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Eh, I was looking to make a breacher team with meltagun and SS combo. Or, duo...

One of each handing eh? That was nice of them. Usually, you're just stuck with one or t'other.

I think the maces are one of each too, duel wielding power maces!

That would make for a particularly smite-y Deathwatch marine! Though the award goes to the 2 handed thunder hammer for that one lol.

I fixed my team. My personal "either everyone has boltguns or no-one has boltguns" issue has been rectified:

Aquila Kill-Team [415 pts]

Librarian w/Terminator Armour, ML2, Force Axe [115 pts]

Veterans [235 pts]
-Watch Sergeant w/Meltagun, Storm Shield
-Veteran w/Deathwatch Frag Cannon
-Veteran w/Heavy Thunder Hammer, Black Shield
-Veteran w/Deathwatch Shotgun
-Veteran w/Deathwatch Shotgun
-Drop Pod

Terminator w/Assault Cannon, Chainfist [65 pts]

#SmackDatAlienMenace

 Selym wrote:
With any luck, I'll be able to convince some people to stay in 7E. No way in hell am I buying 8E.

7th is an overloaded crap ruleset. However unless things drastically change no codex is obsolete, especially since a lot of things are already changing for the inevitable 8th. Dreadnauts getting more atks, heavy bolters being assault 3.

A special HB is getting Assault 3. In the same codex, there is the normal Heavy 3 HB.

 russian69hitman wrote:
I foresee 54mm Inquisitor Scale returning in the near future.

I'd like to see Covenant return in 40k 28mm scale though.... All those oldies a matter of fact.

I don't I foresee 28mm inqusitor as another box game so they can sell more models in a box set game and then sell it again in 40k.
That's the pattern.

**Edit: Aww.. Nm.

 Selym wrote:
A special HB is getting Assault 3. In the same codex, there is the normal Heavy 3 HB.

And you don't think like grav this won't be given out beyond this codex in the future?
Good luck with that

gungo wrote:

 Selym wrote:
A special HB is getting Assault 3. In the same codex, there is the normal Heavy 3 HB.

And you don't think like grav this won't be given out beyond this codex in the future?
Good luck with that

It probably won't seeing as DW have special stuff anyway. Plus it's not like they just gave grav to everyone. They gave it to SM and gave the rest scraps because we aren't the favourites.

gungo wrote:

 Selym wrote:
A special HB is getting Assault 3. In the same codex, there is the normal Heavy 3 HB.

And you don't think like grav this won't be given out beyond this codex in the future?
Good luck with that

Infernus Heavy Bolter:

"The Deathwatch mag-clamp rare suspensor disks onto their infernus heavy bolters that reduce the weapon's effective weight considerably."

All SM codexes get their special kit. This is the DW allotment.

 Leth wrote:

 Bulldogging wrote:

 Leth wrote:
In regards to the swapping of equipment I always go with the interpretation that if there is no stated order of operations then you can do which ever.

If it does not say that you have to upgrade to a blackshield first then you can swap to a thunderhammer and then change to a black shield.

Then for things like terminators where you are required to swap specific gear if you do weapon swaps before hand then you no longer meet the requirements.

So on and so forth.

That's how I thought it was.

The SM FAQ says that we can't do that though.

What do you mean? It specifically says the opposite. You can buy stuff then upgrade.

Spoiler:

Read the written rules don't use the picture.......

gungo wrote:

 Selym wrote:
A special HB is getting Assault 3. In the same codex, there is the normal Heavy 3 HB.

And you don't think like grav this won't be given out beyond this codex in the future?
Good luck with that

Well since deathwatch can only have lascannons on Razorbacks, land raiders, or dreadnoughts I'd say there is evidence for some man-portable weaponry to remain codex specific. Also no access to grav cannons, just guns or pistols.

 Selym wrote:

gungo wrote:

 Selym wrote:
A special HB is getting Assault 3. In the same codex, there is the normal Heavy 3 HB.

And you don't think like grav this won't be given out beyond this codex in the future?
Good luck with that

Infernus Heavy Bolter:

"The Deathwatch mag-clamp rare suspensor disks onto their infernus heavy bolters that reduce the weapon's effective weight considerably."

All SM codexes get their special kit. This is the DW allotment.

Seriously have you ever played 40k?
Go look at all the weapons and vehicles that were originally chapter exclusive that get moved into other codexs the next edition. That list is huge because almost no weapon in 40k stays exclusive. Your exclusive is the flyer which I fully expect to also see in the inqusitor codex in 8th.
Ffs the custodes spear was suppose to ONLY be on custodes.....

gungo wrote:

 russian69hitman wrote:
I foresee 54mm Inquisitor Scale returning in the near future.

I'd like to see Covenant return in 40k 28mm scale though.... All those oldies a matter of fact.

I don't I foresee 28mm inqusitor as another box game so they can sell more models in a box set game and then sell it again in 40k.
That's the pattern.

Let's be honest, 56mm scale was cool. But making scenery for it was a nightmare. My brother and I would frequently end up playing on a pretty dull table for it. And metal models (in my opinion at least) were (and are) a huge pain in the bum.

28mm Inquisitor would be a lot of fun, I think. 28mm Eisenhorn would look amazing with the greatcoat and power sword etc.


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 tetrisphreak wrote:


Well since deathwatch can only have lascannons or Razorbacks, land raiders, or dreadnoughts I'd say there is evidence for some man-portable weaponry to remain codex specific. Also no access to grav cannons, just guns or pistols.

I suppose the only exception to that would be the Command LR from Warhammer World. They will undoubtedly be able to use that grav cannon.

gungo wrote:

 Selym wrote:

gungo wrote:

 Selym wrote:
A special HB is getting Assault 3. In the same codex, there is the normal Heavy 3 HB.

And you don't think like grav this won't be given out beyond this codex in the future?
Good luck with that

Infernus Heavy Bolter:

"The Deathwatch mag-clamp rare suspensor disks onto their infernus heavy bolters that reduce the weapon's effective weight considerably."

All SM codexes get their special kit. This is the DW allotment.

Seriously have you ever played 40k?
Go look at all the weapons and vehicles that were originally chapter exclusive that get moved into other codexs the next edition. That list is huge because almost no weapon in 40k stays exclusive. Your exclusive is the flyer which I fully expect to also see in the inqusitor codex in 8th.
Ffs the custodes spear was suppose to ONLY be on custodes.....

Played 40k since 2007 m8. Stop panicking. Gak's already fethed.

I love how there's all this doomsaying about 8th, despite there being literally zero hard evidence as to what will come to pass. The only real clue we have about it is, that they're moving the story on a little. That's it. Can we unpucker our sphincters now, please?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I love how there's all this doomsaying about 8th, despite there being literally zero hard evidence as to what will come to pass. The only real clue we have about it is, that they're moving the story on a little. That's it. Can we unpucker our sphincters now, please?

Keep the points costs and missions, but make the gameplay more similar to age of sigmar and you'll have a superb scifi war game that's easy to learn, difficult to master, and affordable to start. Yes I want free rules for every miniature and free base rules.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Was going to say, is there a novel that ties into this a la DW:Overkill?

Yes.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
I love how there's all this doomsaying about 8th, despite there being literally zero hard evidence as to what will come to pass. The only real clue we have about it is, that they're moving the story on a little. That's it. Can we unpucker our sphincters now, please?

There is no panick about it however weapon/vehicle exclusives don't last long in 40k.
There is a massive list of weapons that started out as exclusives to one chapter that is now available to all.
Something as silly as suspensors that make heavy bolters assault 3 isn't going to stay exclusive for long.
And quite frankly heavy bolters can use the upgrade.

Thing is, Deathwatch have had Assault style heavy bolsters since the beginning, way back towards the end of second edition. They haven't cut across to other chapters in all that time so why now?

I think the DW will keep a lot of its unique stuff in it. It has to stand out. Imagine if all the chapters started using Grey Knight armor and weapons/schemes. It would look stupid. it takes away what makes them unique.

I would be annoyed if they go and start handing those out to every chapter.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
They are certainly taller, here is a pic Crimson:

Vanguard Vet/ Betrayal At Calth Marine and Deathwatch Kill Team member:



And a blurry one, but you get the idea:

Well there goes my Thousand Sons blackshield idea considering the size problem

In a mixed force the size difference isn't really noticeable. This is the contents of overkill and death masque plus standard tacticals kitted out with dw gear and insignias.

migooo wrote:

Well there goes my Thousand Sons blackshield idea considering the size problem

Not really a problem. They're just not squatting as much, like the dozen other SM models in the range. Plus, in the background fluff, everyone reacts differently to the enhancements when they become Astartes. A bit of variety in your marines wouldn't do any harm.

 Gamgee wrote:
I think the DW will keep a lot of its unique stuff in it. It has to stand out. Imagine if all the chapters started using Grey Knight armor and weapons/schemes. It would look stupid. it takes away what makes them unique.

I would be annoyed if they go and start handing those out to every chapter.

there is very little that is unique to grey knights anymore except the baby carriage. Heck even sanctic powers are available to all....psyflame ammunition or condemnor bolts yup available to other factions as well.
Oh look the stormraven gunship heck even in the lore it was grey knight only guess who else got it in 6th ......everyone.....
Thanks for the perfect example of what I meant...

Well I hope that gutting doesn't happen to DW.

 Gamgee wrote:
Well I hope that gutting doesn't happen to DW.

Well the stormraven gunship released as a greyknights exclusive and now everyone has one when the first death from skies was released...
And honestly suspenders for heavy bolters isn't exactly a relic item...it might be rare but no more rare than the ancient power weapons which is so rare every ogryn, sergeant, and marine can buy one now.

The corvus will likely stay Exclusive to death watch only because it has inqusitor symbols all over but even then I expect it to be utilized by the inqusition as well, but technically they should have access to everything.

We have a very liberal idea of everyone seeing as everyone seems to be Space Marines and that's it.

Since when were power weapons relics....