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Back when they were using Lead based pewter, the boxes all recommended 12+.

That stopped when they stopped using lead (and later stopped using metal of any sort).


GW definitely has two groups of customers- an older crowd of veteran gamers and a younger crowd (that probably starts around age 10ish).

For my part, I know 10 year olds who are gamers. A lot of them are into CCGs and board games (with minis).

 odinsgrandson wrote:
Back when they were using Lead based pewter, the boxes all recommended 12+.

That stopped when they stopped using lead (and later stopped using metal of any sort).


GW definitely has two groups of customers- an older crowd of veteran gamers and a younger crowd (that probably starts around age 10ish).

For my part, I know 10 year olds who are gamers. A lot of them are into CCGs and board games (with minis).

The boxes still say 12+ on them.

But just because the boxes say 12+ on them doesn't necessarily mean they're targeting 12+ year olds, it might just be they don't want 8 year olds slicing their fingers off and the parents blaming GW because it should have been safe for their 8 year old Timmy.

I started when I was about 9 or 10 years old, but I was building models planes since I was about 6 or 7.

I'm 25 and I slice my fingers all the time.

Same. Just regular hobby hazards along with blisters and greenstuff sickness.

You cannot film 40k

I don't think you can in this day and age. Back during the Robocop, Terminator and Ghost buster days where movies could freely swing between younger audience entertainment and inappropriate scenes would've been perfect for a 40k movie.

Now it'd have to be overly mature and lose it's charm or it'd have to give up the majority of the grimdark and be a hollow shell.

Maybe I'm wrong but it just seems everything has to categorized these days which hurts a "true" warhammer movie.

Further off-topic comment:

A Warcraft movie got made. Warcraft. Yet they can't do something like the Great War and Asavar Kul vs. Magnus the Pious? It'd look gorgeous, and would cater to the nerd culture we have going on. If God damned Warcraft (a direct rip off of WFB) can be made into a movie, then GW has no excuse with its current properties.

And people promptly forgot that the warcraft movie happened. It was billed as the next "Lord of The Rings" and yet there was a collective 'meh' across the world. As I understand it, the only reason the film was any sort of success was China.

I think Lord of the Rings was quite possibly a once in a generation shot, the perfect combination of a director with vision, an eye for 'how much is too much' and film production management that were too worried about an on-going corporate merger than looking closely at what bloke in New Zealand was up to.

A Warhammer Fantasy or 40k film I think would be far better off going small scale. - Maybe have some huge set pieces but ultimately small scale. - Fantasy-wise, I'm thinking less Great War, more "Gotrek and Felix." 40k-wise, the Inquisition is the way to go, as worked out by Damnatus and "Lord Inquisitor."

Warcraft is not a good example. They practically ripped up the lore to cater to the MMO fanbase. (Okay, nothing new there)

It was "meh" all over. If they stuck to the actual events of that time and when their novels and writing were good then maybe it could've been a good excuse for a Warhammer movie as it would've been good .

I think Lord of the Rings was quite possibly a once in a generation shot, 

I think you're absolutely right about that.

Unfortunate as that is let's be grateful it at least it gave the fantasy genre the shot in the arm it needed.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I'm 25 and I slice my fingers all the time.

Yeah but that's your own foolishness and you're not 8 years old, thus your parents can't blame the box having an inappropriate age label when you end up in the hospital with a severed nerve and a bunch of stitches.

You don't put an age label on that matches the age of your target audience, nor a label that matches some magical age where your customers will stop injuring themselves. You put on an age label that allows you to wash your hands of it all, so that parents don't have an avenue to complain about their kids injuring themselves or complain about their kids poor little minds being corrupted by the grim darkness of your setting and 56th scaled plastic boobies on your models.


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Baron Klatz wrote:
Same. Just regular hobby hazards along with blisters and greenstuff sickness.

Greenstuff sickness? Err, maybe don't eat it.

Haha, good one. A number of my friends have gotten sick from breathing it in. (Though they use ALOT of it.)

That's impressive, I wonder what's in it that makes them sick. It's an epoxy putty and we use epoxies at work that let off more fumes in 1 second than greenstuff lets off in an hour. Are you sure it's from them breathing it and not contact? You should be probably be wearing gloves if you use it for a long time.

Ah, maybe it was the contact. I just remember a few of them having to put their projects on hold because the doctors said the greenstuff was making them sick.

It was awhile ago so maybe I mixed up harmful glue fumes with greenstuff fumes.

Compel wrote:And people promptly forgot that the warcraft movie happened. It was billed as the next "Lord of The Rings" and yet there was a collective 'meh' across the world. As I understand it, the only reason the film was any sort of success was China.

I think Lord of the Rings was quite possibly a once in a generation shot, the perfect combination of a director with vision, an eye for 'how much is too much' and film production management that were too worried about an on-going corporate merger than looking closely at what bloke in New Zealand was up to.

A Warhammer Fantasy or 40k film I think would be far better off going small scale. - Maybe have some huge set pieces but ultimately small scale. - Fantasy-wise, I'm thinking less Great War, more "Gotrek and Felix." 40k-wise, the Inquisition is the way to go, as worked out by Damnatus and "Lord Inquisitor."

Baron Klatz wrote:
Warcraft is not a good example. They practically ripped up the lore to cater to the MMO fanbase. (Okay, nothing new there)

It was "meh" all over. If they stuck to the actual events of that time and when their novels and writing were good then maybe it could've been a good excuse for a Warhammer movie as it would've been good .

I think Lord of the Rings was quite possibly a once in a generation shot, 

I think you're absolutely right about that.

Unfortunate as that is let's be grateful it at least it gave the fantasy genre the shot in the arm it needed.

I wasn't trying to use Warcraft as some sort of modern masterpiece, I simply pointed out that it was made. The genre is still attracting studios, it just needs to have that oooomph to attract audiences. That, and sink a few extra bucks to have the actors on the more modern geek shows namedrop it.

 Compel wrote:
And people promptly forgot that the warcraft movie happened. It was billed as the next "Lord of The Rings" and yet there was a collective 'meh' across the world. As I understand it, the only reason the film was any sort of success was China.

I think Lord of the Rings was quite possibly a once in a generation shot, the perfect combination of a director with vision, an eye for 'how much is too much' and film production management that were too worried about an on-going corporate merger than looking closely at what bloke in New Zealand was up to.

A Warhammer Fantasy or 40k film I think would be far better off going small scale. - Maybe have some huge set pieces but ultimately small scale. - Fantasy-wise, I'm thinking less Great War, more "Gotrek and Felix." 40k-wise, the Inquisition is the way to go, as worked out by Damnatus and "Lord Inquisitor."

You're forgetting that the Lord of the Rings is without a doubt one of the top 10 literary works of the past century and the top 1 fantasy story ever.
It was somewhat fethed up compared to the book but that was indeed a rather fair interpretation of the books.
He did add 10 parts of love story to a book which had one, changed the story and betrayed some of the characters... but yeah not bad at all.
We're used to so much worse after all.

Warcraft is just a video game with a slightly random background.
GW is probably just as random and low quality fiction, but then there's the added catch: 30M WoW subscriptions.
How many people are into GW?
Maybe 30.000?
Certainly not 300.000, because we do spend more than 100 a year on average.


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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I'm 25 and I slice my fingers all the time.

Are you begging for attention?

 Compel wrote:

I think Lord of the Rings was quite possibly a once in a generation shot, the perfect combination of a director with vision, an eye for 'how much is too much'

Sorry, which movies were these?


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
That's impressive, I wonder what's in it that makes them sick.

Amides?

Regardless, sensitization to whatever's in epoxy putty, including greenstuff, is a thing. Some just get it sooner than others. I've heard from a few people how putty that they once handled just fine, now makes them break out if they don't wear gloves. See Bob Naismith's quote about Nick Bibby here, just below the dreadnaught pics.

The LOTR movies were just as much a curse to the genre as a blessing. Rather than ushering in a new age of successful fantasy films they set the bar so high that most now won't even try.

 Vermis wrote:
Sorry, which movies were these?

The ones that were hugely successful, are loved the world over, and won so many awards that it's just nuts.

Also the ones that make book purists get really angry over nothing. I presume that based on your comment, you fall into this category. Correct me if I'm wide of the mark here.

And a bar even The Hobbit couldn't vault.

Though I blame James Nesbitt and Martin 'I can do it, so long as my character is allowed to look permanently exasperated' Freeman for that one.

H.B.M.C. wrote:The ones that were hugely successful, are loved the world over, and won so many awards that it's just nuts.

Yes, but based more on this:

morgoth wrote:
You're forgetting that the Lord of the Rings is without a doubt one of the top 10 literary works of the past century and the top 1 fantasy story ever.

Rather than this:

Compel wrote:a director with vision, an eye for 'how much is too much'

The Frighteners is about PJ's speed. Give him a big budget and a project that's already famous and iconic and you end up with three-year-long apatosaur stampedes, ice-skating gorillas, and a ~9-hour exercise in computer animation based on a short children's book. He has a vision, maybe, but it's got little to do with 'how much is too much'.

Also the ones that make book purists get really angry over nothing. I presume that based on your comment, you fall into this category. Correct me if I'm wide of the mark here.

You're especially cuddly today.

Is there a way to tie this even tangentially into the topic? GW fumbled the Hobbit license, but maybe there wasn't much of a new bubble to exploit anyway.

 Vermis wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
That's impressive, I wonder what's in it that makes them sick.

Amides?

Regardless, sensitization to whatever's in epoxy putty, including greenstuff, is a thing. Some just get it sooner than others. I've heard from a few people how putty that they once handled just fine, now makes them break out if they don't wear gloves. See Bob Naismith's quote about Nick Bibby here, just below the dreadnaught pics.

Yeah as I said in the part of the quote that you cut out, "You should be probably be wearing gloves if you use it for a long time." People can develop allergies to lots of things.

But it was specifically the "breathing" part that impressed me and made me wonder if there's something special about greenstuff, as it doesn't actually put off many fumes compared to an epoxy glue or epoxy laminating resin or an epoxy paint. Try and paint a bathtub with epoxy paint and you'll see what I mean.

WoW is a rip-off of WHFB, LotR rage and Epoxy sensitivity in a Financial Thread - man you guys can tangent with the best of them. Everyone take acookie from the jar!

A licenced 40k film would be a strange beast though; Directors wouldn't know whether to go epic with the background panoramas and spend multi-Millions on the CGI or go dim (as in low light) and claustrophobic.

Between that and the almost casual but unremitting violence needed (it would be Sci-Fi War porn after all) it would take a special or insane individual to get close to right and even then half the fans would auto-hate simply on the basis that it would naturally be about Marines or not about their own-bestest-fav-awesome Chapter/whatever.

Oh man it would be grim viewing if done "properly". Like the un-relenting (and pretty unpleasant) first few episodes of the latest season of the Walking Dead which even turned fans off, but with large calibre weapons and chainswords.

Probably best left on the drawing board.

We seem to have wandered far from the topic... could someone perhaps start a "SciFi/Fantasy Movie Making" discussion thread (either in this section or Geek Media) and link to it here?

Then we can let this thread drift down the page, unless someone wants to discuss GW's financials.

Thanks all

Edit for the mod compliance. Mods for the Mod Squad!

On the actual topic, the point about what is the size of the GW market was kind of interesting. I'm sure the math isn't so simple as the post indicated that the market for GW is only 300,000 people (mainly because most of GW's revenue is likely at wholesale pricing, thus what is spent at retail is mostly irrelevant), but what is the actual size of their customer base I wonder.

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I'm 25 and I slice my fingers all the time.

Yeah but that's your own foolishness and you're not 8 years old, thus your parents can't[snip...]

morgoth wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I'm 25 and I slice my fingers all the time.

Are you begging for attention?

Jeez chill out both of you, it was a joke. No need to be so hostile.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I'm 25 and I slice my fingers all the time.

Yeah but that's your own foolishness and you're not 8 years old, thus your parents can't[snip...]

morgoth wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I'm 25 and I slice my fingers all the time.

Are you begging for attention?

Jeez chill out both of you, it was a joke. No need to be so hostile.

Its the internet. It breeds hostile attitudes.

EDIT: Missed the mod's warning above. Let's get back on topic or let the thread die I suppose.

Ok, was more directed to Morgoth than you I guess.

So with a customer base of 300 000 customers, and then making limited editions of 1000 no wonder they always sell out and can there fore create artificial hype and artificial supply and demand to make their product look popular.

I really wish GW could sell the product instead of relying on impulse buys. Make the product better and it will sell. I guess 40K 8th edition will be the proof in the pudding if GW has changed their ways or not.

Reason I say this is, I can never understand a company saying "we don't want to sell you these limited edition copies". Like the Stormcast book was limited to what 300? I wouldn't have minded buying that book for my collection but for GW says "we don't want you to buy it because I wasn't fast enough on F5f" just boggles me. I gave up on trying to buy GW limited edition stuff now.

Still relying on impulse buys is not a way to grow the company.

Anyone else remember the old movies with outfits and like no special effects?

OgreChubbs wrote:
Anyone else remember the old movies with outfits and like no special effects?

Yes, the fifties were a golden era. Specially in their strong correlation to games workshop's financials, which should be the matter at hand.

OgreChubbs wrote:
Anyone else remember the old movies with outfits and like no special effects?

Lots of those "awesome" movies are on Youtube.
I think the way to go with a 40k movie is to see the action through a serf or a imperial guard that got caught in a war between space marines and whatever.
Just don't license it to Uwe Boll