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Spoiler:
Attkisson Tarnished Her Reputation With Shoddy Reporting
Politico: Before Attkisson Left CBS, Network Executives Said She Was "Wading Dangerously Close To Advocacy" In Benghazi "Campaign." In May 2013, Politico reported that CBS News "has grown increasingly frustrated with Attkisson's Benghazi campaign." According to Politico, "CBS News executives see Attkisson wading dangerously close to advocacy on the issue, network sources have told POLITICO. Attkisson can't get some of her stories on the air, and is thus left feeling marginalized and underutilized." Attkisson left CBS in March 2014. [Politico, 5/8/13; Media Matters, 3/10/14]
Wash. Post: Attkisson Has Been "Widely Criticized Within Medical-Research Circles" For Pushing The Debunked Link Between Vaccines And Autism. The Washington Post reported:
Some of Attkisson's most controversial reporting hasn't been about politics at all. She has been widely criticized within medical-research circles for a series starting in 2002 about research linking childhood vaccinations to the rise in autism. The stories have been denounced in some circles as "fear-mongering." Attkisson is, typically, unbowed: "I stand behind it," she says. "It's some of the best work I've ever done. My only regret is that we haven't done more." [The Washington Post, 5/7/13]
Attkisson Pushed Error-Ridden Report On "New Solyndras." A January 2012 CBS' This Morning exclusive investigative report by Attkisson about government waste purported to identify 12 clean energy companies, including Solyndra, that she claimed were "having trouble" or had "filed for bankruptcy" after receiving a total of $6.5 billion in federal assistance. But several of the clean energy companies Attkisson mentioned never received federal funding or were incorrectly linked to the assistance in question. [Media Matters, 1/13/12; Media Matters, 1/18/12]
Attkisson Pushed Inaccurate Healthcare.gov Claims Based On "Partial" Information Likely Leaked By House Republicans. Attkisson aired an "exclusive" CBS report in November 2013 -- based on what she acknowledged were selectively-leaked, partial transcripts -- claiming that the "project manager in charge of building the federal health care website was apparently kept in the dark about serious failures in the website's security." Those security failures supposedly compromised Americans' personal information. However, contrary to Attkisson's misleading report, the memo in question discussed a part of the website not in use, which did not deal with personally identifiable information. [Media Matters, 11/13/13; Media Matters, 11/12/13]
After Leaving CBS, Attkisson Published A Book Full Of Conservative Myths. After she resigned from CBS News, Attkisson released Stonewalled, a book designed to document how she tried to work as a nonpartisan journalist but was stymied by the Obama administration and her CBS bosses. However, the book's sloppy inaccuracies and absent context simply reinforced her image as a journalist more interested in a biased narrative than uncovering the facts. [Media Matters, 11/2/14]
Attkisson Couldn't Find A 2012 Photo Of Obama From The Night Of Benghazi. In Stonewalled, Attkisson narrates a moment in November 2012 when she attempted to find a photograph of President Obama on the night of the Benghazi attacks as a way to account for his "actions that night," suggesting the White House wasn't being forthright about the president's whereabouts, which she characterizes as suspicious and politically motivated. A photo of the president in the Oval Office taken the night of the attacks has been available on the public White House Flickr account since October 11, 2012, three weeks before Attkisson claims she started looking for a photo. [Media Matters, 11/2/14]
Attkisson's Sloppy Reporting Has Already Plagued Her Other Employer, The Daily Signal. After leaving CBS, Attkisson has worked as a reporter for the Heritage Foundation's Daily Signal (where she will continue while hosting her Sinclair TV show). In a January report for The Daily Signal, she claimed she had uncovered a Benghazi "bombshell," alleging that a former State Department employee was told to scrub and destroy State Department documents that included anything that might put the department's leadership "in a bad light," before the documents were sent to an investigator. But it was subsequently revealed that the supposed witness had changed his testimony, and that a second eyewitness, meant to corroborate the story, in fact dismantled it, telling Congress "he never engaged or was aware of any destruction of documents." [Media Matters, 1/27/15]
Attkisson Has Pushed A Bizarre, Confused Conspiracy Theory That The Government Hacked Her Electronics
Attkisson Claimed Her Personal Apple Laptop, Personal Apple Desktop, And A CBS News-Issued Toshiba Laptop Had Been Hacked By The Government. Attkisson's Stonewalled documents her many problems with her electronics, and claimed that several of her computers had been hacked as part of a federal effort to monitor her because, supposedly, she did reporting critical of the Obama administration. In June 2013, CBS News confirmed that the CBS News computer was breached, using what the network said were "sophisticated" methods. They did not identify the party or parties behind the breach. Attkisson wrote in Stonewalled that she subsequently gave her "personal Apple desktop iMac computer" to the Department of Justice's Office of the Inspector General for review, claiming that she believed a government agency was monitoring it. She is now in the midst of a lawsuit accusing the federal government of conducting surveillance on her machines and violating the Fourth Amendment. [Media Matters, 2/5/15; Variety, 9/30/15]
Television, Telephone, And House Alarm May Have Also Been Affected By Hack, She Claimed. In Stonewalled, Attkisson highlighted a warning from a friend who told her that the government is likely monitoring her due to her reporting on the Benghazi attacks. Attkisson wrote that the "warning sheds new light on all the trouble I've been having with my phones and computers." She details a variety of ongoing technology problems she experienced at her home starting in the autumn of 2012, including strange sounds on her telephone (which unnamed sources tell her may be tapped), a television that "spontaneously jitters, mutes, and freeze-frames," a house alarm that repeatedly goes off at night, and a mysterious fiber optics cable cord that appears behind her house. Her Verizon FiOS system controls her internet, phone, and home security systems, which Attkisson suggests links these electronic malfunctions to her computer problems. [Media Matters, 11/4/14]
But Attkisson's Hacking Story Kept Changing, Including Her Changing Her Mind About Who Did It. First, Attkisson claimed in Stonewalled that not only was she sure the government was hacking her, she knew the name of the individual responsible: "I make contact with an excellent source who has crucial information: the name of the person responsible for my computer intrusions. He provides me the name and I recognize it." But when her story began to be questioned by various media outlets, Attkisson reversed course, instead claiming "The forensics says that there was a government tie to this, because there was, as one of them said, proprietary software to one of the four federal government agencies. Doesn't mean I know who was on the other end or was it an organization or was it a person, a rogue person, I don't have the answer to those questions." Attkisson also changed her mind about whether her television and phone were related to the hacking, and whether her personal computers were ever hacked at all. [Media Matters, 11/5/14; Media Matters, 11/4/14; Media Matters, 2/5/15]
Attkisson's Video Of Her Purported Hacking Was Likely Just A Stuck Backspace Key, According To Security Experts. At one point, Attkisson released a short video showing an "apparent hack" of her Apple laptop. But computer security experts who watched the video told Media Matters that it seemed to show the results of a stuck backspace key rather than hacking. [Media Matters, 10/31/14]
A Federal Investigation Found No Evidence Attkisson's Personal Computer Was Hacked. An investigation by the Justice Department's Office of the Inspector General found no evidence that Attkisson's personal computer was hacked. [Media Matters, 1/29/15]
Is there anything untrue there?
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lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
I absolutely do. I make an effort, most of the time, to not just dismiss a story out of hand because of where it came from. I do make some exceptions, like Jimmy O'keefe - a proven liar - but generally I try to judge stories on their own merits while considering their slant.
I guess the point is that if you are going to use Sharyl Attkisson as a source for a narrative, it's worth noting that she's actually sort of a crazyperson who tends to make things up. Bias is one thing, but I think she goes a little too far into the O'keefe camp.
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lord_blackfang wrote: Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
Ouze wrote: I absolutely do. I make an effort, most of the time, to not just dismiss a story out of hand because of where it came from. I do make some exceptions, like Jimmy O'keefe - a proven liar - but generally I try to judge stories on their own merits while considering their slant.
Okay.
Good thing I wasn't arguing things were "untrue"... only that Media Matter isn't this unbias source.
FTR: I believe Attkisson's work on Benghazi were fantastic, as she was the only one at CBS asking the hard questions, while her peers refuses to investigate certain angles.
EDIT: furthermore, shadow was asking for some information on what was going with emailgate. Attkisson's link was mostly a timeline of the event that transpired, with very little opinion crap.
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Ouze wrote: I absolutely do. I make an effort, most of the time, to not just dismiss a story out of hand because of where it came from. I do make some exceptions, like Jimmy O'keefe - a proven liar - but generally I try to judge stories on their own merits while considering their slant.
Okay.
Good thing I wasn't arguing things were "untrue"... only that Media Matter isn't this unbias source.
FTR: I believe Attkisson's work on Benghazi were fantastic, as she was the only one at CBS asking the hard questions, while her peers refuses to investigate certain angles.
So you think that people who are prone to conspiracy theories and trying to find connections that aren't there won't do it on other cases?
I guess the point is that if you are going to use Sharyl Attkisson as a source for a narrative, it's worth noting that she's actually sort of a crazyperson who tends to make things up. Bias is one thing, but I think she goes a little too far into the O'keefe camp.
I disagree... but, whateves.
I'll submit that her vaccines stories was garbage, but to say she's this discredited journalist in the same class as O'keefe is a bit much.
The thing with the whole email thing and possibly why us Brits are coming in to it confused...
I'm not sure, but I think there's a different mindset in the UK about such events as opposed to the US.
EG, The politicians are directly the boss of the civil service - the Ministry of Defence isn't just a name, they're employees of the Defence Minister (who, broadly speaking, is an employee of Her Majesty).
So, generally speaking, we're like, "wha?" - It's like an employee trying to fire their boss.
Like they say, 'gak' flows downhill. I imagine if it were the UK, it would be along the lines of. "The Civil Service didn't provide sufficient means to match The Secretary and their staffs requirements."
Compel wrote: The thing with the whole email thing and possibly why us Brits are coming in to it confused...
I'm not sure, but I think there's a different mindset in the UK about such events as opposed to the US.
EG, The politicians are directly the boss of the civil service - the Ministry of Defence isn't just a name, they're employees of the Defence Minister (who, broadly speaking, is an employee of Her Majesty).
So, generally speaking, we're like, "wha?" - It's like an employee trying to fire their boss.
Like they say, 'gak' flows downhill. I imagine if it were the UK, it would be along the lines of. "The Civil Service didn't provide sufficient means to match The Secretary and their staffs requirements."
As opposed to it being The Secretary's fault.
Speaking generally and in generic terms.
Clinton refused to use States Dept emails and refused to follow regulation and protocols.
As such, laws were broken.
I'll keep it simple. The Secretary of State is required information to do her job.
Many of those information comes from other departments.
Some of those come from classified systems.
These systems are "air gapped"... meaning, none of those devices are accessible from outside networks, like what you and I are doing now.
Therefore, "someone" had to transcribe or electronically copied those information and re-transcribed/sent that information to Clinton's homebrew email server.
Multiple laws were broken from that point.
Hence why you'd read/hear that if anyone else had done this, they'd be in jail.
I'll submit that her vaccines stories was garbage, but to say she's this discredited journalist in the same class as O'keefe is a bit much.
Do you believe her hacking story? You're an IT professional, does it sound believable?
C'mon man... you deal with people who knows nothing about computers and believe what they believe.
So, yes, I think she was paranoid and I believe that she believed she was hacked.
Does that make that person "stupid" or "dumb"?
She reminds me of someone who couldn't get her spreadsheet to calculate, asks for helps, and "IT dude" fixes it and she proclaims that IT dude is a wizard.
IT wizard simply converted the calculation columns from text to general.
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Ouze wrote: Is there anything on that page that is factually inaccurate?
Here's most of the article:
Spoiler:
Attkisson Tarnished Her Reputation With Shoddy Reporting
Politico: Before Attkisson Left CBS, Network Executives Said She Was "Wading Dangerously Close To Advocacy" In Benghazi "Campaign." In May 2013, Politico reported that CBS News "has grown increasingly frustrated with Attkisson's Benghazi campaign." According to Politico, "CBS News executives see Attkisson wading dangerously close to advocacy on the issue, network sources have told POLITICO. Attkisson can't get some of her stories on the air, and is thus left feeling marginalized and underutilized." Attkisson left CBS in March 2014. [Politico, 5/8/13; Media Matters, 3/10/14]
Wash. Post: Attkisson Has Been "Widely Criticized Within Medical-Research Circles" For Pushing The Debunked Link Between Vaccines And Autism. The Washington Post reported:
Some of Attkisson's most controversial reporting hasn't been about politics at all. She has been widely criticized within medical-research circles for a series starting in 2002 about research linking childhood vaccinations to the rise in autism. The stories have been denounced in some circles as "fear-mongering." Attkisson is, typically, unbowed: "I stand behind it," she says. "It's some of the best work I've ever done. My only regret is that we haven't done more." [The Washington Post, 5/7/13]
Attkisson Pushed Error-Ridden Report On "New Solyndras." A January 2012 CBS' This Morning exclusive investigative report by Attkisson about government waste purported to identify 12 clean energy companies, including Solyndra, that she claimed were "having trouble" or had "filed for bankruptcy" after receiving a total of $6.5 billion in federal assistance. But several of the clean energy companies Attkisson mentioned never received federal funding or were incorrectly linked to the assistance in question. [Media Matters, 1/13/12; Media Matters, 1/18/12]
Attkisson Pushed Inaccurate Healthcare.gov Claims Based On "Partial" Information Likely Leaked By House Republicans. Attkisson aired an "exclusive" CBS report in November 2013 -- based on what she acknowledged were selectively-leaked, partial transcripts -- claiming that the "project manager in charge of building the federal health care website was apparently kept in the dark about serious failures in the website's security." Those security failures supposedly compromised Americans' personal information. However, contrary to Attkisson's misleading report, the memo in question discussed a part of the website not in use, which did not deal with personally identifiable information. [Media Matters, 11/13/13; Media Matters, 11/12/13]
After Leaving CBS, Attkisson Published A Book Full Of Conservative Myths. After she resigned from CBS News, Attkisson released Stonewalled, a book designed to document how she tried to work as a nonpartisan journalist but was stymied by the Obama administration and her CBS bosses. However, the book's sloppy inaccuracies and absent context simply reinforced her image as a journalist more interested in a biased narrative than uncovering the facts. [Media Matters, 11/2/14]
Attkisson Couldn't Find A 2012 Photo Of Obama From The Night Of Benghazi. In Stonewalled, Attkisson narrates a moment in November 2012 when she attempted to find a photograph of President Obama on the night of the Benghazi attacks as a way to account for his "actions that night," suggesting the White House wasn't being forthright about the president's whereabouts, which she characterizes as suspicious and politically motivated. A photo of the president in the Oval Office taken the night of the attacks has been available on the public White House Flickr account since October 11, 2012, three weeks before Attkisson claims she started looking for a photo. [Media Matters, 11/2/14]
Attkisson's Sloppy Reporting Has Already Plagued Her Other Employer, The Daily Signal. After leaving CBS, Attkisson has worked as a reporter for the Heritage Foundation's Daily Signal (where she will continue while hosting her Sinclair TV show). In a January report for The Daily Signal, she claimed she had uncovered a Benghazi "bombshell," alleging that a former State Department employee was told to scrub and destroy State Department documents that included anything that might put the department's leadership "in a bad light," before the documents were sent to an investigator. But it was subsequently revealed that the supposed witness had changed his testimony, and that a second eyewitness, meant to corroborate the story, in fact dismantled it, telling Congress "he never engaged or was aware of any destruction of documents." [Media Matters, 1/27/15]
Attkisson Has Pushed A Bizarre, Confused Conspiracy Theory That The Government Hacked Her Electronics
Attkisson Claimed Her Personal Apple Laptop, Personal Apple Desktop, And A CBS News-Issued Toshiba Laptop Had Been Hacked By The Government. Attkisson's Stonewalled documents her many problems with her electronics, and claimed that several of her computers had been hacked as part of a federal effort to monitor her because, supposedly, she did reporting critical of the Obama administration. In June 2013, CBS News confirmed that the CBS News computer was breached, using what the network said were "sophisticated" methods. They did not identify the party or parties behind the breach. Attkisson wrote in Stonewalled that she subsequently gave her "personal Apple desktop iMac computer" to the Department of Justice's Office of the Inspector General for review, claiming that she believed a government agency was monitoring it. She is now in the midst of a lawsuit accusing the federal government of conducting surveillance on her machines and violating the Fourth Amendment. [Media Matters, 2/5/15; Variety, 9/30/15]
Television, Telephone, And House Alarm May Have Also Been Affected By Hack, She Claimed. In Stonewalled, Attkisson highlighted a warning from a friend who told her that the government is likely monitoring her due to her reporting on the Benghazi attacks. Attkisson wrote that the "warning sheds new light on all the trouble I've been having with my phones and computers." She details a variety of ongoing technology problems she experienced at her home starting in the autumn of 2012, including strange sounds on her telephone (which unnamed sources tell her may be tapped), a television that "spontaneously jitters, mutes, and freeze-frames," a house alarm that repeatedly goes off at night, and a mysterious fiber optics cable cord that appears behind her house. Her Verizon FiOS system controls her internet, phone, and home security systems, which Attkisson suggests links these electronic malfunctions to her computer problems. [Media Matters, 11/4/14]
But Attkisson's Hacking Story Kept Changing, Including Her Changing Her Mind About Who Did It. First, Attkisson claimed in Stonewalled that not only was she sure the government was hacking her, she knew the name of the individual responsible: "I make contact with an excellent source who has crucial information: the name of the person responsible for my computer intrusions. He provides me the name and I recognize it." But when her story began to be questioned by various media outlets, Attkisson reversed course, instead claiming "The forensics says that there was a government tie to this, because there was, as one of them said, proprietary software to one of the four federal government agencies. Doesn't mean I know who was on the other end or was it an organization or was it a person, a rogue person, I don't have the answer to those questions." Attkisson also changed her mind about whether her television and phone were related to the hacking, and whether her personal computers were ever hacked at all. [Media Matters, 11/5/14; Media Matters, 11/4/14; Media Matters, 2/5/15]
Attkisson's Video Of Her Purported Hacking Was Likely Just A Stuck Backspace Key, According To Security Experts. At one point, Attkisson released a short video showing an "apparent hack" of her Apple laptop. But computer security experts who watched the video told Media Matters that it seemed to show the results of a stuck backspace key rather than hacking. [Media Matters, 10/31/14]
A Federal Investigation Found No Evidence Attkisson's Personal Computer Was Hacked. An investigation by the Justice Department's Office of the Inspector General found no evidence that Attkisson's personal computer was hacked. [Media Matters, 1/29/15]
Is there anything untrue there?
Is there anything factually inaccurate in the source Whembly cited and which you are deriding?
d-usa wrote: You can read the report from the actual law enforcement agency about what they found and why she wasn't charged with anything.
Or you can read reports from people with agendas.
This. You have the option of getting it straight from the horses mouth.
To instead go to other sources who will have injected their own bias would seem to indicate that you are not looking for the actual facts but rather to have your preconceptions confirmed.
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Or you can read reports from people with agendas.
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Compel wrote: The thing with the whole email thing and possibly why us Brits are coming in to it confused...
I'm not sure, but I think there's a different mindset in the UK about such events as opposed to the US.
EG, The politicians are directly the boss of the civil service - the Ministry of Defence isn't just a name, they're employees of the Defence Minister (who, broadly speaking, is an employee of Her Majesty).
So, generally speaking, we're like, "wha?" - It's like an employee trying to fire their boss.
Like they say, 'gak' flows downhill. I imagine if it were the UK, it would be along the lines of. "The Civil Service didn't provide sufficient means to match The Secretary and their staffs requirements."
As opposed to it being The Secretary's fault.
Speaking generally and in generic terms.
The over-simplified version is that Secretaries of the various Departments (which would be the equivalent in roles to your ministers I believe) are at the core still simple employees of the Departments that they are in charge of. The main difference is that the President gets to pick who he wants to to hire rather than them having to go through the competitive hiring process. Other than that their roles and responsibilities are defined by law and regulated by the actual rules of the Departments that they are heading. There are plenty of nuances of how this all works in real life, but at the core they are just another employee.
Edit: additionally other laws that govern general rules and behaviors of government employees, as well as regular everyday civilians, still apply as well. Rules governing security clearances, handling of classified information, etc. The Secretary of Transportation doesn't get to speed down the interstate just because he's technically in charge of them and gets to make his own rules, as an example.
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Ouze wrote: Is there anything on that page that is factually inaccurate?
Here's most of the article:
Spoiler:
Attkisson Tarnished Her Reputation With Shoddy Reporting
Politico: Before Attkisson Left CBS, Network Executives Said She Was "Wading Dangerously Close To Advocacy" In Benghazi "Campaign." In May 2013, Politico reported that CBS News "has grown increasingly frustrated with Attkisson's Benghazi campaign." According to Politico, "CBS News executives see Attkisson wading dangerously close to advocacy on the issue, network sources have told POLITICO. Attkisson can't get some of her stories on the air, and is thus left feeling marginalized and underutilized." Attkisson left CBS in March 2014. [Politico, 5/8/13; Media Matters, 3/10/14]
Wash. Post: Attkisson Has Been "Widely Criticized Within Medical-Research Circles" For Pushing The Debunked Link Between Vaccines And Autism. The Washington Post reported:
Some of Attkisson's most controversial reporting hasn't been about politics at all. She has been widely criticized within medical-research circles for a series starting in 2002 about research linking childhood vaccinations to the rise in autism. The stories have been denounced in some circles as "fear-mongering." Attkisson is, typically, unbowed: "I stand behind it," she says. "It's some of the best work I've ever done. My only regret is that we haven't done more." [The Washington Post, 5/7/13]
Attkisson Pushed Error-Ridden Report On "New Solyndras." A January 2012 CBS' This Morning exclusive investigative report by Attkisson about government waste purported to identify 12 clean energy companies, including Solyndra, that she claimed were "having trouble" or had "filed for bankruptcy" after receiving a total of $6.5 billion in federal assistance. But several of the clean energy companies Attkisson mentioned never received federal funding or were incorrectly linked to the assistance in question. [Media Matters, 1/13/12; Media Matters, 1/18/12]
Attkisson Pushed Inaccurate Healthcare.gov Claims Based On "Partial" Information Likely Leaked By House Republicans. Attkisson aired an "exclusive" CBS report in November 2013 -- based on what she acknowledged were selectively-leaked, partial transcripts -- claiming that the "project manager in charge of building the federal health care website was apparently kept in the dark about serious failures in the website's security." Those security failures supposedly compromised Americans' personal information. However, contrary to Attkisson's misleading report, the memo in question discussed a part of the website not in use, which did not deal with personally identifiable information. [Media Matters, 11/13/13; Media Matters, 11/12/13]
After Leaving CBS, Attkisson Published A Book Full Of Conservative Myths. After she resigned from CBS News, Attkisson released Stonewalled, a book designed to document how she tried to work as a nonpartisan journalist but was stymied by the Obama administration and her CBS bosses. However, the book's sloppy inaccuracies and absent context simply reinforced her image as a journalist more interested in a biased narrative than uncovering the facts. [Media Matters, 11/2/14]
Attkisson Couldn't Find A 2012 Photo Of Obama From The Night Of Benghazi. In Stonewalled, Attkisson narrates a moment in November 2012 when she attempted to find a photograph of President Obama on the night of the Benghazi attacks as a way to account for his "actions that night," suggesting the White House wasn't being forthright about the president's whereabouts, which she characterizes as suspicious and politically motivated. A photo of the president in the Oval Office taken the night of the attacks has been available on the public White House Flickr account since October 11, 2012, three weeks before Attkisson claims she started looking for a photo. [Media Matters, 11/2/14]
Attkisson's Sloppy Reporting Has Already Plagued Her Other Employer, The Daily Signal. After leaving CBS, Attkisson has worked as a reporter for the Heritage Foundation's Daily Signal (where she will continue while hosting her Sinclair TV show). In a January report for The Daily Signal, she claimed she had uncovered a Benghazi "bombshell," alleging that a former State Department employee was told to scrub and destroy State Department documents that included anything that might put the department's leadership "in a bad light," before the documents were sent to an investigator. But it was subsequently revealed that the supposed witness had changed his testimony, and that a second eyewitness, meant to corroborate the story, in fact dismantled it, telling Congress "he never engaged or was aware of any destruction of documents." [Media Matters, 1/27/15]
Attkisson Has Pushed A Bizarre, Confused Conspiracy Theory That The Government Hacked Her Electronics
Attkisson Claimed Her Personal Apple Laptop, Personal Apple Desktop, And A CBS News-Issued Toshiba Laptop Had Been Hacked By The Government. Attkisson's Stonewalled documents her many problems with her electronics, and claimed that several of her computers had been hacked as part of a federal effort to monitor her because, supposedly, she did reporting critical of the Obama administration. In June 2013, CBS News confirmed that the CBS News computer was breached, using what the network said were "sophisticated" methods. They did not identify the party or parties behind the breach. Attkisson wrote in Stonewalled that she subsequently gave her "personal Apple desktop iMac computer" to the Department of Justice's Office of the Inspector General for review, claiming that she believed a government agency was monitoring it. She is now in the midst of a lawsuit accusing the federal government of conducting surveillance on her machines and violating the Fourth Amendment. [Media Matters, 2/5/15; Variety, 9/30/15]
Television, Telephone, And House Alarm May Have Also Been Affected By Hack, She Claimed. In Stonewalled, Attkisson highlighted a warning from a friend who told her that the government is likely monitoring her due to her reporting on the Benghazi attacks. Attkisson wrote that the "warning sheds new light on all the trouble I've been having with my phones and computers." She details a variety of ongoing technology problems she experienced at her home starting in the autumn of 2012, including strange sounds on her telephone (which unnamed sources tell her may be tapped), a television that "spontaneously jitters, mutes, and freeze-frames," a house alarm that repeatedly goes off at night, and a mysterious fiber optics cable cord that appears behind her house. Her Verizon FiOS system controls her internet, phone, and home security systems, which Attkisson suggests links these electronic malfunctions to her computer problems. [Media Matters, 11/4/14]
But Attkisson's Hacking Story Kept Changing, Including Her Changing Her Mind About Who Did It. First, Attkisson claimed in Stonewalled that not only was she sure the government was hacking her, she knew the name of the individual responsible: "I make contact with an excellent source who has crucial information: the name of the person responsible for my computer intrusions. He provides me the name and I recognize it." But when her story began to be questioned by various media outlets, Attkisson reversed course, instead claiming "The forensics says that there was a government tie to this, because there was, as one of them said, proprietary software to one of the four federal government agencies. Doesn't mean I know who was on the other end or was it an organization or was it a person, a rogue person, I don't have the answer to those questions." Attkisson also changed her mind about whether her television and phone were related to the hacking, and whether her personal computers were ever hacked at all. [Media Matters, 11/5/14; Media Matters, 11/4/14; Media Matters, 2/5/15]
Attkisson's Video Of Her Purported Hacking Was Likely Just A Stuck Backspace Key, According To Security Experts. At one point, Attkisson released a short video showing an "apparent hack" of her Apple laptop. But computer security experts who watched the video told Media Matters that it seemed to show the results of a stuck backspace key rather than hacking. [Media Matters, 10/31/14]
A Federal Investigation Found No Evidence Attkisson's Personal Computer Was Hacked. An investigation by the Justice Department's Office of the Inspector General found no evidence that Attkisson's personal computer was hacked. [Media Matters, 1/29/15]
Is there anything untrue there?
Is there anything factually inaccurate in the source Whembly cited and which you are deriding?
Just as a quick run down of the first few sentences because Jesus how does anyone read this and not smell the gak immediately? Check mark 1 is a blatant lie. Check mark 2-4 seem to be made up, since the authors own website is the first hit on a google search for those topics, and all subsequent hits link back to the first as their source (if any source is provided at all). Check mark 5 doesn't even make sense, and seems to be little more than an attempt to role all the "Hillary lied" stuff into one giant mega conspiracy. In fact, do a google search for any of the claims in the original article, and the only results that come up aare the article itself and a numerous string of blogs and crazy pants conspiracy websites that pull from it.
And that's where I stop, because the reality is that no one with any respect for themselves is going to indulge unadulterated bull gak for more than a few minutes. And that's what the ruckus about the email scandal really amounts too; unadulterated bull gak. I don't know how much attention you pay to this thread, but there's a reason no one wants to engage a play by play fact check. if we had to do it every time, we'd literally do nothing but sit here in OT every day of our lives pointing out every lie and stream of bile that has been said about this subject. It's old, and it's tired, and there's two or three posters here who just won't let it die.
The whole point of filing someone under "crazy liar" is to not have to deal with them anymore because they're a crazy liar. It's a lot like how you put people on your ignore list, except no one is putting Sharyl Attkinson on ignore to be petty. It's because there's literally nothing to be gained by engaging her, let alone listening.
Rather than argue about some anti-vaxxer site's value as a factual source, let's look at what the FBI said.
... we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information,
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In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts.
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As a result, although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case.
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And here is the perfect explanation of how the Republican bs campaign works.
From day one Benghazi was a political attack, in the words of Colin Powell, "a witch hunt". It ran for years through dozens of committees, the whole time fuelled by rumour and speculation. Despite lots of exciting opinion pieces in the media the end result was nothing, because there was nothing of substance there.
Then suddenly its 'old news', and we're told now there's a real scandal... and here's lots of new rumour and speculation.
This is how the scam works, and it didn't just start with Clinton. Benghazi started as an attack on Obama, afterall. There was also Obama the muslim, born overseas, had a radical pastor, ties to the Weather Underground etc. And before that you had the Swiftboating of John Kerry - an orchestrated set of lies if ever there was one. And then there was the endless list of conspiracy nonsense against Bill Clinton. Black helicopters, the trail of bodies... Then there were the horribly false 'exposes' of ACORN, NPR and Planned Parenthood.
More than 20 years of Republican attacks, all falling apart as facts finally overcome rumours and lies, but in every case there was another always another ready to start just as the last one ran out of steam.
And yet here we are now with the email scandal, with an FBI report clearly stating that what happened was bad but nowhere near a prosecutable offence, and a bunch of rumours and speculation about the Foundation with zero evidence, and all the same people are buying in all over again.
At what point are people going to stop falling for this simple con from conservative media?
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
skyth wrote: People keep on saying that Clinton us corrupt, but there is scanr real evidence for that. Compare to Trump where he is bribing attorney generals not to press charges against him...
Simple, she takes huge money from lobbyists, she isn't nearly as corrupt as donald trump might be, but with both candidates there is certainly no likeliness to serve the american people first.
Well that's not unique to Clinton or even Clinton&Trump. That's common trait shared by all politicians so if that's reason to not vote somebody you have nobody to vote...
tneva82 wrote: Well that's not unique to Clinton or even Clinton&Trump. That's common trait shared by all politicians so if that's reason to not vote somebody you have nobody to vote...
There's this weird thing where things that are utterly common place, like raising campaign finds, become unforgivable when Clinton does them.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
I heard a vicious rumor that Hillary Clinton has been known, on occasion, to use the restroom. Therefore, it's okay when Trump takes a big, steaming dump on the truth and the American people in general.
Ouze wrote: Is there anything on that page that is factually inaccurate?
Here's most of the article:
Spoiler:
Attkisson Tarnished Her Reputation With Shoddy Reporting
Politico: Before Attkisson Left CBS, Network Executives Said She Was "Wading Dangerously Close To Advocacy" In Benghazi "Campaign." In May 2013, Politico reported that CBS News "has grown increasingly frustrated with Attkisson's Benghazi campaign." According to Politico, "CBS News executives see Attkisson wading dangerously close to advocacy on the issue, network sources have told POLITICO. Attkisson can't get some of her stories on the air, and is thus left feeling marginalized and underutilized." Attkisson left CBS in March 2014. [Politico, 5/8/13; Media Matters, 3/10/14]
Wash. Post: Attkisson Has Been "Widely Criticized Within Medical-Research Circles" For Pushing The Debunked Link Between Vaccines And Autism. The Washington Post reported:
Some of Attkisson's most controversial reporting hasn't been about politics at all. She has been widely criticized within medical-research circles for a series starting in 2002 about research linking childhood vaccinations to the rise in autism. The stories have been denounced in some circles as "fear-mongering." Attkisson is, typically, unbowed: "I stand behind it," she says. "It's some of the best work I've ever done. My only regret is that we haven't done more." [The Washington Post, 5/7/13]
Attkisson Pushed Error-Ridden Report On "New Solyndras." A January 2012 CBS' This Morning exclusive investigative report by Attkisson about government waste purported to identify 12 clean energy companies, including Solyndra, that she claimed were "having trouble" or had "filed for bankruptcy" after receiving a total of $6.5 billion in federal assistance. But several of the clean energy companies Attkisson mentioned never received federal funding or were incorrectly linked to the assistance in question. [Media Matters, 1/13/12; Media Matters, 1/18/12]
Attkisson Pushed Inaccurate Healthcare.gov Claims Based On "Partial" Information Likely Leaked By House Republicans. Attkisson aired an "exclusive" CBS report in November 2013 -- based on what she acknowledged were selectively-leaked, partial transcripts -- claiming that the "project manager in charge of building the federal health care website was apparently kept in the dark about serious failures in the website's security." Those security failures supposedly compromised Americans' personal information. However, contrary to Attkisson's misleading report, the memo in question discussed a part of the website not in use, which did not deal with personally identifiable information. [Media Matters, 11/13/13; Media Matters, 11/12/13]
After Leaving CBS, Attkisson Published A Book Full Of Conservative Myths. After she resigned from CBS News, Attkisson released Stonewalled, a book designed to document how she tried to work as a nonpartisan journalist but was stymied by the Obama administration and her CBS bosses. However, the book's sloppy inaccuracies and absent context simply reinforced her image as a journalist more interested in a biased narrative than uncovering the facts. [Media Matters, 11/2/14]
Attkisson Couldn't Find A 2012 Photo Of Obama From The Night Of Benghazi. In Stonewalled, Attkisson narrates a moment in November 2012 when she attempted to find a photograph of President Obama on the night of the Benghazi attacks as a way to account for his "actions that night," suggesting the White House wasn't being forthright about the president's whereabouts, which she characterizes as suspicious and politically motivated. A photo of the president in the Oval Office taken the night of the attacks has been available on the public White House Flickr account since October 11, 2012, three weeks before Attkisson claims she started looking for a photo. [Media Matters, 11/2/14]
Attkisson's Sloppy Reporting Has Already Plagued Her Other Employer, The Daily Signal. After leaving CBS, Attkisson has worked as a reporter for the Heritage Foundation's Daily Signal (where she will continue while hosting her Sinclair TV show). In a January report for The Daily Signal, she claimed she had uncovered a Benghazi "bombshell," alleging that a former State Department employee was told to scrub and destroy State Department documents that included anything that might put the department's leadership "in a bad light," before the documents were sent to an investigator. But it was subsequently revealed that the supposed witness had changed his testimony, and that a second eyewitness, meant to corroborate the story, in fact dismantled it, telling Congress "he never engaged or was aware of any destruction of documents." [Media Matters, 1/27/15]
Attkisson Has Pushed A Bizarre, Confused Conspiracy Theory That The Government Hacked Her Electronics
Attkisson Claimed Her Personal Apple Laptop, Personal Apple Desktop, And A CBS News-Issued Toshiba Laptop Had Been Hacked By The Government. Attkisson's Stonewalled documents her many problems with her electronics, and claimed that several of her computers had been hacked as part of a federal effort to monitor her because, supposedly, she did reporting critical of the Obama administration. In June 2013, CBS News confirmed that the CBS News computer was breached, using what the network said were "sophisticated" methods. They did not identify the party or parties behind the breach. Attkisson wrote in Stonewalled that she subsequently gave her "personal Apple desktop iMac computer" to the Department of Justice's Office of the Inspector General for review, claiming that she believed a government agency was monitoring it. She is now in the midst of a lawsuit accusing the federal government of conducting surveillance on her machines and violating the Fourth Amendment. [Media Matters, 2/5/15; Variety, 9/30/15]
Television, Telephone, And House Alarm May Have Also Been Affected By Hack, She Claimed. In Stonewalled, Attkisson highlighted a warning from a friend who told her that the government is likely monitoring her due to her reporting on the Benghazi attacks. Attkisson wrote that the "warning sheds new light on all the trouble I've been having with my phones and computers." She details a variety of ongoing technology problems she experienced at her home starting in the autumn of 2012, including strange sounds on her telephone (which unnamed sources tell her may be tapped), a television that "spontaneously jitters, mutes, and freeze-frames," a house alarm that repeatedly goes off at night, and a mysterious fiber optics cable cord that appears behind her house. Her Verizon FiOS system controls her internet, phone, and home security systems, which Attkisson suggests links these electronic malfunctions to her computer problems. [Media Matters, 11/4/14]
But Attkisson's Hacking Story Kept Changing, Including Her Changing Her Mind About Who Did It. First, Attkisson claimed in Stonewalled that not only was she sure the government was hacking her, she knew the name of the individual responsible: "I make contact with an excellent source who has crucial information: the name of the person responsible for my computer intrusions. He provides me the name and I recognize it." But when her story began to be questioned by various media outlets, Attkisson reversed course, instead claiming "The forensics says that there was a government tie to this, because there was, as one of them said, proprietary software to one of the four federal government agencies. Doesn't mean I know who was on the other end or was it an organization or was it a person, a rogue person, I don't have the answer to those questions." Attkisson also changed her mind about whether her television and phone were related to the hacking, and whether her personal computers were ever hacked at all. [Media Matters, 11/5/14; Media Matters, 11/4/14; Media Matters, 2/5/15]
Attkisson's Video Of Her Purported Hacking Was Likely Just A Stuck Backspace Key, According To Security Experts. At one point, Attkisson released a short video showing an "apparent hack" of her Apple laptop. But computer security experts who watched the video told Media Matters that it seemed to show the results of a stuck backspace key rather than hacking. [Media Matters, 10/31/14]
A Federal Investigation Found No Evidence Attkisson's Personal Computer Was Hacked. An investigation by the Justice Department's Office of the Inspector General found no evidence that Attkisson's personal computer was hacked. [Media Matters, 1/29/15]
Is there anything untrue there?
Is there anything factually inaccurate in the source Whembly cited and which you are deriding?
Just as a quick run down of the first few sentences because Jesus how does anyone read this and not smell the gak immediately? Check mark 1 is a blatant lie.
Um... according to: https://vault.fbi.gov/hillary-r.-clinton FBI couldn't find all the devices, including the Apple server that was originally used at the beginning of Clinton's SoS tenure.
Check mark 2-4 seem to be made up, since the authors own website is the first hit on a google search for those topics, and all subsequent hits link back to the first as their source (if any source is provided at all).
Seems like you didn't read the FBI's report. It's in there.
Attkinson claims that there is an Apple server owned by Clinton with emails on it the FBI never found.
This is a blatant lie, and if you stopped looking for confirmation and actually read the FBI report you'd notice it. Clinton never had the server. There was a server for her staff. There is further no evidence this server was ever even installed or used. The FBI report you linked says as much. Claiming that Clinton had an Apple Server that was never recovered is a lie.
FBI couldn't find all the devices
In an era where Apple releases a new phone every other year, I'm sure they can't. They probably never could. Of course, pointing out that people trade through technology at a fast rate these days is distinct from insinuating as Attkinson does that there was a purposeful attempt to hide evidence.
Seem ]like you didn't read the FBI's report. It's in there.
There is a distinct difference between reading, and interpreting. I read the report. I just didn't take anything out of context to affirm my Hill hate.
So Hillary didn't have a laptop. Monica Handly did. It's almost like this was a massive cluster feth of bad data management or something perpetuated by a lot of people who probably were just making honest mistakes or something. Further this seems to refer to events that occurred in 2014. Hillary Clinton's emails didn't become a matter of scrutiny until 2015, but lets not let the basic laws of space time interfere with again insinuating there was a coverup, when it's far more likely that when you have as massive a staff as the SoS has, gak gets lost on a daily basis.
This refers to something that happened in 2013. People treat "I could not recall" like some kind of double speak. She's probably handled hordesof US thumb drives in the last three years. You try remembering them all. In fact this article seems to make it clear Hillary had absolutely nothing to do with the devices in question going missing. Monica Handly lost them. 3 years ago, found them 2 years ago, and promptly lost them again. It's a good case that she's really bad at keeping track of things at least.
I will never understand why someone would need 11 different smart phones in 8 years. I've had 1 phone for ten years. Works fine. But then I don't use mine much, so I imagine she probably burns through them rather fast.
But the Clinton staff has clearly invented time travel. Or you know, the right wing outrage machine will ignore the laws of space time to create a conspiracy and insinuate the evidence was willfully withheld when it was clearly not, and the FBI has said no such thing.
Look if you don't like a source. Fine.
Why would I like the source? She can't even relay extremely basic information accurately, and purposefully reconstructed facts to create lies. There's not much to like there. Even worse, you've shown a capacity to actually read and find out they are lies, and you still buy into them.
"An F.B.I. investigation into whether any laws were broken in the handling of classified information has concluded, and while the agency recommended no charges against Ms. Clinton over her use of email, it was called "extremely careless." "
But no. Please go on and tell us how she's a criminal and should be in jail DakkaDakka OT Politics thread, because you know. That horse is clearly dead, but it could still reanimate!
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So spare us the spiel that Democrats don't partake in these types of gutter politics.
From day one Benghazi was a political attack, in the words of Colin Powell, "a witch hunt".
Who also lays blame on Amb. Stevens... Nevermind that Powell was always favorable towards Obama and was simply trying to cover him.
It ran for years through dozens of committees, the whole time fuelled by rumour and speculation. Despite lots of exciting opinion pieces in the media the end result was nothing, because there was nothing of substance there.
Seb... Congress met with feth tonnages of obstruction and roadblocks, every.step.of.the.way. If there's no 'there' there... Obama/Democrats could've simply stepped back and let Republicans hang themselves. But, that's not what happened...
This is how the scam works, and it didn't just start with Clinton. Benghazi started as an attack on Obama, afterall.
Indeed. He was running for re-election and didn't want to look weak on his foreign policy.
You mean founding member Bill Ayers? Whose living room was used to launch Obama's political career? That's... what? Made up?
And before that you had the Swiftboating of John Kerry - an orchestrated set of lies if ever there was one.
Actual veterans who served with Kerry exercising their right to advocate a "not Kerry" was an orchastrated Republican lie?? Jeez... if the GOP were that powerful, the Democrats don't have a fething chance! Oh..wait! That's not right...
And then there was the endless list of conspiracy nonsense against Bill Clinton. Black helicopters, the trail of bodies... Then there were the horribly false 'exposes' of ACORN, NPR and Planned Parenthood.
Republican bad. Democrats good.
Got it.
And yet here we are now with the email scandal, with an FBI report clearly stating that what happened was bad but nowhere near a prosecutable offence, and a bunch of rumours and speculation about the Foundation with zero evidence, and all the same people are buying in all over again.
FBI didn't clearly state gak.
Congress is still fighting with the FBI...to the point, that Chairman Chafez fething SERVED an FBI deputy a subpoena in the middle of a hearing.
At what point are people going to stop falling for this simple con from conservative media?
At what point will you stop failing for every Democrat spin?
Attkinson claims that there is an Apple server owned by Clinton with emails on it the FBI never found.
This is a blatant lie, and if you stopped looking for confirmation and actually read the FBI report you'd notice it. Clinton never had the server. There was a server for her staff. There is further no evidence this server was ever even installed or used. The FBI report you linked says as much. Claiming that Clinton had an Apple Server that was never recovered is a lie.
No. It's not.
THey couldn't find that device.
The FBI did know that in 2007, Cooper setup that Apple server for Hillary's 2008 presidential run, and in 2009 as SoS, they realized they needed an upgrade.
Enter Pagliano, who upgraded the infrastructure (2 Dell boxes), still in the Clinton's basement.
FBI report states they weren't able to recover it. (thus, unspoken words, they couldn't confirm nor deny what happened to it).
FBI couldn't find all the devices
In an era where Apple releases a new phone every other year, I'm sure they can't. They probably never could. Of course, pointing out that people trade through technology at a fast rate these days is distinct from insinuating as Attkinson does that there was a purposeful attempt to hide evidence.
There's laws/regulations mandating that if a device is recieving classified information, then the device itself is classified.
You don't simply "throw away" or "oops, lost it bro" classified devices.
Seem ]like you didn't read the FBI's report. It's in there.
There is a distinct difference between reading, and interpreting. I read the report. I just didn't take anything out of context to affirm my Hill hate.
So Hillary didn't have a laptop. Monica Handly did. It's almost like this was a massive cluster feth of bad data management or something perpetuated by a lot of people who probably were just making honest mistakes or something. Further this seems to refer to events that occurred in 2014. Hillary Clinton's emails didn't become a matter of scrutiny until 2015, but lets not let the basic laws of space time interfere with again insinuating there was a coverup, when it's far more likely that when you have as massive a staff as the SoS has, gak gets lost on a daily basis.
Data management is a big fething deal.
Handling classified information is a big fething deal.
This refers to something that happened in 2013. People treat "I could not recall" like some kind of double speak. She's probably handled hordesof US thumb drives in the last three years. You try remembering them all. In fact this article seems to make it clear Hillary had absolutely nothing to do with the devices in question going missing. Monica Handly lost them. 3 years ago, found them 2 years ago, and promptly lost them again. It's a good case that she's really bad at keeping track of things at least.
...and they mailed a fething laptop... and it got lost in the mail!
That's some AWESOME fething GOVERNMENTAL skillz we're witnessing... no?
We're in so good hands when the Clintons moves back into the Whitehouse...no?
I will never understand why someone would need 11 different smart phones in 8 years. I've had 1 phone for ten years. Works fine. But then I don't use mine much, so I imagine she probably burns through them rather fast.
The number of devices doesn't faze me... really. I know people who gets new phone/tablet/PC every year.
It's the fact that these devices were exposed to classified information, on CONNECT networks. I repeat myself... you don't simply just "dispose" these devices... there are strict protocols in turn these devices in to the appropriate handlers when you're done with it.
But the Clinton staff has clearly invented time travel. Or you know, the right wing outrage machine will ignore the laws of space time to create a conspiracy and insinuate the evidence was willfully withheld when it was clearly not, and the FBI has said no such thing.
The FBI clearly had enough to recommend an indictment. Director Comey refused to do so, and the intelligence communities are pissed.
"An F.B.I. investigation into whether any laws were broken in the handling of classified information has concluded, and while the agency recommended no charges against Ms. Clinton over her use of email, it was called "extremely careless." "
But no. Please go on and tell us how she's a criminal and should be in jail DakkaDakka OT Politics thread, because you know. That horse is clearly dead, but it could still reanimate!
She and her staff broke numerous laws imo.
The biggest thing that's not really discussed, is that how in Elvis' bunghole did Clinton and her staff even GET those classified information into her email system?
Classified networks are "air gapped" for a reason.
Edit; trying to fix quoting...
EDIT2: I give up... dakka is being weird...
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And the term Political Correctness was perpetuated into the English language by conservatives to attack liberals during the cold war, because why actually debate policy when you can just equate your opponent to musl- I mean Communists.
Hillary may have started that crap, but she isn't the one who rang on it for years and continues to phone it in to this day, so lets stop being obtuse about it.
Republican bad. Democrats good.
Someday, it might actually occur to this little clique of posters in the OT that people don't need to be left leaning or even fans of the Democratic party to disagree with them.
FBI didn't clearly state gak.
Seems you didn't read the FBI report.
Congress
Wow. Really? Congress, which as I understand it has more than a few Republicans in it who have really been harping on this since it began didn't like the FBI's results, and are demanding a do over? Gee. When was the last time something like that happened?
At what point will you stop failing for every Democrat spin?
Are you ever actually going to address the point, or just keep running a long series of half the logical fallacies in the book?
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