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I'll see about the price when they make a model worth the cost.

Mark 3 incoming.

And that there is a game changer. Can't wait!

Deadnight wrote:
Mark 3 incoming.

And that there is a game changer. Can't wait!

Is this for real? My giant PP collection weeps for joy if this is the case.

Deadnight wrote:
Mark 3 incoming.

And that there is a game changer. Can't wait!

How is that a game changer?


Does it affect the prices of their models?


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 jonolikespie wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I would say absolutely yes, but I haven't seen any of PP's HIPS minis nor their pricing. Googling "privateer press hips", "... Plastic", "... Polystyrene"' etc., has only resulted in odd bits in their catalogue or very old conversations about glues that don't work. Would a kind soul please give this poor wretch a link to some PP HIPS minis?

https://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/khador/warjacks/grolar
https://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/cryx/warcasters/deneghra-the-soul-weaver
https://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/convergence-of-cyriss/battle-engines/transfinite-emergence-projector-permutation-servitors
https://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/cryx/colossals/sepulcher

That colossal is a dual kit and down about $25 USD compared at least to the Khador colossal in resin. The grolar is the same price as the other khador heavies.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/03/bols-unboxing-blackhide-wrastlerblind-walker-combo-kit.html

Which one is the colossal? Honestly, none of them really seem like great prices for the minis, except maybe for Deneghra...which is restic? The first one is the size of the Grind Warjacks, right? I guess the price isn't too bad for it, but it doesn't strike me as a very exciting miniature. More SM Dreadnaught than, say, Wraithlord.

The first model is on a 50mm base. It's significantly beefier than a Grind model. The rest are on 120mm bases.

keezus wrote:

Deadnight wrote:
Mark 3 incoming.

And that there is a game changer. Can't wait!

Is this for real? My giant PP collection weeps for joy if this is the case.

Start weeping mate.

http://privateerpress.com/community/privateer-insider/letting-the-jack-out-of-the-bag-and-why-chinese-food-will-never-be-the-s
http://privateerpress.com/press-releases/privateer-press-announces-all-new-editions-of-warmachine-and-hordes

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
How is that a game changer?
Does it affect the prices of their models?

Well, it's changing the game, so technically, it is a game changer. It'll be free to download.

If it sorts out some of the issues in the game, which is likely, then the perceived value for the game and it's models may increase for people. In game value and playability is partly relevant in terms of pricing people out of a game or not. And also, new starter sets. apparently pretty good value!

I like the look of that plastic Gator, much better than the old metal. I might pick one up (I have an unassembled Blindwater army.)

 Da Boss wrote:
I like the look of that plastic Gator, much better than the old metal. I might pick one up (I have an unassembled Blindwater army.)

I agree, it's a huge improvement. It is still PVC though if that's an issue for you.

 keezus wrote:
The first model is on a 50mm base. It's significantly beefier than a Grind model. The rest are on 120mm bases.

Then it does seem like a better deal. The large ones are very large, but not very compelling to me. The Cryx one looks exciting in a Dark Crystal meets the Matrix kind of a way, but the price is so high that I'm just not willing to take the "risk".

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 keezus wrote:
The first model is on a 50mm base. It's significantly beefier than a Grind model. The rest are on 120mm bases.

Then it does seem like a better deal. The large ones are very large, but not very compelling to me. The Cryx one looks exciting in a Dark Crystal meets the Matrix kind of a way, but the price is so high that I'm just not willing to take the "risk".

What risk on the Cryx one?

That I will (not) enjoy assembling it, have a plethora of usable bits, and/or want to look at it again. For $105, the model had better give me a modeling rush that lasts for days and fill me with paternal pride whenever I pass it's display plinth.

I wouldn't even pay $105 for the Kingdom Death Dragon King, and that one whispers to me in my sleep, my troubled, feverish sleep.

Having assembled one of the 50mm plastic jacks all I can say is it is a joy to put together and every fits perfectly.


As for Mk3 incoming, all I had to say about that was this:

Any word on a Cryx or Menoth HIPS Warjack? Those have the most visual appeal to me.

No idea when the menoth or cryx one are coming out. It's pretty ridiculous actually, considering the rules for them came out in 2014, back in mk2 and by the time mk3 comes out, we still wouldn't have gotten them.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:


How is that a game changer?


Does it affect the prices of their models?

Yes.

Old battle box:


MSRP $50 for 2 large-based models, 1 small-based model, cards, fluff book for the faction, and rules

New battle box:


MSRP $40 for 2 large-based models, 1 small-based model, cards, rules, battlemap, paper terrain, a shoddy-looking ruler, dice and tokens.

These are of course to get people into the game an are likely not making them much profit, but it is still a significantly better deal than before. It is the same cost as the X-Wing Starter set. I choose Khador because the new and old are quite similar, only swapping out 1 warjack of the same size and the warcaster.

Kaptajn Congoboy wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:


How is that a game changer?


Does it affect the prices of their models?

Yes.

Old battle box:


MSRP $50 for 2 large-based models, 1 small-based model, cards, fluff book for the faction, and rules

New battle box:


MSRP $40 for 2 large-based models, 1 small-based model, cards, rules, battlemap, paper terrain, a shoddy-looking ruler, dice and tokens.

These are of course to get people into the game an are likely not making them much profit, but it is still a significantly better deal than before. It is the same cost as the X-Wing Starter set. I choose Khador because the new and old are quite similar, only swapping out 1 warjack of the same size and the warcaster.

That new caster for Khador is super snazzy looking too. They've certainly managed to make me completely forget the new policy with this news.

 DrNo172000 wrote:


That new caster for Khador is super snazzy looking too. They've certainly managed to completely forget the new policy with this news.

Kommander Goat is awesome. He's an Iron Fang caster so I'm happy whatever.

To answer the OP... no, PP did not price themselves out of my market recently. They did it from the very beginning.

Granted, had I not been heavily invested in WFB at that point it might have been different, but I can't afford to invest in TWO expensive (for mini games) hobbies if I hope to retire someday.

So, as they say, when the facts change, my opinions also change: with the announcement of Mk.III, I am cautiously optimistic that many of the things I noted as complaints in this thread will be addressed. For one thing, my understanding is that the new battle boxes are not only going to be cheaper, but include more stuff. I have no idea why they are being shown with colored plastic parts, but we can only hope that this represents a move from PVC to HIPS (hope springs eternal).

Example;

It's been confirmed on Privateer's forum that they are colored PVC and not good styrene plastic.

EDIT - Found it:

They are the same PVC plastic we have been using for the Mk II Battlegroup boxes and numerous other models for years.

http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?248833-Mk-III-Battlegroup-minis-what-are-they-made-of&p=3464457#post3464457

In HIPS, for $40, I'd have picked up most of them. In PVC, only one or two of them appeal to me, although deep discounts could make a difference. Seeing the Menoth and Cryx PVC figures brought back some unpleasant memories.


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Screw it, definitely getting that Everblight starter next November.

PP has issues with their HIPS factory I think. They only seem to come out with 1 HIPS model per year, which is really slow considering we've been waiting for 4 of them ever since they were announced in 2014, of which we've only gotten 2 so far.

 MattofWar wrote:
It's been confirmed on Privateer's forum that they are colored PVC and not good styrene plastic.

EDIT - Found it:

They are the same PVC plastic we have been using for the Mk II Battlegroup boxes and numerous other models for years.

http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?248833-Mk-III-Battlegroup-minis-what-are-they-made-of&p=3464457#post3464457

Ugh. Well, nothing like taking the best possible opportunity to improve your product and saying... "Nope!"

Ah, PVC, boldly moving into the middling zone of quality.

The relaunch just took a massive hit on my scale of priorities.

Same here, sadly.

I've always really wanted to get into Warmachine but...I never quite manage to get interested enough, for a variety of reasons.

Ah PVC, will wait for the reviews except beast of war who will say it look awesome like every review video

I for one might get a ret starter for the rules don't really need more models unless point costs changed a lot

i'm hoping i'll be able to find the castors for my armies for cheap on ebay after these hit and people break them up
(as for the pricing, my warmahordes purchases are fairly infrequent anyway, so i don't see a huge change, other then perhaps hitting up ebay first rather then picking up new more often then now)

The moment they started charging non-PVC prices for PVC was the beginning of the end for me. This is just one more nail in the coffin for my purchase from them.

In terms of reselling, how well do the old metal models hold up value-wise? I have Cryx and Menoth armies from MKI and early, early MKII. Are those figures worthless due to updates or are they sought after since they aren't the PVC material PP is fond of?

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:
In terms of reselling, how well do the old metal models hold up value-wise? I have Cryx and Menoth armies from MKI and early, early MKII. Are those figures worthless due to updates or are they sought after since they aren't the PVC material PP is fond of?

Metal is usually fine, provided PP haven't released a new sculpt of the unit/solo/caster that either

A. has a better pose
B. is multi-part
C. In HIPS

60% of retail is usually the best you can expect. Unpainted or primed seem to be worth more unless we're talking gold demon quality.