[40k] Death Masque Starter/Boxed Set & Deathwatch Codex - Pics, luchiban's info, NEW pics in OP

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**Verviedi**

Gamgee wrote:
Verviedi wrote:
Gamgee wrote:
I hope we'll see the next Tau titan by then which will be bigger. The one of equivalence to the raver class. We know its coming in lore, we just don't know when IRL.

Edit
All forces and factions likely need to fight Necrons due to their awakening.

Please, no. The Supremacy is already a complete breach of common sense. I'd rather have a giant hover tank like the Planetary Annihilation Atlas Titan.

Why not both?

Because Games Workshop would never do it, and hoping for both will likely get you a Transformer.

**Gamgee**

Well allegedly they are looking into a super heavy tank design and we know the Ta'unar sold like hot cakes. The New Brrracuda reception went over really well (not Taunar well) but great.

So I think its a possibility we might see both at some point. Definitely the next titan though since they have a lore and financial reason to do it.

**MajorWesJanson**

shade1313 wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
So Atia posted an image that shows the current setup of the Watch Companies.

Interesting. Of what's in the picture, there's a good spread of chapters represented in the watch captains and sergeants. 2 each Imperial Fists, Space Wolves, Ultramarines, three Blood Angels.

It's this sort of thing, plus what looks like 100-200+ personnel for a typical Watch Fortress and who knows how many in Watch Stations, that makes me wonder just how many members from a typical chapter are farmed out to DW at any particular time. Which chapters send higher numbers? Which send as few as possible or none at all? How many of any one chapter are you likely to have at a given Watch Fortress, or even within a kill team?

All sorts of interesting questions.

Farming out captains and other members to the deathwatch could both be a loophole around chapter size restrictions and solve.some continuity issues with say captain Titus vs sicarius as 2nd captain- one is seconded to the deathwatch for most the time. Titus came back as 2nd captain in space marine while sicarius was wounded or because that mission was against orks so his expertise was wanted

**H.B.M.C.**

Crimson wrote:
Would also prohibit dual-wielding pistols, but it is impractically expensive in any case.

That reminds me. I have a Howling Griffon DW Marine who is duel-wielding Grav Pisotls.

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Fluffwise, it makes perfect sense for the DW to be carrying Shotguns and Boltguns

No one is arguing fluff. We're arguing that this is an unintentional part of the rules that made it to print because the people writing it never thought about it.

Mr_Rose wrote:
It's trying to tell you that Riker was right and you have to decompress the shuttlebay to save the ship.

That's a deep-dish obscure reference man, but yeah, don't use the tractor beam.

Also, Kiwiland Pre-Orders are up:

DW Land Raider (comes in all three flavours):

DW Transport (might be the most mundanely named thing GW has ever released - again, comes in both flavours):

DW Commander (it's the old commander box, as we knew, but he does come with the upgrade sprue, like the two kits above, so if you're desperate for TONS of spare DW pads, this guy is your... err... guy!):

DW Commander w/Terminator Armour (as people though, it is the mostly-unavailable Termy Captain, and he comes with a whole upgrade sprue. I'm very happy about this one, as the model is ace):

DW Bundle ala 'Buy all our playsets and toys!':

Kill Team Cassius - For those of you that don't want to buy all their playsets and toys, you can just get the Overkill Marines. Remember that this is literally the only source of the DW Meltafist bit.

There... are... five... bikes!!!:

**tetrisphreak**

One. One freakin stalker bolt gun in the deathwatch vet Sprue. And 2 shotguns...grrrrr.

**Nova_Impero**

Looks like I'm buying more Space Marines.

**Selym**

So. Anyone heading to a GW for release day?

**H.B.M.C.**

tetrisphreak wrote:
One freakin stalker bolt gun in the deathwatch vet Sprue.

And it's one of those 'reloading' guns, so it's not even just a decent bolter.

**tetrisphreak**

Think anyone would protest using the scoped bolters as stalker patterns and unscoped as standard kit?

**casvalremdeikun**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
tetrisphreak wrote:
One freakin stalker bolt gun in the deathwatch vet Sprue.
And it's one of those 'reloading' guns, so it's not even just a decent bolter.

Just cut a magazine off of your probably 5000 extra boltguns and graft it to the bottom and get him a proper hand for the other arm.

It looks like the upgrade sprue is going to be easy to come by. I will get a DW Captain to make my own dude in case I want to use someone other than Artemis. I really like that head!

**conker249**

I am excited about the terminator Sgt. But I am holding back ordering until that awesome flyer and watch master comes out. I just want all the releases to be faster. This must have been how the ork players felt with their longer wait between releases this last codex.

**tetrisphreak**

So here's the terminator captain from the start collecting (plus dwatch pad from upgrade Sprue), captain Artemis, and a jump captain wielding a xenophase blade that I made.

**shade1313**

Neat that the Termie commander is coming out for sale by himself. Clearly, the upgrade sprue isn't going to be hard to come by. Having had a look at the meltafist in the DW:OK box, it looks really easy to convert, although you don't get the nifty molded in litany and crux.

I really hope they release the decal sheet from the Watch Fortress edition separately.

**BaronVonSnakPak**

Have to admit that I'm sad that the bikers are literally just a standard biker box with a DW upgrade sprue. It would have been nice to get some DW bling on the bikes, ala Overkill.

At least there are 5 bikers in a box, and not 3...

**thedrag0n22**

tetrisphreak wrote:
So here's the terminator captain from the start collecting (plus dwatch pad from upgrade Sprue), captain Artemis, and a jump captain wielding a xenophase blade that I made.

If I may ask, where are those bases from? they look like they're molded with designs?

**conker249**

thedrag0n22 wrote:
tetrisphreak wrote:
So here's the terminator captain from the start collecting (plus dwatch pad from upgrade Sprue), captain Artemis, and a jump captain wielding a xenophase blade that I made.

If I may ask, where are those bases from? they look like they're molded with designs?

They look to be the new Citadel bases. The Terminator captain is on top of one as well from what I can see

**shade1313**

I get a little chuckle from the crewman (crewmarine?) sticking out of the top hatch of the Rhino. Due to the Mechanicus symbol on his right shoulder, there's no indication of what chapter he came from.

**cuda1179**

How many models do you suppose the average Deathwatch army will be at 1500 and 2000 points?

I'm going to guess that the average 2000 point army will be 30 to 35 models.

**H.B.M.C.**

BaronVonSnakPak wrote:
Have to admit that I'm sad that the bikers are literally just a standard biker box with a DW upgrade sprue. It would have been nice to get some DW bling on the bikes, ala Overkill.

At least there are 5 bikers in a box, and not 3...

This release is a good release, but it does highlight a bunch of missed opportunities. A actual Deathwatch Bike and Terminator kit, rather than just regular kits with the upgrade sprue, would have been fantastic, even if the bikes were just 3 models. Imagine a Terminator frame that contains 10+ Chapter icon pads, in addition to the fancy new weapons they could have given DW Termies (I dream of a day when there is a Termy-mounted Multi-Melta).

Same goes for the bikes - fancy mounted combi-weapons, unique HTH weapons, and even more Chapter pads.

[EDIT]: Some more cool new artwork.

A bet the Marine with the Stormshield is thinking "Thank the Emperor I'm not wearing Terminator armour and leading this group, otherwise I wouldn't be able to bring this shield with me for some reason!".

**Talys**

I received my Death Masque set today. Holy crap, the crispness of the detail on the bits are amazing. I think these may be the nicest space marine parts ever.

A couple of things that I was immediately drawn to include the awesome combi weapons, awesome new back halves of the upper torso that include belt weapons sculpted in, incredibly tiny writing everywhere (with make-me-happy words on shoulder pads like CALTH and BADDAB), and some freaking awesome shields. The maces caught my eyes right away too.

Also, when you pop open the box, it seems like there are sprues everywyere; partly, this is because the pieces aren't all box-sized sprues. But that made me smile too

Incidentally, the photo of the bikes in the codex have an inquisition mark down the center, and Deathwatch markings (text) on the sides. This doesn't appear on the bike shot above (which just look like normal bikes).

Spoiler:

Edit: spoiler tagged image, please ignore - HBMC is totally right, below. Bike pictured in codex is from Overkill (duh).

**H.B.M.C.**

That bike entry seems to indicate that they can't take any special weapons... hmm...

Talys wrote:
Incidentally, the photo of the bikes in the codex have an inquisition mark down the center, and Deathwatch markings (text) on the sides. This doesn't appear on the bike shot above (which just look like normal bikes).

1. 'Cause they are normal bikes.
2. That bike you posted is the special White Scar one from the Overkill box. It is unique.

**Talys**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Talys wrote:
Incidentally, the photo of the bikes in the codex have an inquisition mark down the center, and Deathwatch markings (text) on the sides. This doesn't appear on the bike shot above (which just look like normal bikes).
1. 'Cause they are normal bikes.
2. That bike you posted is the special White Scar one from the Overkill box. It is unique.

Ahhhh DUH. You're right, of course, ty

I haven't gotten around to painting my Overkill box yet (long, long ways from there...). But hey. They should make DW bikes!

**tetrisphreak**

thedrag0n22 wrote:
tetrisphreak wrote:
So here's the terminator captain from the start collecting (plus dwatch pad from upgrade Sprue), captain Artemis, and a jump captain wielding a xenophase blade that I made.

If I may ask, where are those bases from? they look like they're molded with designs?

The citadel sector imperialis bases. $33 for 60 bases in 32mm and $33 for 40 25mm and 20 40mm. I love em.

cuda1179 wrote:How many models do you suppose the average Deathwatch army will be at 1500 and 2000 points?

I'm going to guess that the average 2000 point army will be 30 to 35 models.

Based on characters and loadouts, and counting transports etc it's around 30 models at 1500 and 45 at 2000. A basic kill team with decent wargear is 200-500 points.

**angelofvengeance**

The fairings on Suberei's bike are a separate bit, so it'd be pretty easy to convert some blinged up DW bikes.

**FabricatorGeneralMike**

Spoiler:

1 Kind of expected for the LR, rhino and the Razorback

2 I LOVED that commander box, it was one of the best sets GW had put out in a long while...nice to get the upgrade sprue for it.

3 Never seen the Termie kit before...kinda cool I guess...and another DW sprue bonus points.

TY for the posts and pics HBMC...

Now...I have to make a kill team that has a Death Spectre Librarian leading it, Raven Guard with lightening claws, a Imperial Fist with combi-heavy bolter, a Ultramarine and a Exorcist.... Maybe ill call them Talon Squad cause that sounds cool right

**H.B.M.C.**

MOAR ART!

Is it just me or do those Marines have the beginnings of the word "Warhammer" on their DW pads?

**MajorWesJanson**

Is it just me, or are the proportions different on the Deathwatch marines from other ones?

I've been assembling the ones from from Death Masque, and the legs come up to mid chest on a calth marine, while the hips are out a lot wider (implying either very narrow waists or painful things happening to their hips) and the heads are more narrow and tall (partially to fit in the mk VIII armor necks, but makes it feel odd compared to traditional marine proportions.

The legs alone I can see being the basis of a lot of Truescale conversions.

**Gamgee**

Excellent artwork.

**H.B.M.C.**

Even MOAR art!

Again I get worried about the "Our artists are only allowed to paint the things we sell!" issue, as there's a guy with a Stalker-Pattern bolter here, and guess what? He is reloading, just like the mini would be.

**Crimson**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
Is it just me, or are the proportions different on the Deathwatch marines from other ones?

I've been assembling the ones from from Death Masque, and the legs come up to mid chest on a calth marine, while the hips are out a lot wider (implying either very narrow waists or painful things happening to their hips) and the heads are more narrow and tall (partially to fit in the mk VIII armor necks, but makes it feel odd compared to traditional marine proportions

Any chance of any comparison pictures?