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It's typically the opposite in the US. More votes means more minority votes which go to Dems. This is why voter suppression has been the mandate of the GOP in past elections, and there is already work for and against it in this election.
skyth wrote: I was thinking...The media's desire to paint the election as a close race to bolster ratings actually helps the Democrats.
Republicans are a minority though they tend to be higher motivated than Democrats.
By painting the race as close, that motivates people to vote. It makes people believe that their votes actually matter.
A higher voter turn out helps the Democrats more than Republicans.
Nah, that's what they said about Brexit, and the rest is history.
'Shy' Brexit supporters, who sat on the fence, said nothing, and did their talking in the privacy of the voting booth were a big factor IMO.
A person who worked at my polling station told me there were people voting who hadn't been seen for years at any election.
I can assure you that the same thing will happen on Tuesday. 'Shy' Trump supporters, keeping quiet, sitting on the fence, and slipping under the radar of the polling companies.
These are people who haven't voted for years, but will be out on Tuesday, because like our Brexit vote, they will think that for the first time in a long time, their vote may actually be worth a damn....
Clinton should be careful of this....
Except that we have better polling systems and have more experience in it.
skyth wrote: I was thinking...The media's desire to paint the election as a close race to bolster ratings actually helps the Democrats.
Republicans are a minority though they tend to be higher motivated than Democrats.
By painting the race as close, that motivates people to vote. It makes people believe that their votes actually matter.
A higher voter turn out helps the Democrats more than Republicans.
Nah, that's what they said about Brexit, and the rest is history.
'Shy' Brexit supporters, who sat on the fence, said nothing, and did their talking in the privacy of the voting booth were a big factor IMO.
A person who worked at my polling station told me there were people voting who hadn't been seen for years at any election.
I can assure you that the same thing will happen on Tuesday. 'Shy' Trump supporters, keeping quiet, sitting on the fence, and slipping under the radar of the polling companies.
These are people who haven't voted for years, but will be out on Tuesday, because like our Brexit vote, they will think that for the first time in a long time, their vote may actually be worth a damn....
Clinton should be careful of this....
There's name for that effect that came when clear black favourite lost elections. Many white voters were affraid being labelled racist so either said don't know or lied on polls
skyth wrote: I was thinking...The media's desire to paint the election as a close race to bolster ratings actually helps the Democrats.
Republicans are a minority though they tend to be higher motivated than Democrats.
By painting the race as close, that motivates people to vote. It makes people believe that their votes actually matter.
A higher voter turn out helps the Democrats more than Republicans.
Nah, that's what they said about Brexit, and the rest is history.
'Shy' Brexit supporters, who sat on the fence, said nothing, and did their talking in the privacy of the voting booth were a big factor IMO.
A person who worked at my polling station told me there were people voting who hadn't been seen for years at any election.
I can assure you that the same thing will happen on Tuesday. 'Shy' Trump supporters, keeping quiet, sitting on the fence, and slipping under the radar of the polling companies.
These are people who haven't voted for years, but will be out on Tuesday, because like our Brexit vote, they will think that for the first time in a long time, their vote may actually be worth a damn....
Clinton should be careful of this....
Except that we have better polling systems and have more experience in it.
But have you got Prof. John Curtice, expert on polling, and guy with funny hair that makes the alien guy look normal?
On a serious note, I don't think your polling systems are any better than ours. I'm old enough to remember the days when the pollsters though Gore could beat Bush and Bush Snr was going to beat Bill Clinton.
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More Dakka wrote: It's typically the opposite in the US. More votes means more minority votes which go to Dems. This is why voter suppression has been the mandate of the GOP in past elections, and there is already work for and against it in this election.
Very true. I had never even heard of voter ID until I joined dakka and followed the American politics thread.
When I go to vote, I turn up and off I go. It helps that it's the same guy behind the desk who's being doing it for the last 30 years or so, but still....
skyth wrote: I was thinking...The media's desire to paint the election as a close race to bolster ratings actually helps the Democrats.
Republicans are a minority though they tend to be higher motivated than Democrats.
By painting the race as close, that motivates people to vote. It makes people believe that their votes actually matter.
A higher voter turn out helps the Democrats more than Republicans.
Nah, that's what they said about Brexit, and the rest is history.
'Shy' Brexit supporters, who sat on the fence, said nothing, and did their talking in the privacy of the voting booth were a big factor IMO.
A person who worked at my polling station told me there were people voting who hadn't been seen for years at any election.
I can assure you that the same thing will happen on Tuesday. 'Shy' Trump supporters, keeping quiet, sitting on the fence, and slipping under the radar of the polling companies.
These are people who haven't voted for years, but will be out on Tuesday, because like our Brexit vote, they will think that for the first time in a long time, their vote may actually be worth a damn....
Clinton should be careful of this....
There's name for that effect that came when clear black favourite lost elections. Many white voters were affraid being labelled racist so either said don't know or lied on polls
Good point. Same thing happened here. A lot of British people didn't want to admit to being on the same side as Nigel Farage.
I suspect Trump voters, or at least some of them, will avoid declaring their support for Trump.
Purely anecdotal, but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that there are millions of people in the USA who voted for Nixon years ago, but you'd be hard pressed to get anybody to admit that they voted for him....
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deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Voter suppression goes deeper than ID requirements. We're talking guys with guns in open carry states, wearing Trump clothes, intimidating anyone that's not white outside and inside of polling stations.
More Dakka wrote: Voter suppression goes deeper than ID requirements. We're talking guys with guns in open carry states, wearing Trump clothes, intimidating anyone that's not white outside and inside of polling stations.
More Dakka wrote: Voter suppression goes deeper than ID requirements. We're talking guys with guns in open carry states, wearing Trump clothes, intimidating anyone that's not white outside and inside of polling stations.
You mean like this?
Let's stop acting like it's a one way street.
Do they have openly carried guns? Then the comparison is not apt
More Dakka wrote: Voter suppression goes deeper than ID requirements. We're talking guys with guns in open carry states, wearing Trump clothes, intimidating anyone that's not white outside and inside of polling stations.
You mean like this?
Let's stop acting like it's a one way street.
Do they have openly carried guns? Then the comparison is not apt
Ahhh... so intimidation is only bad if they use different tools. Got it.
I don't know if I ever could walk past the dude to vote...
From the story.
Brown noted that the man was “being nice” to people, and that he appeared to respecting the observed 40-foot no-canvassing zone outside of the entrance.
More Dakka wrote: Voter suppression goes deeper than ID requirements. We're talking guys with guns in open carry states, wearing Trump clothes, intimidating anyone that's not white outside and inside of polling stations.
You mean like this?
Let's stop acting like it's a one way street.
Do they have openly carried guns? Then the comparison is not apt
Ahhh... so intimidation is only bad if they use different tools. Got it.
Also love your proof that they weren't just walking out and someone took a picture of them to prove "dat duh demicrits ar intimidatin two"
I don't know if I ever could walk past the dude to vote...
From the story.
Brown noted that the man was “being nice” to people, and that he appeared to respecting the observed 40-foot no-canvassing zone outside of the entrance.
Very intimidating.
Would be relevant if not for this
“He’s like, ‘Who are you going to vote for, crooked Hillary?’ And I was like, that’s really none of your business,” Cotti said, adding that the man was standing in the sidewalk outside of the office when they left and blocking their path.
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That picture was from a pretty famous incident of voter intimidation that took place in Pennsylvania. The man with the club was forced to leave by the police. The other man was allowed to stay because he was a "certified poll watcher".
This was the man with the club. A man who preaches we need to kill all the white babies. A guy whose "being nice" is worse though.
At any rate, I'm not arguing one guy is right or wrong. Just give up the "republicans are bad" crap. For every instance of one side that you trot out, an equal or worse instance from the other can be put right next to it. Asshats exist everywhere, it's a fact of life.
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Um... yes, standing outside polls with a gun is more intimidating than standing outside polls with a club. Duh!
Just give up the "republicans are bad" crap. For every instance of one side that you trot out, an equal or worse instance from the other can be put right next to it. Asshats exist everywhere, it's a fact of life.
Hey look, its this argument again! Its funny, because both sides are bad but the GOP is heavier on that scale, so there's always these attempts to throw up hands and say 'they're both bad!' and walk away rather than having to acknowledge that even if they are both bad, one of them is worse.
Apparently it's a thing. At first glace I thought this would be illegal.... but really... I don't see how.
TL;DR: It's a site/app that will pair you with a voter in another state to discuss swapping votes. In fact, there are a few other apps that are even weighing what a vote is worth...so you might get three or four votes for Gary Johnson in California in exchange for a Nevada Clinton vote.
Maybe it's just me but I'd be way more concerned about the person standing around with a club in hand than the one with a holstered gun in a state where open carry is legal.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: Maybe it's just me but I'd be way more concerned about the person standing around with a club in hand than the one with a holstered gun in a state where open carry is legal.
Then you haven't thought it through. Gun is much more likely to kill you. I know against whom I would like my luck with. I take my chances with club all day all week over gun. Club I can outrun. Bullet less so. And bullet has the bad habit that it can reach you from lot further.
whembly wrote: Trump supporters are open carrying by the polls?
I'm probably wrong, but I thought it was illegal to have a gun near a voting station?
I base this on the fact that you don't allow guns in a court house, so maybe the same applies to a voting station?
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AllSeeingSkink wrote: Maybe it's just me but I'd be way more concerned about the person standing around with a club in hand than the one with a holstered gun in a state where open carry is legal.
Even if the guy with the gun was blocking your way into the polls and asking who you were voting for?
C'mon, it's clearly voter intimidation, and it's clearly something one side's presidential candidate has called for. Let's call it what it is and not make excuses for it, that's how Trump got as much support as he did in the first place.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: Maybe it's just me but I'd be way more concerned about the person standing around with a club in hand than the one with a holstered gun in a state where open carry is legal.
Even if the guy with the gun was blocking your way into the polls and asking who you were voting for?
If he's being friendly and not actively holding the gun, yeah. The world over you run a gauntlet to get to voting booths. I'd just do what I do every other time someone tries to hand me stuff and talk to me when I'm on my way to voting, smile, nod and say excuse me can you please move out of my way. I would not expect someone to actually use a gun on me even if they have one in a holster.
But the person actively holding a club I'd be much more concerned they actually intend to use it.
C'mon, it's clearly voter intimidation,
I never made any judgement one way or the other on whether or not it's intimidation, that depends entirely on how the person is acting, and holding a weapon in your hand is a more aggressive action that having a holstered weapon in a state that allows you to carry holstered weapons. All he's doing is putting people off voting for Trump even more, and it seems from reading the article even he probably realized that when it was pointed out to him.
I think most on Dakka can agree that Comey's performance these last few months has been less than stellar. Just another paragraph in the conspiracy theorists' notebooks.
skyth wrote: I was thinking...The media's desire to paint the election as a close race to bolster ratings actually helps the Democrats.
Republicans are a minority though they tend to be higher motivated than Democrats.
By painting the race as close, that motivates people to vote. It makes people believe that their votes actually matter.
A higher voter turn out helps the Democrats more than Republicans.
Nah, that's what they said about Brexit, and the rest is history.
'Shy' Brexit supporters, who sat on the fence, said nothing, and did their talking in the privacy of the voting booth were a big factor IMO.
A person who worked at my polling station told me there were people voting who hadn't been seen for years at any election.
I can assure you that the same thing will happen on Tuesday. 'Shy' Trump supporters, keeping quiet, sitting on the fence, and slipping under the radar of the polling companies.
These are people who haven't voted for years, but will be out on Tuesday, because like our Brexit vote, they will think that for the first time in a long time, their vote may actually be worth a damn....
Clinton should be careful of this....
There's name for that effect that came when clear black favourite lost elections. Many white voters were affraid being labelled racist so either said don't know or lied on polls
It can provide significant discrepancies in otherwise well-calibrated polling schemes. While I do believe any boost in Trump votes will be somewhat mitigated by increased voter-turnout from those opposed to him, I'd not be surprised if Trumps numbers still rise quite a bit on election day compared to the polls.
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whembly wrote: Trump supporters are open carrying by the polls?
I'm probably wrong, but I thought it was illegal to have a gun near a voting station?
I base this on the fact that you don't allow guns in a court house, so maybe the same applies to a voting station?
The gun was holstered and the dude was standing outside.
The story in question took place in Virginia, an Open Carry state.
How unsurprising. We've been hearing about that Black Panther with the nightstick for literally years, even opened up a DOJ investigation with it's own attendant scandal IIRC, but now there's a guy with a gun outside asking people how they're going to vote, and it's NBD because he's Team Red.
Who could have foreseen this shocking development?
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whembly wrote: Trump supporters are open carrying by the polls?
I'm probably wrong, but I thought it was illegal to have a gun near a voting station?
I base this on the fact that you don't allow guns in a court house, so maybe the same applies to a voting station?
The gun was holstered and the dude was standing outside.
The story in question took place in Virginia, an Open Carry state.
How unsurprising. We've been hearing about that Black Panther with the nightstick for literally years, even opened up a DOJ investigation with it's own attendant scandal IIRC, but now there's a guy with a gun outside asking people how they're going to vote, and it's NBD because he's Team Red.
Who could have foreseen this shocking development?
"Team Red"?
You of all people should know there's a difference between some dude "open carrying" properly vs a couple of Black Pathers dressed up in full regality brandishing a billy club.
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