, as the Wiki does not cite its information, which leaves much of it up in the air as to whether or not its just headcanon/fanfiction, actual in-universe fact, or an in-universe theory.
mate, i've been around 40k long enough to learn one thing:
the people that write good stuff, and make real quality back story leave and others who don't know it so well write on top of it.
what I am talking about is the actual likely constant back story that Space Wolves were imbibed with, since just after Roge Trader, that also got clearly inserted into a string of novels. When they latterly take a 20 year old and ask him to write copy as a cost saving excersise (which they do) the kid has not enought brain room and all sorts of junk gets slapped in there. All that Canis Helix stuff you quoted merely smacks of exactly the same tired old stuff as the Blood Angels have. It's the lower hanging fruit you dig?
Do you at least have an older source that you can cite, if the newer stuff is so unreliable?
not sure I'd call the space wolf trilogy partiuclarly new anyway.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/07 03:31:14
Subject: Wulfen - Wut?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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G00fySmiley wrote: Izural wrote:I just find it extremely odd that no immediate action is taken against the SW (plot armour perhaps?) for this blatant mutation, whereas chapters like the Black Dragons are shunned or destroyed for minor mutations like abnormal bone growths (in the case of Black Dragons IIRC, they have wolverine-type bone blades and skull crests).
Chapters, and Worlds no less, have been eradicated for less. So SW are just a special snow-flake case?
The imperium accepts and sanctions certain types of mutations so why not the space wolves? Ogryns or the little rat imperial guard sniper things are among the ones who have seen the tabletop
Because Ogryns and Ratlings are abhumans, which is a genetic-level mutation that results in a new human sub-species. They "breed true". That is to say, once a human has become Ogryn or Ratling, they will forever more produce Ogryn or Ratling offspring. The same cannot be said for the Wulfen, who are just monstrous freaks. In all likelihood, Space Marines of any variety are sterile.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/07 08:47:03
Subject: Wulfen - Wut?
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Lord_Inquisitor_Doge wrote:
The Canis Helix was once a stable genetic legacy of Leman Russ. Note how this says "the Chapter's" history, and not "the Legion's" history, which means that this didn't happen until after the Scouring had ended.
It probably was stable until they added Fenrisian DNA. If it was stable it wouldnt explain Magnus' comments. Or if I remember right, the Wolves going wulfen during the eradication of Prospero, Though I'd have to check that.
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