Snipers in Dallas, TX protest

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**Prestor Jon**

Breotan wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
5) Police to adopt a proportional force directive. i.e. lethal force is only used after all other methods are exhausted. Obviously, If somebody starts shotting at a police officer, they have every right to shoot back, but pulling a gun should be a last resort.

This is nice, in theory. I abhor the militarization of the police. However, we do not live in a world where Andy Griffith type policing will work. The criminals here are often way too violent for that. There are plenty of videos on YouTube showing why police in the USA go for an approach of complete control over any situation. Anything less can often quickly result in the cop being killed. Then, on the other side, are the videos of police overreacting and causing harm and/or death to otherwise innocent people and not being held to account by the courts. This deepens the divide between the police and community and poisons a cooperative relationship leaving an adversarial one.

I was watching the news and a spokesperson for the Dallas police mentioned that their officers were trained in deescalation and that the Dallas department had the least number of shootings of any large city in America. Perhaps if that model spreads to other cities, we'll see less loss of innocent life, fewer riots, and a lessening of the hate that makes people act like assassins.

Violent crime has been decreasing for years now. The tragedy in Dallas not withstanding, it is still extremely rare for police officers to get shot at or to need to shoot anyone. The number of LEOs that die in the line of duty is extremely small given all the thousands of LEOs we have on the local, state and federal level. There is no data to support the practice of teaching cops to treat everyone they meet as a dangerous armed suspect plotting to kill them. That level of fear isn't a good motivator and greatly increases the likelihood of confrontations going wrong.

**CptJake**

Kilkrazy wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:
Anyone else getting sick of it was a peacful movement until 11 people got shot? Then closely followed by there is so much hate so I can understand, this is going to turn into a race war......

You're jumping the gun.

There isn't any proven link with BLM. At the moment for all we know the shooters are white supremacists angry with the police for protecting black people.

No, we know at least one was a black guy who stated he wanted to kill white guys, especially but not only white cops.

**Jihadin**

Kilkrazy wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:
Anyone else getting sick of it was a peacful movement until 11 people got shot? Then closely followed by there is so much hate so I can understand, this is going to turn into a race war......

You're jumping the gun.

There isn't any proven link with BLM. At the moment for all we know the shooters are white supremacists angry with the police for protecting black people.

Johnson is not Caucasian Kil

Edit

Though I did hear this morning on the rumor vine that it might be a possible KKK individual pinning it on BLM. Before Johnson was Opted

**Spetulhu**

Prestor Jon wrote:
The terrible idea that cops have to adopt the attitude that they have to treat everyone like they're a threat in order to protect themselves is just another instance of bad training and practices that afflict a lot of police departments.

Though it is also somewhat understandable - when and if a police officer gets shot on duty it's often a total surprise where he didn't even have time to draw his own gun and shoot back (or shout for people to freeze).

In a peaceful place like this it's really odd that police have to shoot someone or get shot at (though we had a very recent incident where a crazy with an assault rifle killed a policeman and then killed himself for mostly no reason at all, except he probably wanted to keep the rifle which he could by no means have bought legally). Mostly our police don't even draw a gun unless someone is already aiming at them or a bystander. Special Tactics is a different matter, but then there's usually already been shots fired and someone injured.

**Kilkrazy**

CptJake wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:
Anyone else getting sick of it was a peacful movement until 11 people got shot? Then closely followed by there is so much hate so I can understand, this is going to turn into a race war......

You're jumping the gun.

There isn't any proven link with BLM. At the moment for all we know the shooters are white supremacists angry with the police for protecting black people.

No, we know at least one was a black guy who stated he wanted to kill white guys, especially but not only white cops.

Even so it is a huge leap to go from that to accuse BLM of being a crime group.

**OgreChubbs**

Kilkrazy wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:
Anyone else getting sick of it was a peacful movement until 11 people got shot? Then closely followed by there is so much hate so I can understand, this is going to turn into a race war......

You're jumping the gun.

There isn't any proven link with BLM. At the moment for all we know the shooters are white supremacists angry with the police for protecting black people.

They killed one shooter so far who is a black man who hates whites.

**MrDwhitey**

That still isn't a proven link to BLM.

**usernamesareannoying**

the very name of that group makes it a racist hate group in my opinion.
why isn't it all lives matter?
its ok as long as the slogan isn't white lives matter I guess.

**Jihadin**

Lets not go down that road please.

**Asterios**

Prestor Jon wrote:
Breotan wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
5) Police to adopt a proportional force directive. i.e. lethal force is only used after all other methods are exhausted. Obviously, If somebody starts shotting at a police officer, they have every right to shoot back, but pulling a gun should be a last resort.

This is nice, in theory. I abhor the militarization of the police. However, we do not live in a world where Andy Griffith type policing will work. The criminals here are often way too violent for that. There are plenty of videos on YouTube showing why police in the USA go for an approach of complete control over any situation. Anything less can often quickly result in the cop being killed. Then, on the other side, are the videos of police overreacting and causing harm and/or death to otherwise innocent people and not being held to account by the courts. This deepens the divide between the police and community and poisons a cooperative relationship leaving an adversarial one.

I was watching the news and a spokesperson for the Dallas police mentioned that their officers were trained in deescalation and that the Dallas department had the least number of shootings of any large city in America. Perhaps if that model spreads to other cities, we'll see less loss of innocent life, fewer riots, and a lessening of the hate that makes people act like assassins.

Violent crime has been decreasing for years now. The tragedy in Dallas not withstanding, it is still extremely rare for police officers to get shot at or to need to shoot anyone. The number of LEOs that die in the line of duty is extremely small given all the thousands of LEOs we have on the local, state and federal level. There is no data to support the practice of teaching cops to treat everyone they meet as a dangerous armed suspect plotting to kill them. That level of fear isn't a good motivator and greatly increases the likelihood of confrontations going wrong.

well lets look at last years statistics, of blacks killed by cops just over 100, of officers killed in the line of duty about 130 so while being a police officer is not the most dangerous job it is very stressful

**Smacks**

Asterios wrote:
then tell me how would you make society better? you never answered that question? man is warlike by nature, we are not peaceful people and will fight one way or the other. so how do you stop our own nature?

Probably beyond the scope of this topic, but things like reducing poverty, reducing the rich/poor divide, increasing social mobility, investing in infrastructure and public services, policing, public health, mental health etc.. etc... And of course, not encouraging, glamorising, and endorsing violence.

**Asterios**

Kilkrazy wrote:
CptJake wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:
Anyone else getting sick of it was a peacful movement until 11 people got shot? Then closely followed by there is so much hate so I can understand, this is going to turn into a race war......

You're jumping the gun.

There isn't any proven link with BLM. At the moment for all we know the shooters are white supremacists angry with the police for protecting black people.

No, we know at least one was a black guy who stated he wanted to kill white guys, especially but not only white cops.

Even so it is a huge leap to go from that to accuse BLM of being a crime group.

I don't think the BLM is behind this, but believe the shooters were members in the group, they knew where the route would go, they knew where to set up, there was a lot of planning involved in this and they needed inside info to set it up with.

Smacks wrote:
Asterios wrote:
then tell me how would you make society better? you never answered that question? man is warlike by nature, we are not peaceful people and will fight one way or the other. so how do you stop our own nature?
Probably beyond the scope of this topic, but things like reducing poverty, reducing to rich/poor divide, increasing social mobility, investing in infrastructure and public services, policing, public health, mental health etc.. etc... And of course, not encouraging, glamorising, and endorsing violence.

and that would be the case if only poor people commited crimes, but that is not the case, even the rich commit crimes and even murder, as to policing, the current feel in this country is the police have too much power and you want to increase it? so far your suggestions are a pipe dream and would not resolve anything.

**BrotherGecko**

Anybody can be in BLM its not an organization, there are no membership fees or registration, vetting process or roll call. Its a social media hashtag that grew into a movement of various people for a fairly specific cause (end institutional violence against people of African decent in the United States). BLM can't be behind this because they don't have a hierarchy to plan anything with, just local politically motivated individuals who can rally communities.

**Jihadin**

I go as far as they took advantage of BLM intel on the parade route or something. I go as far as they faked the funk pretending to be BLM. Its way to early to declare who, what, when, and why yet

**CptJake**

Kilkrazy wrote:
CptJake wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:
Anyone else getting sick of it was a peacful movement until 11 people got shot? Then closely followed by there is so much hate so I can understand, this is going to turn into a race war......

You're jumping the gun.

There isn't any proven link with BLM. At the moment for all we know the shooters are white supremacists angry with the police for protecting black people.

No, we know at least one was a black guy who stated he wanted to kill white guys, especially but not only white cops.

Even so it is a huge leap to go from that to accuse BLM of being a crime group.

Much bigger leap to go the white supremacist route at this point, and yet you did.

I personally have not brought up BLM as responsible. Having said that, the pictures of Johnson kind of indicate he was at least sympathetic with the movement, and his statements indicate race was his motivating factor.

**MrDwhitey**

Apparently he was upset with BLM also, CptJake.

Speculation is that he may have felt it didn't go far enough.

**CptJake**

MrDwhitey wrote:
Apparently he was upset with BLM also, CptJake.

Speculation is that he may have felt it didn't go far enough.

I read that too. Personally I'll wait until after the investigation, but will continue to comment/post stuff that comes up (like the article I linked to or the picture).

Real early, and initial reporting is never correct.

**Asterios**

BrotherGecko wrote:
Anybody can be in BLM its not an organization, there are no membership fees or registration, vetting process or roll call. Its a social media hashtag that grew into a movement of various people for a fairly specific cause (end institutional violence against people of African decent in the United States). BLM can't be behind this because they don't have a hierarchy to plan anything with, just local politically motivated individuals who can rally communities.

thats why I said I don't think the BLM was behind this, but a fringe element that was part of the group, you know radicals, every group has them.

and then we get idiots like this guy:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/08/politics/joe-walsh-obama-war-tweet/index.html?sr=fbCNN070816joe-walsh-obama-war-tweet0201PMVODtopLink&linkId=26340774

**Prestor Jon**

Asterios wrote:
Prestor Jon wrote:
Breotan wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
5) Police to adopt a proportional force directive. i.e. lethal force is only used after all other methods are exhausted. Obviously, If somebody starts shotting at a police officer, they have every right to shoot back, but pulling a gun should be a last resort.

This is nice, in theory. I abhor the militarization of the police. However, we do not live in a world where Andy Griffith type policing will work. The criminals here are often way too violent for that. There are plenty of videos on YouTube showing why police in the USA go for an approach of complete control over any situation. Anything less can often quickly result in the cop being killed. Then, on the other side, are the videos of police overreacting and causing harm and/or death to otherwise innocent people and not being held to account by the courts. This deepens the divide between the police and community and poisons a cooperative relationship leaving an adversarial one.

I was watching the news and a spokesperson for the Dallas police mentioned that their officers were trained in deescalation and that the Dallas department had the least number of shootings of any large city in America. Perhaps if that model spreads to other cities, we'll see less loss of innocent life, fewer riots, and a lessening of the hate that makes people act like assassins.

Violent crime has been decreasing for years now. The tragedy in Dallas not withstanding, it is still extremely rare for police officers to get shot at or to need to shoot anyone. The number of LEOs that die in the line of duty is extremely small given all the thousands of LEOs we have on the local, state and federal level. There is no data to support the practice of teaching cops to treat everyone they meet as a dangerous armed suspect plotting to kill them. That level of fear isn't a good motivator and greatly increases the likelihood of confrontations going wrong.

well lets look at last years statistics, of blacks killed by cops just over 100, of officers killed in the line of duty about 130 so while being a police officer is not the most dangerous job it is very stressful

There are over 1 million LEOs in the US so yeah, 130 is a tiny tiny fraction of the workforce. Being a cop isn't nearly dangerous enough to warrant the fearful confrontational attitude that gets taught to cops and condoned by departments. Likewise there are 40-45 million black people in the US so the fact that only 100 die in police encounters shows that such vents are extremely rare and don't support the hyperbolic claims that LEOs are determined to go out and murder black people.

**redleger**

Kilkrazy wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:
Anyone else getting sick of it was a peacful movement until 11 people got shot? Then closely followed by there is so much hate so I can understand, this is going to turn into a race war......

You're jumping the gun.

There isn't any proven link with BLM. At the moment for all we know the shooters are white supremacists angry with the police for protecting black people.

actually atleast one of the shooters is a black former Army Soldier seen shaking hands with personnel from a black extremest organizatinon.

**Laughing Man**

Prestor Jon wrote:
Asterios wrote:
Prestor Jon wrote:
Breotan wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
5) Police to adopt a proportional force directive. i.e. lethal force is only used after all other methods are exhausted. Obviously, If somebody starts shotting at a police officer, they have every right to shoot back, but pulling a gun should be a last resort.

This is nice, in theory. I abhor the militarization of the police. However, we do not live in a world where Andy Griffith type policing will work. The criminals here are often way too violent for that. There are plenty of videos on YouTube showing why police in the USA go for an approach of complete control over any situation. Anything less can often quickly result in the cop being killed. Then, on the other side, are the videos of police overreacting and causing harm and/or death to otherwise innocent people and not being held to account by the courts. This deepens the divide between the police and community and poisons a cooperative relationship leaving an adversarial one.

I was watching the news and a spokesperson for the Dallas police mentioned that their officers were trained in deescalation and that the Dallas department had the least number of shootings of any large city in America. Perhaps if that model spreads to other cities, we'll see less loss of innocent life, fewer riots, and a lessening of the hate that makes people act like assassins.

Violent crime has been decreasing for years now. The tragedy in Dallas not withstanding, it is still extremely rare for police officers to get shot at or to need to shoot anyone. The number of LEOs that die in the line of duty is extremely small given all the thousands of LEOs we have on the local, state and federal level. There is no data to support the practice of teaching cops to treat everyone they meet as a dangerous armed suspect plotting to kill them. That level of fear isn't a good motivator and greatly increases the likelihood of confrontations going wrong.

well lets look at last years statistics, of blacks killed by cops just over 100, of officers killed in the line of duty about 130 so while being a police officer is not the most dangerous job it is very stressful

There are over 1 million LEOs in the US so yeah, 130 is a tiny tiny fraction of the workforce. Being a cop isn't nearly dangerous enough to warrant the fearful confrontational attitude that gets taught to cops and condoned by departments. Likewise there are 40-45 million black people in the US so the fact that only 100 die in police encounters shows that such vents are extremely rare and don't support the hyperbolic claims that LEOs are determined to go out and murder black people.

That number also includes car crashes, accidental drownings, etc. The amount of police officers murdered on the job was ~50 in 2015.

**Asterios**

Prestor Jon wrote:
Asterios wrote:
Prestor Jon wrote:
Breotan wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
5) Police to adopt a proportional force directive. i.e. lethal force is only used after all other methods are exhausted. Obviously, If somebody starts shotting at a police officer, they have every right to shoot back, but pulling a gun should be a last resort.

This is nice, in theory. I abhor the militarization of the police. However, we do not live in a world where Andy Griffith type policing will work. The criminals here are often way too violent for that. There are plenty of videos on YouTube showing why police in the USA go for an approach of complete control over any situation. Anything less can often quickly result in the cop being killed. Then, on the other side, are the videos of police overreacting and causing harm and/or death to otherwise innocent people and not being held to account by the courts. This deepens the divide between the police and community and poisons a cooperative relationship leaving an adversarial one.

I was watching the news and a spokesperson for the Dallas police mentioned that their officers were trained in deescalation and that the Dallas department had the least number of shootings of any large city in America. Perhaps if that model spreads to other cities, we'll see less loss of innocent life, fewer riots, and a lessening of the hate that makes people act like assassins.

Violent crime has been decreasing for years now. The tragedy in Dallas not withstanding, it is still extremely rare for police officers to get shot at or to need to shoot anyone. The number of LEOs that die in the line of duty is extremely small given all the thousands of LEOs we have on the local, state and federal level. There is no data to support the practice of teaching cops to treat everyone they meet as a dangerous armed suspect plotting to kill them. That level of fear isn't a good motivator and greatly increases the likelihood of confrontations going wrong.

well lets look at last years statistics, of blacks killed by cops just over 100, of officers killed in the line of duty about 130 so while being a police officer is not the most dangerous job it is very stressful

There are over 1 million LEOs in the US so yeah, 130 is a tiny tiny fraction of the workforce. Being a cop isn't nearly dangerous enough to warrant the fearful confrontational attitude that gets taught to cops and condoned by departments. Likewise there are 40-45 million black people in the US so the fact that only 100 die in police encounters shows that such vents are extremely rare and don't support the hyperbolic claims that LEOs are determined to go out and murder black people.

I've always said every group has its A-Holes no matter what, and the use blanket accusations on the whole group because of a few is just wrong, just like you don't blame all blacks because you got mugged by a black person, but then the BLM is blaming all cops because some people got killed by a few cops, also the statistics I went by are a little scued where you look, according some sites as many as 1800 plus people were killed by cops, but those numbers also accounted for those in police custody and so forth including death by tasers and suicides and such. the number I showed I think is the most accurate of deaths by shooting of unarmed individuals and such.

**Prestor Jon**

Laughing Man wrote:
Prestor Jon wrote:
Asterios wrote:
Prestor Jon wrote:
Breotan wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
5) Police to adopt a proportional force directive. i.e. lethal force is only used after all other methods are exhausted. Obviously, If somebody starts shotting at a police officer, they have every right to shoot back, but pulling a gun should be a last resort.

This is nice, in theory. I abhor the militarization of the police. However, we do not live in a world where Andy Griffith type policing will work. The criminals here are often way too violent for that. There are plenty of videos on YouTube showing why police in the USA go for an approach of complete control over any situation. Anything less can often quickly result in the cop being killed. Then, on the other side, are the videos of police overreacting and causing harm and/or death to otherwise innocent people and not being held to account by the courts. This deepens the divide between the police and community and poisons a cooperative relationship leaving an adversarial one.

I was watching the news and a spokesperson for the Dallas police mentioned that their officers were trained in deescalation and that the Dallas department had the least number of shootings of any large city in America. Perhaps if that model spreads to other cities, we'll see less loss of innocent life, fewer riots, and a lessening of the hate that makes people act like assassins.

Violent crime has been decreasing for years now. The tragedy in Dallas not withstanding, it is still extremely rare for police officers to get shot at or to need to shoot anyone. The number of LEOs that die in the line of duty is extremely small given all the thousands of LEOs we have on the local, state and federal level. There is no data to support the practice of teaching cops to treat everyone they meet as a dangerous armed suspect plotting to kill them. That level of fear isn't a good motivator and greatly increases the likelihood of confrontations going wrong.

well lets look at last years statistics, of blacks killed by cops just over 100, of officers killed in the line of duty about 130 so while being a police officer is not the most dangerous job it is very stressful

There are over 1 million LEOs in the US so yeah, 130 is a tiny tiny fraction of the workforce. Being a cop isn't nearly dangerous enough to warrant the fearful confrontational attitude that gets taught to cops and condoned by departments. Likewise there are 40-45 million black people in the US so the fact that only 100 die in police encounters shows that such vents are extremely rare and don't support the hyperbolic claims that LEOs are determined to go out and murder black people.

That number also includes car crashes, accidental drownings, etc. The amount of police officers murdered on the job was ~50 in 2015.

Exactly, 99.9% of cops are going to get through a day on the job just fine. It's a stressful job, it has its dangers but there is no data that justifies an adversarial attitude from cops that looks at the populace as a threat.

**djones520**

The picture of the shooter, per Fox News.

**Kilkrazy**

CptJake wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:
CptJake wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:
Anyone else getting sick of it was a peacful movement until 11 people got shot? Then closely followed by there is so much hate so I can understand, this is going to turn into a race war......

You're jumping the gun.

There isn't any proven link with BLM. At the moment for all we know the shooters are white supremacists angry with the police for protecting black people.

No, we know at least one was a black guy who stated he wanted to kill white guys, especially but not only white cops.

Even so it is a huge leap to go from that to accuse BLM of being a crime group.

Much bigger leap to go the white supremacist route at this point, and yet you did.

I personally have not brought up BLM as responsible. Having said that, the pictures of Johnson kind of indicate he was at least sympathetic with the movement, and his statements indicate race was his motivating factor.

I did not.

As I did not know the one captured perpetrator was black, he could have been white. There was no.

Anyway, I replied to OgreChubbs not you.

**djones520**

Also reported he was an Army Reservist, for those postulating on if he had military training.

**Asterios**

Prestor Jon wrote:

Exactly, 99.9% of cops are going to get through a day on the job just fine. It's a stressful job, it has its dangers but there is no data that justifies an adversarial attitude from cops that looks at the populace as a threat.

then you have the situation which happened in Dallas which i'm sure calmed no officers nerves to say the least.

**redleger**

Smacks wrote:
Asterios wrote:
then tell me how would you make society better? you never answered that question? man is warlike by nature, we are not peaceful people and will fight one way or the other. so how do you stop our own nature?
Probably beyond the scope of this topic, but things like reducing poverty, reducing the rich/poor divide, increasing social mobility, investing in infrastructure and public services, policing, public health, mental health etc.. etc... And of course, not encouraging, glamorising, and endorsing violence.

all of those are fine aspirations, you will hear no argument from most that those are all things that need to happen. You are skirting away from the main question asked though. Since you seem to continue to want to go in this direction, I will ask the direct question, please give a direct answer. How do you recommend people protect themselves from those with no regard for the law, societal customs, regulations, and are ok with doing violence on soft and easy targets? Once again righteousness will not keep those people safe from the people who intend harm. Police can not keep you safe in your house in the middle of the night or even in the middle of the day. What is your solve all solution to protecting ones family. I know that you are not American and deal with different situations, and probably don't have to worry about the sex offender living down the road, but here it is a reality.

So whats the answer?

**CptJake**

Kilkrazy wrote:
CptJake wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:
CptJake wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:
Anyone else getting sick of it was a peacful movement until 11 people got shot? Then closely followed by there is so much hate so I can understand, this is going to turn into a race war......

You're jumping the gun.

There isn't any proven link with BLM. At the moment for all we know the shooters are white supremacists angry with the police for protecting black people.

No, we know at least one was a black guy who stated he wanted to kill white guys, especially but not only white cops.

Even so it is a huge leap to go from that to accuse BLM of being a crime group.

Much bigger leap to go the white supremacist route at this point, and yet you did.

I personally have not brought up BLM as responsible. Having said that, the pictures of Johnson kind of indicate he was at least sympathetic with the movement, and his statements indicate race was his motivating factor.

I did not.

As I did not know the one captured perpetrator was black, he could have been white. There was no.

Anyway, I replied to OgreChubbs not you.

The perp was IDed in the topic well before your post. Maybe you ought to read the topic before jumping the gun like that. Not sure the 'who you replied to' matters, you were off base.

**Frazzled**

redleger wrote:
Smacks wrote:
Asterios wrote:
then tell me how would you make society better? you never answered that question? man is warlike by nature, we are not peaceful people and will fight one way or the other. so how do you stop our own nature?
Probably beyond the scope of this topic, but things like reducing poverty, reducing the rich/poor divide, increasing social mobility, investing in infrastructure and public services, policing, public health, mental health etc.. etc... And of course, not encouraging, glamorising, and endorsing violence.

all of those are fine aspirations, you will hear no argument from most that those are all things that need to happen. You are skirting away from the main question asked though. Since you seem to continue to want to go in this direction, I will ask the direct question, please give a direct answer. How do you recommend people protect themselves from those with no regard for the law, societal customs, regulations, and are ok with doing violence on soft and easy targets? Once again righteousness will not keep those people safe from the people who intend harm. Police can not keep you safe in your house in the middle of the night or even in the middle of the day. What is your solve all solution to protecting ones family. I know that you are not American and deal with different situations, and probably don't have to worry about the sex offender living down the road, but here it is a reality.

So whats the answer?

Wiener dogs.