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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I hope Hammerfell is expandable from the main range.

Man, I loved that aspect of original Quest!

Wait, Bethesda Softworks has signed a deal with Games Workshop? Great! I can't wait to see how will look their expansion of Shadows of Hammerhall!

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I hope Hammerfell is expandable from the main range.

Man, I loved that aspect of original Quest!

Wait, Bethesda Softworks has signed a deal with Games Workshop? Great! I can't wait to see how will look their expansion of Shadows of Hammerhall!

No man that is tottaly original material

herjan1987 wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I hope Hammerfell is expandable from the main range.

Man, I loved that aspect of original Quest!

Wait, Bethesda Softworks has signed a deal with Games Workshop? Great! I can't wait to see how will look their expansion of Shadows of Hammerhall!

No man that is tottaly original material

Herjan, there's missing the joke and there's what you've done. You should be ashamed.

Seems like there's a lot less included enemy types this time around.

I also could have sworn that GW had mentioned something about all new something or other models in the original press blurb.

Or maybe it was just my imagination?

So it seems that this weekends other preorders have not been mentioned yet. They are:
Lord Aquilor €32
Knight Palladors on gryph chargers 3 to a box I think. €45
Slambo chaos Lord?!!? €29
Source for this is Miniwars.eu.

Chikout wrote:
So it seems that this weekends other preorders have not been mentioned yet. They are:
Lord Aquilor €32
Knight Palladors on gryph chargers 3 to a box I think. €45
Slambo chaos Lord?!!? €29
Source for this is Miniwars.eu.

If true then next weekend we will see the Aetherwings and the Vanguard-Raptors (big crossbow guys) up for pre-order. Which will round the last of the Stormcast releases.

The next AOS releases would be Warhammer Quest and then hopefully Duardin.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I don't think we will actually have a "game master" but rather something like Execution Force where there's a set of "programming" for the "NPCs".

For real? The marketing thing (which based upon its wording goes to retailers) flat out says:

"... while another acts as game master, setting fiendish obstacles, controlling the antagonists (monsters) and setting the story..."

That's not AI. That's someone acting as the GM.

Cataphract wrote:

Chikout wrote:
So it seems that this weekends other preorders have not been mentioned yet. They are:
Lord Aquilor €32
Knight Palladors on gryph chargers 3 to a box I think. €45
Slambo chaos Lord?!!? €29
Source for this is Miniwars.eu.

If true then next weekend we will see the Aetherwings and the Vanguard-Raptors (big crossbow guys) up for pre-order. Which will round the last of the Stormcast releases.

The next AOS releases would be Warhammer Quest and then hopefully Duardin.

According to Miniwars warhammer quest is also up for preorder this weekend. At this point the next unknown preorder week is March 11(after rise of the primarch)
It would be great to see the new Duardin that soon.
By the way, is it just me or is GW's release schedule crazy this year. In the first two months of the year we have 2 campaign books, 2 battletomes and two new games. It is looking like next month will have another campaign book and another battletome. It was not that long ago when we had six new books in a whole year (2011?). This year we will have 6 in 3 months.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Seems like there's a lot less included enemy types this time around.

I also could have sworn that GW had mentioned something about all new something or other models in the original press blurb.

Or maybe it was just my imagination?

There's flat out a lot less included.

Silver Tower had 6 hero options in the box. Hammerhall has 4.
Silver Tower had 2 'evil leaders' in the box. Hammerhall has 1 (smaller than either of the Silver Tower ones).
Silver Tower had 7 types of non-leader monsters in the box. Hammerhall has 3.
Silver Tower had 38 total non-leader monsters in the box. Hammerhall has 25 (albeit, size/bulk likely favours hammerhall in this respect - many ST monsters are tiny).

The familiars don't factor into those calculations.

The rules will obviously make or break the game, but in terms of value for contents, this is nowhere near the standard set by Silver Tower.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I don't think we will actually have a "game master" but rather something like Execution Force where there's a set of "programming" for the "NPCs".

For real? The marketing thing (which based upon its wording goes to retailers) flat out says:

"... while another acts as game master, setting fiendish obstacles, controlling the antagonists (monsters) and setting the story..."

That's not AI. That's someone acting as the GM.

I didn't see that bit. Not everyone trawls 4chan.

https://www.facebook.com/WarhammerTVteam/videos/332010690527249/

Does anyone recognize the model about 30 seconds into the video, the one shown alongside the Changeling?

 Ghaz wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/WarhammerTVteam/videos/332010690527249/

Does anyone recognize the model about 30 seconds into the video, the one shown alongside the Changeling?

It's a kitbash from Chris peach's amazing freeguild army.

Chikout wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/WarhammerTVteam/videos/332010690527249/

Does anyone recognize the model about 30 seconds into the video, the one shown alongside the Changeling?

It's a kitbash from Chris peach's amazing freeguild army.

Cool. I wondered why I wasn't seeing any discussion on it anywhere if it was a new model.

[Edit]:Ninja'd by Chikout.

Hmm, looks like a flagellant kitbashed into a warrior priest.

Chikout wrote:

Cataphract wrote:

Chikout wrote:
So it seems that this weekends other preorders have not been mentioned yet. They are:
Lord Aquilor €32
Knight Palladors on gryph chargers 3 to a box I think. €45
Slambo chaos Lord?!!? €29
Source for this is Miniwars.eu.

If true then next weekend we will see the Aetherwings and the Vanguard-Raptors (big crossbow guys) up for pre-order. Which will round the last of the Stormcast releases.

The next AOS releases would be Warhammer Quest and then hopefully Duardin.

According to Miniwars warhammer quest is also up for preorder this weekend. At this point the next unknown preorder week is March 11(after rise of the primarch)
It would be great to see the new Duardin that soon.
By the way, is it just me or is GW's release schedule crazy this year. In the first two months of the year we have 2 campaign books, 2 battletomes and two new games. It is looking like next month will have another campaign book and another battletome. It was not that long ago when we had six new books in a whole year (2011?). This year we will have 6 in 3 months.

Indeed, I think it's GW trying to get the better part of the AoS releases out if the way so they can focus on 40k 8th edition.

Also, not surprised that the new Warhammer quest is lacking new models. Probably won't see new quest models until next year, hopefully the Steamhead release will make up for it. (Also hoping the Duardin lord will be a tie-in to the faction.)

The GM element sounds cool, though. Someone needs to suggest to the WD facebook about putting in GM articles for special scenarios to stir up the creativity.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I hope Hammerfell is expandable from the main range.

Man, I loved that aspect of original Quest!

Wait, Bethesda Softworks has signed a deal with Games Workshop? Great! I can't wait to see how will look their expansion of Shadows of Hammerhall!

It took me waaay too long to get the joke...

 Kanluwen wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I don't think we will actually have a "game master" but rather something like Execution Force where there's a set of "programming" for the "NPCs".

For real? The marketing thing (which based upon its wording goes to retailers) flat out says:

"... while another acts as game master, setting fiendish obstacles, controlling the antagonists (monsters) and setting the story..."

That's not AI. That's someone acting as the GM.

I didn't see that bit. Not everyone trawls 4chan.

Yeah, that's why it was posted a page back or so.
>_>

decker_cky wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Seems like there's a lot less included enemy types this time around.

I also could have sworn that GW had mentioned something about all new something or other models in the original press blurb.

Or maybe it was just my imagination?

There's flat out a lot less included.

Silver Tower had 6 hero options in the box. Hammerhall has 4.
Silver Tower had 2 'evil leaders' in the box. Hammerhall has 1 (smaller than either of the Silver Tower ones).
Silver Tower had 7 types of non-leader monsters in the box. Hammerhall has 3.
Silver Tower had 38 total non-leader monsters in the box. Hammerhall has 25 (albeit, size/bulk likely favours hammerhall in this respect - many ST monsters are tiny).

The familiars don't factor into those calculations.

The rules will obviously make or break the game, but in terms of value for contents, this is nowhere near the standard set by Silver Tower.

Something that I wonder is if these are monopose figures like silver tower or if they are actually a full blightking kit, half a bloodreaver kit, and half an acolyte kit. That would account for over half the value right there before even getting to the heroes.

Baron Klatz wrote:
Also, not surprised that the new Warhammer quest is lacking new models.

Really, why?

 Kanluwen wrote:
I didn't see that bit. Not everyone trawls 4chan.

Don't even try that. It was posted word for word here multiple times, in this thread and the actual Quest thread.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Something that I wonder is if these are monopose figures like silver tower or if they are actually a full blightking kit, half a bloodreaver kit, and half an acolyte kit. That would account for over half the value right there before even getting to the heroes.

Seems unlikely that they would cut new sprues just to release something that already exists in the exact same numbers. Nothing in this box is new remember. Kairic Acolytes come on two sprues, of which you get 2 of each in the box for 20 minis, so halving that to 10 is easy. Ditto for the Reavers. Blight Knights come in 5's on 3 sprues, and this box comes with 5 so it is unlikely that we're getting something similar to what we have already.

Well Chikout already addressed it on the thread for warhammer quest but it's likely Silver Tower was planned as sort of a one-off thing and it's big popularity probably surprised GW.

They probably weren't planning to return to it so soon but the outcry for more warhammer quest on their Facebooks and other sites forced their hand to bring something out sooner than planned and even if they started working on it right after Silver Tower's launch it'd still take two years as that's their average model-making time.

So by that logic we should see new quest models with the next release. Hopefully that's the rumored undead version.

Edit: (Oh, Ragnar69 also addressed this.)

Baron Klatz wrote:
... and it's big popularity probably surprised GW.

That seems to be going around. Blood Bowl, Silver Tower, the response to Adeptus Titanicus at the FW thing last weekend.

Releasing products and then acting gobsmacked when they are a runaway success doesn't seem like a prudent way to run a business.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
... and it's big popularity probably surprised GW.

That seems to be going around. Blood Bowl, Silver Tower, the response to Adeptus Titanicus at the FW thing last weekend.

Releasing products and then acting gobsmacked when they are a runaway success doesn't seem like a prudent way to run a business.

Perhaps it's more about them being surprised by the demographic? Of course older gamers will like it, but the new blood?

Maybe there has been a real upswing in interest by younger players and hobbyist, though I'm not exactly sure how GW would reliably gauge this bar surveying customers in store and at events.

Let's just call a spade a spade, they were surprised a game that featured neither space marines or the fantasy space marine equivalent sold well.

I think the new community interaction is also a big part of it as they now can directly hear the fandom's demands.

I think the new WD is a good example of this as they did a huge turn in so short of an amount of time that they didn't even have time to make a new White Dwarf model to go with the change.

Baron Klatz wrote:
I think the new WD is a good example of this as they did a huge turn in so short of an amount of time that they didn't even have time to make a new White Dwarf model to go with the change.

Yeah I'm sure that's the reason...

*snicker*

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
... and it's big popularity probably surprised GW.

That seems to be going around. Blood Bowl, Silver Tower, the response to Adeptus Titanicus at the FW thing last weekend.

Releasing products and then acting gobsmacked when they are a runaway success doesn't seem like a prudent way to run a business.

I'm wondering if their seemingly conservative sales estimations are based on the market now having alternatives, and not knowing how their return would work out?

For a long time, Blood Bowl was (at least to my knowledge) the only game of it's sort. But since GW pulled it, others have sprung up, which seem popular enough in their own right.

Likewise Quest - for me, Warhammer Quest was and always will be the finest dungeon crawl game I've ever played. Since it's untimely demise (allegedly because they lost the plans for the dungeon tiles. But that's likely apocryphal), lots of others have gained attention and followers. To be honest, Silver Tower, whilst fun, isn't a patch on it - too heavily themed.

@H.B.M.C,
What's to doubt? The change happened in six months and it takes over a year for a model to be produced.

They didn't have enough time so had to make due with what they had.

It's seems more prudent to be conservative in your estimates and have to reprint / expand future options than over estimate and have product sitting around / cancel work that's already done.

It's the first real test of the market for them in a long time afterall

There's also the 'have we actually annoyed former customers as much as the vocal minority claim we have?' to factor in.

If the answer was yes, little harm done.

As the answer was no, slight frustration as stuff quickly becomes back order - and we've already seen a change, particularly in Blood Bowl. Winter Pitch is still showing as 'no longer available' (though they have confirmed they're looking to restock. Hurrah!). Dwarf Dice, and Skaven/Dwarf pitch? Email Me When Available - so they are going back into production to satisfy the demand.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
... and it's big popularity probably surprised GW.

That seems to be going around. Blood Bowl, Silver Tower, the response to Adeptus Titanicus at the FW thing last weekend.

Releasing products and then acting gobsmacked when they are a runaway success doesn't seem like a prudent way to run a business.

I'm wondering if their seemingly conservative sales estimations are based on the market now having alternatives, and not knowing how their return would work out?

For a long time, Blood Bowl was (at least to my knowledge) the only game of it's sort. But since GW pulled it, others have sprung up, which seem popular enough in their own right.

Likewise Quest - for me, Warhammer Quest was and always will be the finest dungeon crawl game I've ever played. Since it's untimely demise (allegedly because they lost the plans for the dungeon tiles. But that's likely apocryphal), lots of others have gained attention and followers. To be honest, Silver Tower, whilst fun, isn't a patch on it - too heavily themed.

The only thing there low production amounts are influenced by is the game that shall not be named in nottingham........Dreadfleet.

"The print runs of the foreign language editions were always bigger than we could sell, and after several near-disasters where we’d printed way too many of something, GorkaMorka being a classic example, we’d nearly bankrupted the company.”

Source?