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What's been exclusive outside of a few hero variants?

I can't think of any outside of the drinking buddies.

Not much, really.

At least, not much worth getting too upset over, that I can remember.

Yeah I don't think there's been any either. That said I'm in a similar boat, no one in my gaming group would ever buy into a game that required backing a KS and waiting 6-12 months. They buy their stuff in stores or not at all, KS doesn't really exist for them, which is why I haven't jumped in either. I need people to play with after all!

Anyone gotten anything recently? I bought a shipping item on Apr 19 and some of my stuff went into Packing a few weeks ago, but nothing's shipped yet.

 judgedoug wrote:
Anyone gotten anything recently? I bought a shipping item on Apr 19 and some of my stuff went into Packing a few weeks ago, but nothing's shipped yet.

Yeah, got my metal Jutes and Erainn the other week and had another order sent out late last week.

Zed had a good post a bit back, explaining, kindasorta, more or less, how it all works - but I'm still a bit perprlexed at times too.

I think the (X) factor being existing/available stock when 'your time' comes up.

I think that's what's delaying a LOT of my orders, especially as they contain metals?

I try to pay for as many shipping waves as exist, for the new stuff. But it always seems to take longer than it should to get stuff over to me.

OK - maybe that's more like 'longer than I'd like'!

I got Jute Wihtgar, Holumann crew, and Gabrax a couple of weeks ago (all in metal). So stuff is getting sent out. The process is extraordinarily arcane though. Personally I am more likely to wait for the next January sale or similar, than either back a KS or do a KS type order after the campaign has ended.

I got my Erainne and Anglecynn starters and book the other day. The models are nice but small... not 30mm to the eye by a wide margin**. I like the size and scale personally, but they are much smaller than most companies, more in line with smaller Redbox Games models. I had a few mold slip issues, mostly on the resin bog beasts, but all in all really nice casts. The book... well, it smells nice, and is about 200% longer than it needs to be. They need an editor and technical writer really, really badly.

I intend to do a fuller review here in the next week or so. I will post a link here when I do.

** I haven't busted out the calipers yet, so I might be a bit off. They are very different from other models listed as 28-30 mm at least.


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 Mymearan wrote:
Yeah I don't think there's been any either. That said I'm in a similar boat, no one in my gaming group would ever buy into a game that required backing a KS and waiting 6-12 months. They buy their stuff in stores or not at all, KS doesn't really exist for them, which is why I haven't jumped in either. I need people to play with after all!

You could just go to the Mierce website and buy their current range, and main rulebook. Then get the new KS stuff as and when it comes out (or even wait for regular release)

There's tons of stuff available already, really some incredible minis (someone helpefully pointed out earlier in the thread that they are available from Element Games (UK) for a discount, too.

I completely appreciate that Kickstarter isn't for everyone, the reality in this case though is that it has allowed Mierce to develop what is probably the largest catalogue of boutique resin fantasy miniatures in the world in a very short time.

I think the move to metal and, to a much lesser extent, the development of their rules system is part of a move towards a more traditional model, but it will always be alongside crowd funding.

 Wehrkind wrote:
I got my Erainne and Anglecynn starters and book the other day. The models are nice but small... not 30mm to the eye by a wide margin**. I like the size and scale personally, but they are much smaller than most companies, more in line with smaller Redbox Games models. I had a few mold slip issues, mostly on the resin bog beasts, but all in all really nice casts. The book... well, it smells nice, and is about 200% longer than it needs to be. They need an editor and technical writer really, really badly.

I intend to do a fuller review here in the next week or so. I will post a link here when I do.

** I haven't busted out the calipers yet, so I might be a bit off. They are very different from other models listed as 28-30 mm at least.


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No you're quite right, I bought Cynemon to use as a Priest of Ulric and he's teeny-weeny - my own fault for assuming/judging by eye of course, but aye the humans don't seem to match many other companies in scale. Which is fine for Mierce of course, but for me it rather curtailed my planned purchases.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Wehrkind wrote:
I got my Erainne and Anglecynn starters and book the other day. The models are nice but small... not 30mm to the eye by a wide margin**. I like the size and scale personally, but they are much smaller than most companies, more in line with smaller Redbox Games models. I had a few mold slip issues, mostly on the resin bog beasts, but all in all really nice casts. The book... well, it smells nice, and is about 200% longer than it needs to be. They need an editor and technical writer really, really badly.

I intend to do a fuller review here in the next week or so. I will post a link here when I do.

** I haven't busted out the calipers yet, so I might be a bit off. They are very different from other models listed as 28-30 mm at least.


Edited for clarity.

No you're quite right, I bought Cynemon to use as a Priest of Ulric and he's teeny-weeny - my own fault for assuming/judging by eye of course, but aye the humans don't seem to match many other companies in scale. Which is fine for Mierce of course, but for me it rather curtailed my planned purchases.

It really depends on the figure/kindred. Cynemon is a bit short even for an Angelcyn (which seem the smallest), but yeah, they won't fit in well with GW's ham handed monstrosities. Some kindred are significantly bigger than others - the Ysian, Norse and Formoraic are bigger people. IMO, RBG is still a slighter scale. I think Mierce's fit in well with Rackham and some of the less "heroic" 28mm.

Redbox Games are very truescale 28's - they fit with Perry and Lord of the Rings quite well.

Oh, and as a little bit of promotion, I'm selling a ton of Redbox Games goblins at a hefty discount if anyone is interested

I got my warriors of Baalor a while ago, was missing a model I added to the order, had a replacement order created for that, added some more stuff (including another full unit of Gabrax), and got that package yesterday. So yeah, stuff is getting shipped but things do get stuck 'packing' with Mierce for quite a while at times.
Add potential restocking delays for metals to that and I'd generally give it several weeks for a package to actually ship out, going by past experience.


The Warriors of Baalor unit matches my infinity fusiliers (male versions, that is) perfectly to scale.
Characters (and every last, single Gabrax for that matter!) are another matter - those tower over the regular human infantry by quite a bit.

I'd say those Gabrax match and exceed GW scale and bulk easily, but as Bossk_Hogg says, they are the exception to the rule.

Most of my human Darklands figures have all been Ysian Axe-Drunes, so that certainly hasn't helped me measuring scale. Carrowek is a big guy in just about any game system.

I've got 3 big guys sitting in packing that hopefully make their trek across the Atlantic soon, as I'd like to get rolling on my Krokodar unit, and their big pal Aggrakk.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
What's been exclusive outside of a few hero variants?

I can't think of any outside of the drinking buddies.

Pretty much all the heroes had exclusives (most of them significantly more appealing than the normal version in my opinion). I don't have a huge issue with Kickstarter (the campaigns vary wildly in terms of quality- I'm looking at you Prodos.....), I do have a huge issue with running Kickstarter after Kickstarter after Kickstarter when you haven't fulfilled three other ones. Their online store is always barren of product, and if I did want to jump in on let's say the current Kickstarter I would only be able to buy what that current Kickstarter is selling, not a core host to get a start to an army. So therefore I could buy a bunch of minis I'd have to wait two to three years to use, and even then probably not have access to the ones I need to play the game.

I'm not trying to say that this model doesn't work for some of you, and it's great that it does, I'm just explaining why their business model is not something that works for me. Which is a bummer, because they make some very nice miniatures.

I'm sorry dude, but that's almost all objectively untrue.

There are plenty of items available on the web store (and they have their own production facility, so can cast to order if needed,) the pledged funds are credited to your account on the store, so they can be used to buy anything they already sell, Rob is historically very good at opening up older pledge managers or one's you may have missed on request, and while older projects are still yet to fully complete, there are regular updates for every single one, and essentially every update will show meaningful progress on at least something.

As for KS exclusive heroes? I'm still pretty sure you're wrong on that one, but without trawling back through I'm not going to disagree, Except to reiterate you can access them if you ask.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'm sorry dude, but that's almost all objectively untrue.

There are plenty of items available on the web store (and they have their own production facility, so can cast to order if needed,) the pledged funds are credited to your account on the store, so they can be used to buy anything they already sell, Rob is historically very good at opening up older pledge managers or one's you may have missed on request, and while older projects are still yet to fully complete, there are regular updates for every single one, and essentially every update will show meaningful progress on at least something.

As for KS exclusive heroes? I'm still pretty sure you're wrong on that one, but without trawling back through I'm not going to disagree, Except to reiterate you can access them if you ask.

I wouldn't say there are plenty of items on the web store, but perhaps there are from your perspective. If I say, wanted to buy some Jutes.....the only option I have is a token set. The Erainn have a total of....three models. I don't consider that well stocked. I did not know that your Kickstarter funds are pledged to the store, so I will give you that - though if nothing I'm interested is in stock, it is kind of a moot point. I'm sure Rob is good at opening older pledge managers, which is cool, but at that point why not just make the back-catalog available during every Kickstarter? I'm not saying that Mierce isn't good about making progress on their projects or fulfilling them (in fact everyone I've talked to who has backed their Kickstarters in the past has gotten most, if not all of their items), I just don't like the fact that since they roll from project to project while others are in process, items from previous Kickstarters take significantly longer to produce.

I don't remember the specific Kickstarter project, but one of them had three (or four maybe) waves of exclusive heroes that were specific and exclusive to that project. It is good to know you can still access them, though that does seem a little odd given how they were branded as exclusive to that particular Kickstarter.

The Jutes have not been released yet. The Erainn are new.

Being a Kickstarter backer unlocks a portion of the store that has all the Kickstarter goodies at discount.

Remember, they run a Kickstarter to a) pay for artist and b) pay for sculptors. The sculptors they have to book months in advance, so other companies don't. (in fact many other companies are pissed off at Mierce because they are booking the world's best sculptors for up to a year, almost exclusively). 90% of the wait on a Mierce KS is waiting for the sculptor. The other 10% is making masters, casting and prepping the models to ship.

That's because the Jutes and Erainn are two of the newest kindreds, and consequently haven't made it to retail yet.

What you're actually referring to is the range, rather than the stock, i.e. the number of items on sale, not the number of each item that can be purchased. The game is still very much a WIP in some regards, so some ranges are a lot less fleshed out, compare to say the Fomoraic or the Anglecynn or Ys, where there are many, many more models on sale, all, or most, in stock. If you wanted to buy a Jutes or Erainn starter then you could get access to one of the projects that offered them, some bundles are strictly KS backer only, but I'm pretty sure you could get the resin or metal versions of either faction if you wanted.

The whole back catalogue is opened up to backers in each pledge manager, normally at an increased discount, but the way the site is structured the various models still in KS projects are ring fenced, so access needs to be opened individually.

I'm not sure how you think previous models take longer to produce? Every new model is allocated a wave, each wave is given an estimated release date and then, rulebook and the odd model notwithstanding, they generally get sent out to backers around that time. To my knowledge nothing has ever been bumped to make way for something else.

KS specific heroes have pretty much been minor resculpts of existing models, excluding a couple from the early projects that I can recall, and will remain available until the pledge manager of that particular project closes, after which they won't be available any more. So they are exclusive, it's just thanks to Rob having the sense to let people who want to buy his stuff have access, the window is a little larger if you are compelled to ask.

If you're not keen on buying from Mierce, fair enough, but it appears most of your reservations are unfounded, hope this helps clear some up!

New Kindreds had the exclusive KS alt models. Jutes, Erainn, and atalantes are the new kindred. The other kindred are well stocked via their website to start a beginner host. Darklands is still growing and uses KS to do so, like it or not. Inch by inch month by month its getting there. One thing that's certain though is Mierce is top notch on customer support and KS support.

Here's Gol Gul, freshly cast:

Mmmmm Spidery

I like the skulls on the end of the legs too

Thanks for the clarifications Azrael and JudgeDoug. I feel a bit more inclined to back Mierce projects knowing I can add past KS projects items through current KS projects, instead of having to wait until essential items go to retail.

As far as past projects being delayed by current ones, i mean that by adding more work to a sculptor's workload it is going to take longer to get things out, especially if things are worked on for a newer project while past sculpts are not finished. That could be because certain sculptors are further ahead of others, but it at least appears that things have been delayed.

They spread the workload. As far as I know, it just doesn't happen.

You really have to ask for access to prior KS items. There also cutoff points where something will be removed from the KS section of their site until it hits retail. Typically its the hosts or combo deals that go and the individual mini's stay until they ship.

 Sabotage! wrote:
Thanks for the clarifications Azrael and JudgeDoug. I feel a bit more inclined to back Mierce projects knowing I can add past KS projects items through current KS projects, instead of having to wait until essential items go to retail.

This should probably be noted somewhere publicly one day... right now it's like the secret handshake you find out from talking to members

But it's awesome, and I've certainly made use of it!

I suspect it's one of those things KS could object to if it was officially brought to their attention

(just like you can't give discount coupons as part of a KS reward, and I've been part of KS which have had to officially pull back on those)

so super secret club it is

I think Rob has said before that kickstarter can be funny about selling previously available stuff directly through them.

Above all if there's anything that you think you should or would like to be able to buy that you can't just contact Mierce and I'm sure they will help you out. They have some of the most involved and accommodating customer service I've ever encountered which is no mean feat considering some of the emails they must get.

I can only concur with what has been said about mierce being very helpfull in getting what you want for their kickstarters.