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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Bikers? So just a squad of Bikes with 10 DW pads? Deathwatch Capt w/Terminator Armour? What model would that be?

Probably this one:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Space-Marine-Terminator-Command-2016

Which would be nice for non-DW marine players too, as the model is not currently available independently.

I've not seen the sprue, but does this guy have a shoulder pad that can be replaced with a DW pad?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I've not seen the sprue, but does this guy have a shoulder pad that can be replaced with a DW pad]

Yes.

Yes, the left shoulder pad is separate. Would make sense but 15GBP? That's an okay price for a TDA model. I'M really surprised.

 Hanskrampf wrote:
Yes, the left shoulder pad is separate. Would make sense but 15GBP? That's an okay price for a TDA model. I'M really surprised.

Still eye wateringly expensive for mass market plastics. Here's Tyberios from Forgeworld. He's cast in labour intensive resin and is only £3 more than the plastic DW captain!

we haven't even spotted agemman being the termi cap rumored ... by all means it could be something completely new given the odds of an entire upgrade kit for one blister

btw thats 5 bikers in a kit

Huh I just realised that the generic SM bikers have been removed from the online store completely (was checking to see what the price difference was going to be).

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Huh I just realised that the generic SM bikers have been removed from the online store completely (was checking to see what the price difference was going to be).

*tinfoil hat*

New biker kit?

My main question is: how are these "kill teams" really going to function? it is actually an advantage to have termies in with your shooty (or assaulty) veterans? what about bikes... i mean, they'll make coherency easy, but.. do they jink shooting attacks for their unit? who fires at full BS still? "sternguard" deepstriking sounds good to me... is that the major benefit of the formation? sounds like you'll be "UM-like" with doctrines... except they don't expire and they're directed at certain FOC slots

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Huh I just realised that the generic SM bikers have been removed from the online store completely (was checking to see what the price difference was going to be).

A local trader still has them listetd. Normally they give 20% discount so GW price should have been 30€ (for 3) - can't tell what that's supposed to be in US or Australian $.

Maybe. A repack is more likely, unfortunately.

Anyway it seems that the bikes will be a 66% increase in cost over the old kit... which makes sense if it's going from a 3-man set to a 5-man set.

Pretty good since it'll likely contain the DW upgrade sprue, too (since they're referred to as Deathwatch Bikers).

A man can dream that they'd put some special weapons in there too, right?

 jgfield79 wrote:
My main question is: how are these "kill teams" really going to function? it is actually an advantage to have termies in with your shooty (or assaulty) veterans? what about bikes... i mean, they'll make coherency easy, but.. do they jink shooting attacks for their unit? who fires at full BS still? "sternguard" deepstriking sounds good to me... is that the major benefit of the formation? sounds like you'll be "UM-like" with doctrines... except they don't expire and they're directed at certain FOC slots

I guess the simple answer would be that nobody knows yet - until people figure out what works and what doesnt. At first, all these possibilities seem endless. 1 bike per squad to allow other units to deep strike near by, jink incoming shots, give split fire rule to the unit. Terminators in a squad for even more heavy weapons, 2+/5++ tanking. With mission tactics and various kill teams you'll basically have TL weapons and re-roll all To Wounds rolls for everyone.

Only jinked model snap shots.


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In addition, hopefully the Deathwatch upgrade sprues mean something unique or new for Landraider / Razorback / Rhino loadouts as well. Although luchiban didnt mention anything..

I like these prices. Either the same or cheaper than previous prices with a deathwatch sprue thrown in. They seem to be following the practice establsihed with AOS. Essentially a cheaper per model price without actually decreasing prices.
Is that kill team Cassius all the minis from the board game?
If so it is a reasonable price for what are basically 11 character models.

I can see adding a Termie or two to a squad via that formation being worthwhile in the same way you'd use an Artificer Armour sergeant in HH, to stick a 2+ save up front. For example, a 5-man Veteran squad with a few Frag Cannons, plus a Termie with an Assault Cannon or Cyclone, gains a big bump in durability vs small arms and some serious firepower, not to mention a re-roll against Troops or HS depending on the KT you choose. I can't see it being as useful for offensive units as it would close off Sweeping Advance for the whole squad, but more defensively I think there's some mileage in it.

Alternatively, you could do the inverse, a bunch of cheaper Veterans up front to act as meat shields for the Termies behind, kind of like BT Initiates and Neophytes. Give the Termies Fists and the Vets at-initiative weapons, and you've got a neat one-two punch unit, the Vets hitting first, soaking the incoming return hits and the Termies piling in for the kill.

The bikes I'm less sure of, the only thing I can think of would be to extend your overall movement range a bit if you really need to reach out to an objective in the late game, but that's situational at best and relies on the bike being kept alive.

I can actually see one of the more useful combinations being the simple Deathwatch/Vanguard combos, to get Heavy Thunder Hammers, Xenoblades or even the Assault HB/HF into a Vanguard squad. Stick that in a drop pod and you can build a nice all-rounder unit that might work nicely as an allied detachment.

True.. the thought had entered my mind that it would be nice to have a unit that's truly good at both shooting and CC, having the veteran statline and all. My sternguard (w/ Pedro nearby) have been known to pull out surprising charges w/ 4 attacks each on the charge to finish a unit off

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Just realized something with the Harlequins stuff. Eldrad is stuck footslogging unless you add in some Eldar formations. Just another happy side effect of the Battle Brothers transports limitations. Poor guy. I almost feel bad about the fact my Culexus would rip him apart.

Seriously, where are those Deathwatch data sheets?!

They're all foot slogging, or have you not noticed the complete lack of options for dedicated transports? That will apply to the Deathwatch units in the box as well.

We've not seen the upgrade sprue yet have we?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
We've not seen the upgrade sprue yet have we?

correct, but its contents were revealed several pages back. Ten shoulder pauldrons, two Terminator shoulder pauldrons, one power sword, and three Inquisition icons.

There is probably a vehicle upgrade sprue inbound too, though.

 Imateria wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Just realized something with the Harlequins stuff. Eldrad is stuck footslogging unless you add in some Eldar formations. Just another happy side effect of the Battle Brothers transports limitations. Poor guy. I almost feel bad about the fact my Culexus would rip him apart.

Seriously, where are those Deathwatch data sheets?!

They're all foot slogging, or have you not noticed the complete lack of options for dedicated transports? That will apply to the Deathwatch units in the box as well.

Well eldrad does give units in his army scout as his warlord trait as well.
Plus the troupes can either move run shoot or move run charge with fleet/crusader they are kinda built to footsloggin.
However I see this as a formation tied to another harlequin detschment regardless.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
We've not seen the upgrade sprue yet have we?

correct, but its contents were revealed several pages back. Ten shoulder pauldrons, two Terminator shoulder pauldrons, one power sword, and three Inquisition icons.

There is probably a vehicle upgrade sprue inbound too, though.

Only 2 terminator shoulder pads? Kinda annoying.

Zwan1One wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
We've not seen the upgrade sprue yet have we?

correct, but its contents were revealed several pages back. Ten shoulder pauldrons, two Terminator shoulder pauldrons, one power sword, and three Inquisition icons.

There is probably a vehicle upgrade sprue inbound too, though.

Only 2 terminator shoulder pads? Kinda annoying.

Yeah, but at least the Terminator boxes come with one anyway.

Zwan1One wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
We've not seen the upgrade sprue yet have we?

correct, but its contents were revealed several pages back. Ten shoulder pauldrons, two Terminator shoulder pauldrons, one power sword, and three Inquisition icons.

There is probably a vehicle upgrade sprue inbound too, though.

Only 2 terminator shoulder pads? Kinda annoying.

If they're bundling the upgrade sprue with everything it should be easy to pick up spares. Terminator pads might be a bit more in demand but it looks as if there'll be plenty about.

So, has anybody tried downloading the digital codex: Deathwatch from Black Library's website? I remember when the tau book was updated, you could download it while it was still labeled as "preorder" on the BL site.

 Crimson wrote:
From B&C

Wraithwing wrote:
HOW TO PAINT: DEATHWATCH (ENGLISH) 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £6.00
DEATHWATCH KILL TEAM CASSIUS 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £40.00
DEATHWATCH WATCH CAPTAIN 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £15.00
DEATHWATCH BIKERS 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £35.00
DEATHWATCH LAND RAIDER 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £48.00
DEATHWATCH TRANSPORT 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £25.00
DEATHWATCH WATCH CAPT./TERMINATOR ARMOUR 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £15.00

Apparently these are existing kits with a DW upgrade sprue. But those characters make me wonder, they're cheaper than the existing character models, so it would be super weird for GW to repack an old model with extra bits and lower the price.

I'm confused as to what the "Deathwatch Transport" is, at least at the 25 GBP price point.

I really hope that the "deathwatch transport" is the new blackstar. If it is, ill take 3. I was looking at it being closer to the dark angels flier in price as pure speculation.

It could be the new value rhino kit? I also find it odd that a price for the flyer hasn't popped up. Does that imply 3weeks of releases?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
From B&C

Wraithwing wrote:
HOW TO PAINT: DEATHWATCH (ENGLISH) 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £6.00
DEATHWATCH KILL TEAM CASSIUS 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £40.00
DEATHWATCH WATCH CAPTAIN 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £15.00
DEATHWATCH BIKERS 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £35.00
DEATHWATCH LAND RAIDER 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £48.00
DEATHWATCH TRANSPORT 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £25.00
DEATHWATCH WATCH CAPT./TERMINATOR ARMOUR 20/08/2016 Deathwatch £15.00

Apparently these are existing kits with a DW upgrade sprue. But those characters make me wonder, they're cheaper than the existing character models, so it would be super weird for GW to repack an old model with extra bits and lower the price.

I'm confused as to what the "Deathwatch Transport" is, at least at the 25 GBP price point.

Probably a Rhino, maybe a Razorback, with upgrade sprue.

Bikes confer ignore dangerous terrain and Split Fire to their unit, twin-link their bolter, have Hammer of Wrath, can potentially Jink-tank, oh and reposition around the unit and extend its footprint - all for 8 points more than a stock Veteran.

Vanguard Vets confer reroll of one or both dice on the charge, and ignore the disordered charge penalty, plus repositioning shenanigans if they take a jump pack.