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I suppose it could be intentional of an omission so that they could represent future releases, but by all accounts there are some sneaky Orc and Ogre future releases already pointed in the book, so why not future-proof the Handbook as much as possible?

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I suppose it could be intentional of an omission so that they could represent future releases, but by all accounts there are some sneaky Orc and Ogre future releases already pointed in the book, so why not future-proof the Handbook as much as possible?

Maybe they don't intend for the Silver Tower stuff to see comp play until it is available for a general release?

And from everything said, it looks like it is stuff that is going to be in small books that might be released between now and the General's Handbook(which is supposed to be July 23rd for preorders) becoming officially available.

At 2000 points.

1-6 leaders

3+ battleline

max 4 of each artillery and behemoths.

The first new thing I did with AoS was get the Seraphon dino battalion with 3 dinosaurs, add in some old Korixgor to make the battalion complete. 2000pts is not meaning anything to me, any one any idea what that would cost (i.e. would that battalion be invalid except in a much larger game)?

It would probably be invalid, yeah. Unless somehow and someway the Ripperdactyls/Terradons are Battleline.

Man... I just can't wait to get playing, with hopefully a bigger assortment of players.

I know AoS can be a pretty divided community, and the points/no-points debate could get heated... And I know the game bears the burden of being tied to another beloved system whose death is an anchor around its feet... but man... it is a really, really, fun game, that I hope people give a fair shot to.

I went to a terrific KoW tournament yesterday, and its amazing how many people can't even give the game another evaluation look on its own merits, unable to separate the drama surrounding it, from the game itself.

Oh, @Puree, I wouldn't worry at all. My wife did the same (Thundersomething Host box, right?), and I think we figured out that it would all come out to 1000-ish points, meaning plenty of room for Battleline units, and the heroes that make Seraphon so, so good.

Edit: Ah, I forgot about the required slots aspect. But do keep in mind, 1. Its only for points-matched games, and 2. Things like Saurus Guard will inevitably be Battleline, so a single box of 15 from GW, will make the required three, five-man, minumum units.

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Yeeeah...the issue is that maximum of 4 Behemoths.

If a Magmadroth is considered a Behemoth, you can basically be assured that Carnosaurs and Stegadons are going to be Behemoths as well--which means the Thunderbeast Host is eating 3/4 of those slots in a 2000 point list.

It seems to be a single Behemoth slot per 500 points, so the Thunderbeast Host could not be done in 1000 points.

I was more thinking points wise, as 2000pts doesn't mean much to me yet. I was sort of assuming that anything not art/behemoth was batteline - but obviously I haven't kept up enough with rumors and maybe a lot of stuff is not in any category?

MM, that might mean monster infantry is not battleline? So that flesh eater court I'm working on might be fubarred as well, so I'd having to get stuff I just can't be arsed getting and painting :(

Points I can sort of live with, org limits makes me sad.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
Yeeeah...the issue is that maximum of 4 Behemoths.

If a Magmadroth is considered a Behemoth, you can basically be assured that Carnosaurs and Stegadons are going to be Behemoths as well--which means the Thunderbeast Host is eating 3/4 of those slots in a 2000 point list.

It seems to be a single Behemoth slot per 500 points, so the Thunderbeast Host could not be done in 1000 points.

I'd be ok with that using 3/4 dino slots in that one formation. Assuming that 2000pts is not some uber big game where they wouldn't get used much. I.e. that formation would fit into what might be a 'standard sized game'

 Kanluwen wrote:
Yeeeah...the issue is that maximum of 4 Behemoths.

If a Magmadroth is considered a Behemoth, you can basically be assured that Carnosaurs and Stegadons are going to be Behemoths as well--which means the Thunderbeast Host is eating 3/4 of those slots in a 2000 point list.

It seems to be a single Behemoth slot per 500 points, so the Thunderbeast Host could not be done in 1000 points.

I don't know... It's definitely looking like 500pts per Behemoth slot, but the Behemoth's themselves probably have much more variance in costs. If we're currently going with the "we multiply SCGT by 20x we get GH points", then the Thunderbeast Host looks like 800-ish points.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Yeeeah...the issue is that maximum of 4 Behemoths.

If a Magmadroth is considered a Behemoth, you can basically be assured that Carnosaurs and Stegadons are going to be Behemoths as well--which means the Thunderbeast Host is eating 3/4 of those slots in a 2000 point list.

It seems to be a single Behemoth slot per 500 points, so the Thunderbeast Host could not be done in 1000 points.

I don't know... It's definitely looking like 500pts per Behemoth slot, but the Behemoth's themselves probably have much more variance in costs. If we're currently going with the "we multiply SCGT by 20x we get GH points", then the Thunderbeast Host looks like 800-ish points.

You're looking at 320 points for an Auric Runefather on Magmadroth; up from 100 points base.

Figure around 200ish points for the simple fact that things are Monsters and 100 points for what would have been a "Fighty Lord".
So 2x Stegadons are likely to be 400 points base; with possible points for upgrades and around 320 for the Carnosaur Oldblood. So you're looking at 720 for just the big stuff or in that vicinity.

If it's 500 points per Behemoth slot AND Leaders mounted on Behemoths use both Behemoth and Leader slots--you cannot do the Thunderbeast Host sub-1500 points, unless they've got some kind of caveat that Warscroll Battalions ignore those restrictions(which just raises the question of what's the point of having the listings to begin with?).

Ah, I see what they're going for summoning then. Other than just alternative deployments, it's also for bypassing the max restrictions you have for leaders and behemoths.

Small scale heroes probably, but there's some opportunity to be had there in summoning multiple heralds maybe.

 Lou_Cypher wrote:
Ah, I see what they're going for summoning then. Other than just alternative deployments, it's also for bypassing the max restrictions you have for leaders and behemoths.

Small scale heroes probably, but there's some opportunity to be had there in summoning multiple heralds maybe.

I don't know about that - a lot of Summoning is not Heroes.

puree wrote:
I was more thinking points wise, as 2000pts doesn't mean much to me yet. I was sort of assuming that anything not art/behemoth was batteline - but obviously I haven't kept up enough with rumors and maybe a lot of stuff is not in any category?

MM, that might mean monster infantry is not battleline? So that flesh eater court I'm working on might be fubarred as well, so I'd having to get stuff I just can't be arsed getting and painting :(

Points I can sort of live with, org limits makes me sad.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
Yeeeah...the issue is that maximum of 4 Behemoths.

If a Magmadroth is considered a Behemoth, you can basically be assured that Carnosaurs and Stegadons are going to be Behemoths as well--which means the Thunderbeast Host is eating 3/4 of those slots in a 2000 point list.

It seems to be a single Behemoth slot per 500 points, so the Thunderbeast Host could not be done in 1000 points.

I'd be ok with that using 3/4 dino slots in that one formation. Assuming that 2000pts is not some uber big game where they wouldn't get used much. I.e. that formation would fit into what might be a 'standard sized game'

@puree the leaked pics show dragon ogres and I believe more monstrous infantry as battleline only if you have the same allegiance. So I can finally go back 20 years and have an all minotaur army again (if we were using this book, otherwise I do what I want anyway) or all dragon ogre army or whatever.

 KiloFiX wrote:

 Lou_Cypher wrote:
Ah, I see what they're going for summoning then. Other than just alternative deployments, it's also for bypassing the max restrictions you have for leaders and behemoths.

Small scale heroes probably, but there's some opportunity to be had there in summoning multiple heralds maybe.

I don't know about that - a lot of Summoning is not Heroes.

Is it likely the Summoing effects abilities like Neferata's ability to make new Vampires by killing enemy heroes?

I made a link. 34 leaked photos with points values from the Handbook. Enjoy! http://imgur.com/a/gThul

 Mymearan wrote:
I made a link. 34 leaked photos with points values from the Handbook. Enjoy! http://imgur.com/a/gThul

I am enjoying this link immensely ;-)

Really interesting to see Behemoth =/= Monster in all cases and Artillery =/= Warmachine in all cases too. For example both a Hurricanum and a Steamtank are classed as Behemoths. Gyrocopters count as nothing (although the fact you can't battleline them means Ironweld Arsenal cannot be played as a stand alone faction - probably true for many of the subfactions).

So I can finally go back 20 years and have an all minotaur army again

Lol, I always had a dream as a kid of the all minotaur army (warhammer or whatever). I don't know why but I had thing for huge bull men back then as the alternative to Orcs and the like.

Some new names in there and legacy scrolls as well. I'm going to have to get this when released.

puree wrote:

So I can finally go back 20 years and have an all minotaur army again

Lol, I always had a dream as a kid of the all minotaur army (warhammer or whatever). I don't know why but I had thing for huge bull men back then as the alternative to Orcs and the like.

1994-8 had all metal Minotaur army. I liked variety and not ll monopose. Same thing with ogres.
But, I am really ok with these points if I end up using them which I'm sure I wil at some point, even if only to test game.

Skullhammer wrote:
Some new names in there and legacy scrolls as well. I'm going to have to get this when released.

Indeed pleasently surprised to see the old armies in as well as the new.

Well, that pretty much confirms Alarielles new model: Leader, Behemoth

Has anybody seen Tomb Kings in the General's Handbook?

Hi @MymearanMade, thanks for the images! Could you also scan the High Elves list? The older list from the original Age of Sigmar compendium for them...

At a glance, I see a ton of good, though I suspect the battleline requirement will quickly get min-maxed, with players figuring out the cheapest way to pay that tax, per Grand Alliance.

There are definitely more factions than I thought, that can't really claim "Allegiance" if it really means running 100% from within that list. Too many just don't have battleline units.

Likewise, wanting to include a Giant/Gargant in any Destruction army means breaking your Allegiance (for just one example), which makes me think either the Allegiance bonuses are minimal in practice, or some units will never ever be taken if they are something players will urgently want.

My wife is definitely lucky as she was already running pure Seraphon, but with all my lists made up, for example, of previously "Dark Elves", I am in a harder spot as that army was shattered into for different AoS ones. :-p

All in all... looking very solid though. I don't see anything which offends at first glance, though I suspect we'll be seeing A LOT of Abhorrant Ghoulking's on Terrorgeists. :-p


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Oh, if scanners are taking requests, can we get some of the other Ogre units?

Hoping FW join in and add their own stuff.

Need to use my rogue idols :p

Will be waiting a while for a proper game though as alot of people in my group use plenty of FW models, including 2 chaos dwarf players.

Oh man, these are nice for rough values but the balance is as bad as feared from the looks of it. I laughed when I saw Be'Lakor at 240.

At a glance, I see a ton of good, though I suspect the battleline requirement will quickly get min-maxed, with players figuring out the cheapest way to pay that tax, per Grand Alliance.

As expected org charts screw me. Even my dark elves where I have based around 1 wound models have no battleline, which would force me to buy/make/paint models I just don't want to. I had half a mind to get the Saurus guard if I revisited them, so that might be doable, but I have no wish to do 30 ghouls to go with my other flesh eaters, nor more dark elves to go with my drow, and combining smaller groups of minis into armies so you don't have to keep collecting largely the same stuff makes it even harder in some cases. I am hoping that any battalion would be legal irrespective of org requirements so we can collect battalions and play them in any game (point limit allowing).

Saw this link that from the guy who has the book and had a Q and A which I saw from Wr of Sigmar. Not sure if it was posted here. Chaos points I think the person said. Sorry if it was posted already.

http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1466974639273.pdf

 Mymearan wrote:
I made a link. 34 leaked photos with points values from the Handbook. Enjoy! http://imgur.com/a/gThul

So Dwarf Miners are... free?

And should have guessed that Ironbreakers wouldn't be Battleline. My new army I was making currently amounts to

Unforged
Warden King
Runelord
2 units of 5 Ironbreakers (with standards, musicians, and champions)
2 units of 5 Irondrakes (with torpedoes)

Guess I'll need to grab a box or 2 of Longbeards to make it "legit", if I want to play with these rules.

(I do have a much larger Dwarven army, but for AoS I'm trying to use only 8th edition style Dwarfs, as I don't like the look of my warriors, thunderers, and cannon crew alongside them)

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