Sarouan wrote:
I find these pictures quite fitting to AoS as well. And it's good to see more bright artwork than always the previous dark, tortured and twisted pictures from John Blanche and alike.

I know some people can't get past the nostalgia, but they should know better than always live in the past. WFB is dead. Accept it once and for all. Or play/watch Total War: Warhammer, it has a good WFB feeling nonetheless.

 Sarouan wrote:
I find these pictures quite fitting to AoS as well. And it's good to see more bright artwork than always the previous dark, tortured and twisted pictures from John Blanche and alike.

I know some people can't get past the nostalgia, but they should know better than always live in the past. WFB is dead. Accept it once and for all. Or play/watch Total War: Warhammer, it has a good WFB feeling nonetheless.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Tree-Revenants.

Alarielle has no Aelfs in her forces. The Grand Alliance: Order book has made it clear that she considers the Wanderers(the remnants of the Wood Elves) to be traitors to the Realm of Life, who abandoned it when things became dire.

For their part, the Wanderers seem to feel nothing but sadness at fleeing the Realm of Life and are trying to bring the Wind of Life back to the other realms by erecting Waystones.

The Dark and High Elves? They're the ones we saw in Grand Alliance: Order. We're not going to see anything recognizable when we get to the Shadowkin(Dark Elves who stayed behind in the Realm of Shadows; we've seen two of them in Warhammer Quest in the form of the Mistweaver and Tenebrae Shard) and the followers of Tyrion, who dwell within the Realm of Light.

 Sete wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Tree-Revenants.

Alarielle has no Aelfs in her forces. The Grand Alliance: Order book has made it clear that she considers the Wanderers(the remnants of the Wood Elves) to be traitors to the Realm of Life, who abandoned it when things became dire.

For their part, the Wanderers seem to feel nothing but sadness at fleeing the Realm of Life and are trying to bring the Wind of Life back to the other realms by erecting Waystones.

The Dark and High Elves? They're the ones we saw in Grand Alliance: Order. We're not going to see anything recognizable when we get to the Shadowkin(Dark Elves who stayed behind in the Realm of Shadows; we've seen two of them in Warhammer Quest in the form of the Mistweaver and Tenebrae Shard) and the followers of Tyrion, who dwell within the Realm of Light.

She didn't have any wood aelfs, now she seems to have some hybrid thing going on. Which i call "literal wood elves".

Again this concept makes me curious to see the new Dark and High Aelfs. Which is he Shadowkin, and i assume, the Brightkin if they keep going literal with the names and concepts.
Yes yes i know the names and concepts have changed, leave this sick and frail old man alone, he is just trying to keep up with these hip youngsters names.

Chopxsticks wrote:
Harsh dude.. This is a forum of grown men who buy tiny plastic toys... wouldn't you think we are all kinda idiots..

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Not every piece of art can be an Adrian Smith Chaos Warrior of Badassdom.

Speaking of which, I'm still waiting for figures modeled on the covers of tjose old army books GW...

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 mdauben wrote:
I like Alarielle and the warriors fighting next to her. I don't care much for the Spite Revenants (the green tree guys). As artwork its okay, but they look more like vampires than elves or Aelves or whatever they are calling them now.

Spites were nasty little things in the previous book/s - the word revenant suggests they may be undead so they may actually be something like a vampire - perhaps they are the tree folk of Nagash's realm?

Eh...I think you're just grabbing onto the "undead" aspect of the revenant part without considering what the term has been used for historically.
In European myth, revenants are those who return from the grave with a specific purpose--usually revenge or to mend a wrong.
To the Greeks and Egyptians, whose myths the European myths were seemingly based upon? Revenants were not "undead", not in the sense that most people think of(shambling horrors and the like)--they were the souls of the deceased returning to reanimate their remains to accomplish a task. That task might have been revenge or to serve as a messenger from the pantheon of gods or whatever.

Kind of a weird distinction I know, but remember the background on Tree-Kin? They were the souls of deceased Asrai who were animating dead tree material to form a body for themselves so that they could continue to protect Athel Loren and their kin--they had nothing to do with the undead or Nagash.
Or heck, remember that the Elf who became Orion was actually slain during the process of awakening Orion, with his heart removed and replaced with an apple from the Oak of Ages and the vines wound about his frame were part of what kept him alive as well.

Wood Elves have always had an element of ritual and revenants to them with no necessity of Nagash or the Realm of Death being involved. I have a feeling that the Waystones we've been told that the Wanderers are placing, which are bringing back the power of Life to the realms, are going to be tied in somehow to these Spite Revenants and Tree-Revenants(that's the name the poster from the recent Open Day used to describe the other set up of Aelf/Dryad mix).

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 mdauben wrote:
I like Alarielle and the warriors fighting next to her. I don't care much for the Spite Revenants (the green tree guys). As artwork its okay, but they look more like vampires than elves or Aelves or whatever they are calling them now.

Spites were nasty little things in the previous book/s - the word revenant suggests they may be undead so they may actually be something like a vampire - perhaps they are the tree folk of Nagash's realm?

Eh...I think you're just grabbing onto the "undead" aspect of the revenant part without considering what the term has been used for historically.
In European myth, revenants are those who return from the grave with a specific purpose--usually revenge or to mend a wrong.
To the Greeks and Egyptians, whose myths the European myths were seemingly based upon? Revenants were not "undead", not in the sense that most people think of(shambling horrors and the like)--they were the souls of the deceased returning to reanimate their remains to accomplish a task. That task might have been revenge or to serve as a messenger from the pantheon of gods or whatever.

Kind of a weird distinction I know, but remember the background on Tree-Kin? They were the souls of deceased Asrai who were animating dead tree material to form a body for themselves so that they could continue to protect Athel Loren and their kin--they had nothing to do with the undead or Nagash.
Or heck, remember that the Elf who became Orion was actually slain during the process of awakening Orion, with his heart removed and replaced with an apple from the Oak of Ages and the vines wound about his frame were part of what kept him alive as well.

Wood Elves have always had an element of ritual and revenants to them with no necessity of Nagash or the Realm of Death being involved. I have a feeling that the Waystones we've been told that the Wanderers are placing, which are bringing back the power of Life to the realms, are going to be tied in somehow to these Spite Revenants and Tree-Revenants(that's the name the poster from the recent Open Day used to describe the other set up of Aelf/Dryad mix).

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:
I find these pictures quite fitting to AoS as well. And it's good to see more bright artwork than always the previous dark, tortured and twisted pictures from John Blanche and alike.

I know some people can't get past the nostalgia, but they should know better than always live in the past. WFB is dead. Accept it once and for all. Or play/watch Total War: Warhammer, it has a good WFB feeling nonetheless.

This. +1 sir. Times have changed folks, move on. Continue playing with the old ruleset if that's what makes you happy. Or even better, play the 9th Age rules. I've heard nought but good things about that. Anyways, this thread is fast slipping into a general pro/con discussion of WHFB vs AoS, so let's get back on topic shall we?

 Yodhrin wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:
I find these pictures quite fitting to AoS as well. And it's good to see more bright artwork than always the previous dark, tortured and twisted pictures from John Blanche and alike.

I know some people can't get past the nostalgia, but they should know better than always live in the past. WFB is dead. Accept it once and for all. Or play/watch Total War: Warhammer, it has a good WFB feeling nonetheless.

This. +1 sir. Times have changed folks, move on. Continue playing with the old ruleset if that's what makes you happy. Or even better, play the 9th Age rules. I've heard nought but good things about that. Anyways, this thread is fast slipping into a general pro/con discussion of WHFB vs AoS, so let's get back on topic shall we?

Funny because it seems very much the AoS fans who're pushing the discussion that way - I was having what I thought was a conversation about the quality and style of the art presented here relative to the art GW used to produce, not the merits of its subject matter. Perhaps it's you lot who need to "let it go" and stop assuming that any comment or criticism from someone who prefers WHF to AoS is derived only from that specific preference? Or maybe you're right, maybe my view on the newer art is really just cryptohate for AoS, good thing I didn't express similar sentiments about the same change in style, quality, and focus of 40K art not too long ago because that would completely undermine that idea...

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:
I find these pictures quite fitting to AoS as well. And it's good to see more bright artwork than always the previous dark, tortured and twisted pictures from John Blanche and alike.

I know some people can't get past the nostalgia, but they should know better than always live in the past. WFB is dead. Accept it once and for all. Or play/watch Total War: Warhammer, it has a good WFB feeling nonetheless.

This. +1 sir. Times have changed folks, move on. Continue playing with the old ruleset if that's what makes you happy. Or even better, play the 9th Age rules. I've heard nought but good things about that. Anyways, this thread is fast slipping into a general pro/con discussion of WHFB vs AoS, so let's get back on topic shall we?

Funny because it seems very much the AoS fans who're pushing the discussion that way - I was having what I thought was a conversation about the quality and style of the art presented here relative to the art GW used to produce, not the merits of its subject matter. Perhaps it's you lot who need to "let it go" and stop assuming that any comment or criticism from someone who prefers WHF to AoS is derived only from that specific preference? Or maybe you're right, maybe my view on the newer art is really just cryptohate for AoS, good thing I didn't express similar sentiments about the same change in style, quality, and focus of 40K art not too long ago because that would completely undermine that idea...

Exactly. I fail to see how the rules and even setting of AOS (which are terrible imo, but that's besides the point) have any bearing on our opinion of the art. But then, for some weird reasons, some posters are so protective of gw and AOS that they will resort to the lowest sophistry to defend them against legitimate criticism

Anyways, has someone said before, it is preferable to have bad art of a good concept than good art of a bad concept, when it comes to a mini game, and I think that the tree-elves are of the former kind. Not sure about Alarielle though

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:
I find these pictures quite fitting to AoS as well. And it's good to see more bright artwork than always the previous dark, tortured and twisted pictures from John Blanche and alike.

I know some people can't get past the nostalgia, but they should know better than always live in the past. WFB is dead. Accept it once and for all. Or play/watch Total War: Warhammer, it has a good WFB feeling nonetheless.

This. +1 sir. Times have changed folks, move on. Continue playing with the old ruleset if that's what makes you happy. Or even better, play the 9th Age rules. I've heard nought but good things about that. Anyways, this thread is fast slipping into a general pro/con discussion of WHFB vs AoS, so let's get back on topic shall we?

Funny because it seems very much the AoS fans who're pushing the discussion that way - I was having what I thought was a conversation about the quality and style of the art presented here relative to the art GW used to produce, not the merits of its subject matter. Perhaps it's you lot who need to "let it go" and stop assuming that any comment or criticism from someone who prefers WHF to AoS is derived only from that specific preference? Or maybe you're right, maybe my view on the newer art is really just cryptohate for AoS, good thing I didn't express similar sentiments about the same change in style, quality, and focus of 40K art not too long ago because that would completely undermine that idea...

Exactly. I fail to see how the rules and even setting of AOS (which are terrible imo, but that's besides the point) have any bearing on our opinion of the art. But then, for some weird reasons, some posters are so protective of gw and AOS that they will resort to the lowest sophistry to defend them against legitimate criticism

Anyways, has someone said before, it is preferable to have bad art of a good concept than good art of a bad concept, when it comes to a mini game, and I think that the tree-elves are of the former kind. Not sure about Alarielle though

They have bearing because people who dislike the rules/setting are much more likely to dislike the art. Perception bias is just as strong on the negative side as the positive, so some people are so critical of GW that they will disapprove of even the best product. I think disregarding rabid protectors of GW without doing the same for the opposite side is pretty damming evidence that one is a part of it.

At any rate I think we can all continue the art quality discussion in the general AoS forum if we need to.



Anyways, I am looking at the pictures and it seems we are getting a dual build infantry on 32mm with shared legs/torso and alternate heads/hands. What do you guys think it will be? Are these guys going to be monstrous infantry or in-between like Stormcast?

 streetsamurai wrote:
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When they pass a certain age, most people are able to not let their emotions cloud their judgement.. Not saying that "GW hater" doesn't exist, but I fail to see how categorising everyone who don't like the new arts as hater is productive.

 Kirasu wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
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When they pass a certain age, most people are able to not let their emotions cloud their judgement.. Not saying that "GW hater" doesn't exist, but I fail to see how categorising everyone who don't like the new arts as hater is productive.

Completely untrue. Emotions rule humanity from birth until death, otherwise politics and marketing wouldn't exist :p

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:
I find these pictures quite fitting to AoS as well. And it's good to see more bright artwork than always the previous dark, tortured and twisted pictures from John Blanche and alike.

I know some people can't get past the nostalgia, but they should know better than always live in the past. WFB is dead. Accept it once and for all. Or play/watch Total War: Warhammer, it has a good WFB feeling nonetheless.

This. +1 sir. Times have changed folks, move on. Continue playing with the old ruleset if that's what makes you happy. Or even better, play the 9th Age rules. I've heard nought but good things about that. Anyways, this thread is fast slipping into a general pro/con discussion of WHFB vs AoS, so let's get back on topic shall we?

Funny because it seems very much the AoS fans who're pushing the discussion that way - I was having what I thought was a conversation about the quality and style of the art presented here relative to the art GW used to produce, not the merits of its subject matter. Perhaps it's you lot who need to "let it go" and stop assuming that any comment or criticism from someone who prefers WHF to AoS is derived only from that specific preference? Or maybe you're right, maybe my view on the newer art is really just cryptohate for AoS, good thing I didn't express similar sentiments about the same change in style, quality, and focus of 40K art not too long ago because that would completely undermine that idea...

Exactly. I fail to see how the rules and even setting of AOS (which are terrible imo, but that's besides the point) have any bearing on our opinion of the art. But then, for some weird reasons, some posters are so protective of gw and AOS that they will resort to the lowest sophistry to defend them against legitimate criticism

Anyways, has someone said before, it is preferable to have bad art of a good concept than good art of a bad concept, when it comes to a mini game, and I think that the tree-elves are of the former kind. Not sure about Alarielle though

They have bearing because people who dislike the rules/setting are much more likely to dislike the art. Perception bias is just as strong on the negative side as the positive, so some people are so critical of GW that they will disapprove of even the best product. I think disregarding rabid protectors of GW without doing the same for the opposite side is pretty damming evidence that one is a part of it.

At any rate I think we can all continue the art quality discussion in the general AoS forum if we need to.



Anyways, I am looking at the pictures and it seems we are getting a dual build infantry on 32mm with shared legs/torso and alternate heads/hands. What do you guys think it will be? Are these guys going to be monstrous infantry or in-between like Stormcast?

 Mr Morden wrote:


Hmm interesting ideas - could very well be right but I am also thinking that all the various races seem to be found in the various realms and are often changed by them - so you could have some form of tree folk (agreed so maybe not these) who are tied to the realm of Death?

tneva82 wrote:

Problem now is that GW went from having UNIQUE artwork to 13 in a dozen.

From "oh this is GW art" you went from "okay so what kickstart artist's work this is?

Thebiggesthat wrote:
News and rumours.

Not general discussion.

 Sarouan wrote:
As funny as seeing a fish walking on two legs in Mordheim's illustrations can be, I don't think seeing that kind of things everywhere makes an imaginary world believable. Maybe for Realms of Chaos (even so, I grow tired of skulls everywhere), certainly not for a town where people should be living.

Thebiggesthat wrote:
News and rumours.

Not general discussion.

 Manchu wrote:
I don't care for the artwork, personally. It's way too generic. Reminds me of third-party D&D/Pathfinder work - probably because of that "partially finished" digital paint style, in addition to the character design.

Plumbumbarum wrote:
AoS would be infinitely better if it was grimdark and twisted, the realms just beg for it. Not to mention the-lighting-in-the-dark, sigmarines ex machina would hold more weight.

GW had a trademark style, why drop it for 999th bright and vibrant but sigmarines. It's only fresh against old GW fantasy and even if GW grimdark was "getting old" (It wasn't), AoS is old already against the rest of the market. And they don't even try to be best at it, the art is half hearted just like everything else about AoS.

 Mymearan wrote:
Just finished another AoS novel and am super hyped about the fluff, and I'm starting to really like the Stormcast - to the point where I really hope we'll get some more releases soon
Oh, and I might have to buy back that Stormcast army I sold for pretty cheap :( going to be a bit of a pain because used Stormcast have been going up in price lately up here, and even the starter set models are getting harder to get cheaply - the "General's handbook" effect?