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 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:


Do we know if Blood Angels et al can use the Contemptors and Cataphractii Terminators yet?

I should bloody hope so...



Bloody....Blood Angels....geddit?










I'll get my coat.

The datasheets have the Space Marine faction symbol so they are C:SM. You can use them in your army via a second detachment, they will not be BA but SM.

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Warhams-77 wrote:
The datasheets have the Space Marine faction symbol so they are C:SM. You can use them in your army via a second detachment, they will not be BA but SM.

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Can't you still use the minis as Blood Angles and just use the Blood Angles codex? That would be counts as right? Nothing wrong with that.

Spoiler:

What issue is that White Dwarf? Is it on sale now or next week?

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
I've finally bought one of the last remaining Deathwatch sets from my LGS because I really like Genestealer cults and its obvious which way it's going if they get released individually.

Just so we're clear:
Sad Panda has hinted/implied that the Deathwatch and Cult releases are NOT them simply selling the sprues from Overkill by themselves. The stuff within Overkill is things that could potentially be built using the contents of the boxed set sprues.

Binabik15 wrote:
Unless the pound drops below the €

it hasn't already? with the way some news commentators made it out you'd think thbe pound would already be worthless and everyone would have been fired from their jobs, I mean jeeze Brexit was a week ago

Davor wrote:
Can't you still use the minis as Blood Angles and just use the Blood Angles codex? That would be counts as right? Nothing wrong with that.

Yes, I was only answering the question on the previous page

What issue is that White Dwarf? Is it on sale now or next week?

It is on sale now, the current issue.

Warhams-77 wrote:

Davor wrote:
Can't you still use the minis as Blood Angles and just use the Blood Angles codex? That would be counts as right? Nothing wrong with that.

Yes, I was only answering the question on the previous page

What issue is that White Dwarf? Is it on sale now or next week?

It is on sale now, the current issue.

I made a post about it on WH40K FB, and they seemed to imply we will get them at some point for BA, DA, and SW.

That would be welcome. We are already using these in my group with any SM faction.

Warhams-77 wrote:
That would be welcome. We are already using these in my group with any SM faction.

I wouldn't mind seeing some bone white Cataphractii.

Warhams-77 wrote:
That would be welcome. We are already using these in my group with any SM faction.

And why wouldn't you? I'd say the only Chapters that wouldn't have access to that stuff are the ones most recently founded on Mars.

The ridiculous pricing aside, i think this will increase the sales of Battle for Calth as the ebay sellers will see this as an opportunity to sell the mini's separatly. and GW will get more false sales information, see how many BAC we sold they must like it

Warhams-77 wrote:

What issue is that White Dwarf? Is it on sale now or next week?

It is on sale now, the current issue.

Thanks for the answer. Dang, I bought a WD today but it had the Allreial (sorry forgot her name) on beetle on the cover today. I guess that was last weeks and missed this weeks.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
The ridiculous pricing aside, i think this will increase the sales of Battle for Calth as the ebay sellers will see this as an opportunity to sell the mini's separatly. and GW will get more false sales information, see how many BAC we sold they must like it

How is that false sales information? A sale is a sale. The gnomes don't sneak the money back out of the gamesworkshop coffers every time a bits seller breaks a set of Calth minis and sells them seperately online. You know once they have our cash, they tick a little box and cable it a good old sale.

People like the BaC minis ergo they are buying the BaC box.

 General Kroll wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
The ridiculous pricing aside, i think this will increase the sales of Battle for Calth as the ebay sellers will see this as an opportunity to sell the mini's separatly. and GW will get more false sales information, see how many BAC we sold they must like it

How is that false sales information? A sale is a sale. The gnomes don't sneak the money back out of the gamesworkshop coffers every time a bits seller breaks a set of Calth minis and sells them seperately online. You know once they have our cash, they tick a little box and cable it a good old sale.

People like the BaC minis ergo they are buying the BaC box.

Huh? If BaC boxsets sell more now because of the individual prices are set now, that would mean those BaC sets wouldn't have sold as many copies now if the individual set prices were lower or not being released at all. So seeing an increase now in BaC is YES a false sales figure, it's not that people are liking the boxset for the game but just getting it for the minis because it's a cheaper option.

Davor wrote:
So seeing an increase now in BaC is YES a false sales figure, it's not that people are liking the boxset for the game but just getting it for the minis because it's a cheaper option.

To be fair, pretty much everyone, including Games Workshop and Forge World, knows that you're buying BaC for the minis and not the board game. Otherwise there's no way that Forge World would have ever had the "wink wink nudge nudge, kit out entire BaC set in the Legion of your choice!" bundles.

 Mr. Grey wrote:

Davor wrote:
So seeing an increase now in BaC is YES a false sales figure, it's not that people are liking the boxset for the game but just getting it for the minis because it's a cheaper option.

To be fair, pretty much everyone, including Games Workshop and Forge World, knows that you're buying BaC for the minis and not the board game. Otherwise there's no way that Forge World would have ever had the "wink wink nudge nudge, kit out entire BaC set in the Legion of your choice!" bundles.

Yes I thought this as much, but what doesn't make sense to me though is, why bother make a game then and the resources are wasted, time and money and effort that could have went else where if people are never going to use it then. Just make BaC minis and be done with. So much money would have been saved not making counters/boards/rules and what not if they are never going be use, or I should say be used by many.

It's not like a ton of effort went into the board game part of it, that whole "they could've spent that money on something else" argument always rings pretty hollow to me. Besides, some of us like the board game. I'd rather have it than not, anyway.


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Davor wrote:
Huh? If BaC boxsets sell more now because of the individual prices are set now, that would mean those BaC sets wouldn't have sold as many copies now if the individual set prices were lower or not being released at all. So seeing an increase now in BaC is YES a false sales figure, it's not that people are liking the boxset for the game but just getting it for the minis because it's a cheaper option.

The only way a sales figure can be false is if they haven't actually sold anything. What you're saying makes no sense.

Guessing that the company had a "no price discounts" policy in effect(and still does). Packaging BaC as a "board game" instead of purely miniatures let them set a discount; it also has the effect of allowing tons of 40K players to dip into playing 30K, thereby giving lots more money to FW for all the books and other shiny stuff.

 Mr. Grey wrote:
Guessing that the company had a "no price discounts" policy in effect(and still does). Packaging BaC as a "board game" instead of purely miniatures let them set a discount; it also has the effect of allowing tons of 40K players to dip into playing 30K, thereby giving lots more money to FW for all the books and other shiny stuff.

To bad GW should drop this "no price discounts" and just start dropping their prices.

Announce prices of solo sets.
Panic buying clears stocks of BaC, sales of which would inevitably slow otherwise.
Discontinue BaC without being sat on too much stock.
Announce new Heresy boxed game.
Sell for a while.
Repeat...

Can you use these rules for CSM's?

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
Can you use these rules for CSM's?

Not sure. I thought and I can't remember where, it has the SM faction to it. Could be wrong since I am not familiar with this. All I remember was BA and DA couldn't use the rules.

Would be pretty stupid as half the suits of Cataphractii would be in the hands of traitors, for whom the last 10k years were not as long for many due to warp shenanigans.

Someone like the Black Legion should actually have a larger chance to still have functioning suits than the Ultramarines or Dark Angels. Would be more fluffy than their "pre-Heresy" suits being the mark that is generally seen as "post-Heresy".

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Would be pretty stupid as half the suits of Cataphractii would be in the hands of traitors, for whom the last 10k years were not as long for many due to warp shenanigans.

Someone like the Black Legion should actually have a larger chance to still have functioning suits than the Ultramarines or Dark Angels. Would be more fluffy than their "pre-Heresy" suits being the mark that is generally seen as "post-Heresy".

I don't think Dark Angles have access to this if I read a post correctly. Only SM faction can use them, so that means no BA, DA, GK, SW or anyone else not in the SM codex.

Well, sure. It's not like the Deathwing would have any relic suits......

Davor wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Would be pretty stupid as half the suits of Cataphractii would be in the hands of traitors, for whom the last 10k years were not as long for many due to warp shenanigans.

Someone like the Black Legion should actually have a larger chance to still have functioning suits than the Ultramarines or Dark Angels. Would be more fluffy than their "pre-Heresy" suits being the mark that is generally seen as "post-Heresy".

I don't think Dark Angles have access to this if I read a post correctly. Only SM faction can use them, so that means no BA, DA, GK, SW or anyone else not in the SM codex.

I believe you're correct in terms of the dataslate entry; however, they're still quite usable as regular (non-Cataphractii) Terminators, if you so desire. But any game where you would be fielding either Cataphractii or Tactical terminators is likely to be so friendly/non-competitive that your opponent is probably happy to let you bend the rules and run them as whatever you want.

Same goes with a lot of the other dubiously worthwhile units like the stalker, stormtalon, stormhawk, etc. -- most people who want to field these just want to because they think the model is cool and they painted one

Heh, that's nearly always my motivation!

B@C, the GAME, was very well received at our FLGS. We've played through the campaign as well as the extra mission we were able to get in WD (there were a couple WD missions but it's the only one we got hold of).

In fact, the rules would actually get me back into playing 40k if GW were to pursue that route.

TL: DR

Are the rules for the 30k units in the WD different for those in HH books?

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
TL: DR

Are the rules for the 30k units in the WD different for those in HH books?

Yes they are. 30k units, most notably, lack "And they shall know no fear" and chapter tactics, and no "Deep strike" for the terminators. They also possess other rules in place of them, such as "Fury of the legion" on the tacticals, which enables extra shots in exchange for sacrificing your movement. They also have different load outs than their 40k equivalents. A modern 40k 10 man squad of tactical marines is closer in load out to a unit of 30k veteran marines (although with different options, obviously) than a 30k tactical squad. The 30k unit of tacticals starts at 10 men minimum, and the only option for the whole squad (besides the sarge) is "do I pay for these CCWs, or trade my bolters for them?". There is no option for any heavy/special weapons at all.

Of course, there's more to it than just that, but that's just a sampling of the differences in rules.