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sirlynchmob wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Gary Johnson is looking a bit election spoilerish

You'd think third party candidates and their voters would learn after a while...

I'm sort of scared to follow the new at this point, the idea of him winning makes me physically ill. People keep saying she's a guaranteed win, but it is far too close for comfort.

For the people voting for 3rd party candidates, we have no way of knowing who'd they'd pick between the 2. Sure they could shift it to hillarys favor, or they could just increase trumps lead. I'm more curious about utah tonight and he'll show that Florida could have went for Joe Exotic if all those people who wasted their votes on trump had voted for him instead.

We know people who voted 3rd party had the opportunity to pick either and chose not to. Those aren't lost votes for Clinton or Trump those are votes they never had in the first place.

Also, rural counties report first at that is R territory.

How the hell do those last few Florida percentages take an age to count?

 Zywus wrote:
How the hell do those last few Florida percentages take an age to count?

Because grandma forgot her reading glasses

You can't exactly take rights away.

 Zywus wrote:
How the hell do those last few Florida percentages take an age to count?

My guess is more slow reporting.... they probably want to avoid another 2000.

 djones520 wrote:

 infinite_array wrote:
You guys think that's bad?

We're looking at a GOP controlled Congress.

So that either means we have a Clinton presidency with a GOP Congress, which means we'll have more of the same for the next four years, unless we get a big swing in 2018. And it'll probably be worse. So get ready for another anti-government demagogue to come along in 2020.

Or we get a Trump presidency with a GOP Congress. And I'm freaking out thinking about that. If you're gay, or an immigrant, or anyone remotely brown, or a woman, or anyone who was Anti-Trump, get ready to have your rights curtailed.

You do realize the GOP congress kinda hates Trump, right?

It's clearly better to drink your own kool-aid and start panicking than to keep a level head.

No matter who is elected, both have massive disapproval numbers. The winner will be a weak President and likely a one-term President at that.

 Zywus wrote:
How the hell do those last few Florida percentages take an age to count?

Because they are in big, heavily populated counties with tons of votes to count.

 Breotan wrote:

 infinite_array wrote:
And I'm freaking out thinking about that. If you're gay, or an immigrant, or anyone remotely brown, or a woman, or anyone who was Anti-Trump, get ready to have your rights curtailed in favor of an angry, shrinking group of people.

Aside from being a completely idiotic statement, how do you expect Trump to curtail civil rights? Seriously, explain to me exactly how it gets done.

How about banning Muslims, for a start?

Er, 'scuse me, 'extreme vetting'.

And before we get into 'he just meant immigrants', no, he talked about banning Muslim citizens from re-entering the country, and then he walked it back.

How is this so close? Even if Clinton wins, the fact that Donald Trump got this close to the Presidency is disturbing.

 Zywus wrote:
How the hell do those last few Florida percentages take an age to count?

Because Florida has a good history of being very important, so they're making doubly sure.

 Breotan wrote:

No matter who is elected, both have massive disapproval numbers. The winner will be a weak President and likely a one-term President at that.

If Trump wins I definitely hope for one-term, but could easily see Clinton being a one-term as well.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
You can't exactly take rights away.

except they do, People have had their right to vote taken away and their right to own guns. Plus you just need to declare someone a terrorist and ship them to cuba til they die of old age and never give them their right to a trial by their peers. Let's not forget #repealthe19th.

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 Breotan wrote:

 infinite_array wrote:
And I'm freaking out thinking about that. If you're gay, or an immigrant, or anyone remotely brown, or a woman, or anyone who was Anti-Trump, get ready to have your rights curtailed in favor of an angry, shrinking group of people.

Aside from being a completely idiotic statement, how do you expect Trump to curtail civil rights? Seriously, explain to me exactly how it gets done.

Easy. All the Republican party has to do is continue their march towards turning our democracy into a theocracy. The GOP has proven quite willing to completely ignore the separation clause.

Local (ex)politicians and pundits were on the radio complaining about how gerrymandering has made many local races not really races at all as there would be no way for someone else to win in those areas. That, and other elements, made them lament that the story in my state this year is that while people bitch and moan about wanting good people they what they really do is ignore the actual people running and look at the letter behind their name.

 djones520 wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
How the hell do those last few Florida percentages take an age to count?

Because Florida has a good history of being very important, so they're making doubly sure.

Gotta make sure those chads keep hanging.

Utah is still too close and Evan McMullin was mentioned!

His mother is so proud.

 Easy E wrote:
Did you look at the state forecast? How about the 28% he gave Trump yesterday?

Umm, what? Saying someone has a 28% chance doesn't mean it's wrong when it happens. That's like saying its wrong that a D4 has a 25% chance of rolling a one, because when you rolled the die it came up a 1. 28% means it is something with a real chance of happening, it is less likely than not, but it is possible.

And it's happening exactly how Silver said it could - because Trump could out-perform his polls in the swing states, and if he does so then he will likely also threaten a win or two among Clinton's firewall, which was nowhere near as strong as many had assumed.

Well I have to go to bed now, somebody warn me if the world has collapsed by tomorrow.

Only one thing comes to mind watching this all unfold.

http://i.imgur.com/tIlDzZ9.mp4

The Evan McMullin thing might actually happen. fething amazing.

 sebster wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
Did you look at the state forecast? How about the 28% he gave Trump yesterday?

Umm, what? Saying someone has a 28% chance doesn't mean it's wrong when it happens. That's like saying its wrong that a D4 has a 25% chance of rolling a one, because when you rolled the die it came up a 1. 28% means it is something with a real chance of happening, it is less likely than not, but it is possible.

And it's happening exactly how Silver said it could - because Trump could out-perform his polls in the swing states, and if he does so then he will likely also threaten a win or two among Clinton's firewall, which was nowhere near as strong as many had assumed.

I said if Trump wins VA and Fl Silver would be proven wrong. He called them for HRC.

I still do not think he will be wrong.

Fox has called virginia for clinton, I think.

 Spinner wrote:
How about banning Muslims, for a start?

Can't force citizens to leave the country nor prohibit them from practicing their religion. As for foreigners, nobody has a "right" to come to America, just like I don't have a "right" to go to Norway or India.

 Spinner wrote:
Er, 'scuse me, 'extreme vetting'.

Again, no rights violated. Foreigners don't have any right to come to the USA just as Americans don't have any right to go to another country, even Canada.

 Spinner wrote:
And before we get into 'he just meant immigrants', no, he talked about banning Muslim citizens from re-entering the country, and then he walked it back.

Can't be done. The President doesn't have the authority. He can't even prohibit "undesirable" Americans from being deported back to us from foreign countries.

 Spinner wrote:
How is this so close? Even if Clinton wins, the fact that Donald Trump got this close to the Presidency is disturbing.

It's this close because Hillary is an awful person as is Trump.

sirlynchmob wrote:
except they do, People have had their right to vote taken away and their right to own guns.

Who, other than convicted felons. The only previous time a group has had their rights curtailed was the Japanese-Americans interned during WWII - and that was a Democrat that did that with Congressional approval. Trump couldn't pull that off in his wildest fever dreams.

sirlynchmob wrote:
Plus you just need to declare someone a terrorist and ship them to cuba til they die of old age and never give them their right to a trial by their peers.

Because that's happened so many times in the past 14 years, right? Wait. It hasn't happened even once? Gosh.

sirlynchmob wrote:
Let's not forget #repealthe19th.

You don't seem to understand how the Constitution works, do you? It takes a new amendment to eliminate an old one. An attempt to repeal the 19th Amendment wouldn't pass any State legislature. Well, maybe North Carolina but they're special like that.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Easy. All the Republican party has to do is continue their march towards turning our democracy into a theocracy.

I don't even know where to begin with you. Seriously, it's like you're not even trying.

It's easier to just ignore it Breotan. If they already believe stuff like that, nothing you say will change it.

Anyways, NY Times has Trump at 82% chance of winning the election.

CNN has called Ohio for Trump, despite some 30-40% of votes left to count/report.

 djones520 wrote:
It's easier to just ignore it Breotan. If they already believe stuff like that, nothing you say will change it.

Sigh... you're right. Anyway, has anyone heard anything about Utah? I still want Evan McMullin to win just out of spite.

 Breotan wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Easy. All the Republican party has to do is continue their march towards turning our democracy into a theocracy.

I don't even know where to begin with you. Seriously, it's like you're not even trying.

Theocracy is on the horizon with this Religious Right. If you can't see that you must be blind.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
CNN has called Ohio for Trump, despite some 30-40% of votes left to count/report.

So has fox