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I have little interest in the rules...it doesn't seem interesting to me. However I always am happy to see another manufacturer (particularly one with decent financial backing) diving into something like this. I can't really say much about the figures as I haven't seen nearly enough close-up, high-res stuff on them. But I suspect that in the future you'll be able to pick up boxes of this stuff for 20-30-40% off at places like Miniature Market --- so if there are any goodies hiding in the lineup, that's a plus.

If there are some cool larger models/monsters that's a plus (I mainly collect fantasy stuff for dungeon crawls).

 Kriswall wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
Models, movement trays, cards, counters, templates, and dice? That's a lot of stuff to keep up with. This game's going to be a pain to transport.

You'll have models with literally every table top game, so no sense in complaining about transporting models. You'll also have movement trays in almost every rank and file table top game. These have the advantage that they're all exactly the same size (length and width), so they'll likely stack well. Cards, counters and templates take up roughly the same space as a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. In fact, just use a sandwich bag... maybe one of the quart sized ones if the templates are longer. This game will use fewer dice than you're used to. The core set comes with six dice. Realistically, I doubt you'll ever need more than the core six plus an extra dice pack 6. For AoS/40k, it's common to have 50+ dice for your army.

For FFG's other table top games (Armada, X-Wing), the two most common storage systems are foam trays (Battlfoam, Feldherr, etc) or large tackle boxes. I'm a fan of the Plano 7771. It was lots of space for models, cards, counters, dice, a spare pair of gloves, some sun glasses, a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and more! I use separate 7771's for Armada, X-Wing, Descent, Arcadia Quest and Zombicide: Black Plague. I have a 7771 sitting at home waiting for Runewars to hit the stores.

I'm not referring to space, I'm talking about keeping everything together and in order. It takes me long enough to set up my army for 40k and AoS. I can't imagine having to do that plus match the counter to the unit, plus sort through my cards to find the ones I want to use that game. It all just feels so cluttered to me. The mechanics I've seen are interesting, but overall the game doesn't interest me.

Smellingsalts wrote:
Barriers to entry 1) No pre-painted models, 2) Only two factions, 3) Cool background is absent. The models are too generic. Just buy the starter and get the movement templates and rules. Then do what wargamers have done for ages. Buy the models from your favorite miniatures line and mount them on wooden/plastic bases of the correct size. Someone will spoil the cards in the packs online, so now no one needs to buy them. Without miniatures sales this game will die.

To play the devils advocate here...

1. Prepainted is nice, but it doesn't work for mass model games, which this is. X wing and Armada are only a few ships, and mostly 2-3 colors in total, because they are ships. I guess I can see how some rather get prepainted because its FFG and they have done it in the past, but only when it makes sense. None of their other games have prepainted, no do anyone else offer prepainted because the god awful DND minis from wizkids

2. They already stated there will be atleast 4. Not out the gate, but the humans get a elf ally, and the demon worshipers from their battlelore game will be in it also. My guess is more factions are a year away, but you might get smatterings of allies til then for each side

3. I guess you haven't played their other games, battlelore or runewars? all the same setting and its actually pretty cool once you get involved in it. This game will flush out that world more im sure.

4. Models fit the theme of the other mentioned games, which how they play and what they get is a little different and has unique aspects.

5. Your plan to just mount them is going to be a issue. The movement trays have a peg in them, that the base of the mini fits into so it stays nice and snug where it needs to be and lets you move it without falling over. Youll need to cit out every peg to get bases to fit inside their circle holders.


The real concern is will this turn into X wing. Requirement to buy everything to get the cards, old models being crap compared to new models, and the expansion packs (such as the archers) that are sold outside of the core set having new cards from the archers inside the core set. Also being FFG, their distribution is the worst ive seen from most big name companies.

The point is more that yet another fantasy world setting that looks fairly generic isn't going to excite people into the game who aren't already invested for one reason or another. I play KoW but completely ignore their "Not-Warhammer because this and that are slightly different" background. That's kinda where this fits in. If you're already into it, then that's cool but it's not going to suck anyone in as the core box items are pretty generic fantasy looking.

str00dles1 wrote:

5. Your plan to just mount them is going to be a issue. The movement trays have a peg in them, that the base of the mini fits into so it stays nice and snug where it needs to be and lets you move it without falling over. Youll need to cit out every peg to get bases to fit inside their circle holders.

I think you misunderstand. Buy models (from anywhere). At that point there are lots of ways to do it. Buy or make movement trays of whatever the correct size is - no need to get the official ones! Blu/poster-tac the models onto the movement tray. Play game. No-one who is going to DIY the game would care about FFG's "pegs". Holes for model bases isn't a new concept. Nor is just sticking them down to the correct size unit base.

Smellingsalts wrote:
Barriers to entry 1) No pre-painted models, 2) Only two factions, 3) Cool background is absent. The models are too generic. Just buy the starter and get the movement templates and rules. Then do what wargamers have done for ages. Buy the models from your favorite miniatures line and mount them on wooden/plastic bases of the correct size. Someone will spoil the cards in the packs online, so now no one needs to buy them. Without miniatures sales this game will die.

You could say the same thing about Star Wars X-Wing. After all, the models in that game are entirely optional and there for visual appeal only. The game is entirely played with the bases. One could easily use cardboard squares with some sharpie lines drawn on them. FFG's sales seem to say that doesn't really happen. Most people who play the game will probably just buy the models.

As to your points...
1. Pre-painted models are definitely the exception to the rule. How many rank and file table top war games come with pre-painted miniatures? Is it a barrier to entry? Not really. These models will be easier to work with than GW's models. In that sense, from a hobby standpoint, the barrier to entry is much lower.
2. Four factions. Only two are available in the core box. The others will be available at some point after launch. We've already seen photos of the other two factions (one is Elves, the other is sort of a Nomadic Demonblood Human vide).
3. There is actually a ton of background across the various Runebound world games. You might not have read it and you might not like it, but it's there. Plus, they've announced a background book, which will essentially be like a 40k BRB without the rules... fluff only.

 Elbows wrote:
But I suspect that in the future you'll be able to pick up boxes of this stuff for 20-30-40% off at places like Miniature Market --- so if there are any goodies hiding in the lineup, that's a plus.

And if they do that then they can expect to lose their access to the supply line with FFG/Asmodee whether direct or through 3rd party distributors thanks to last year's unfriendly to discounters (whether online or not) and to a lesser extent online stores in general policy changes... so, no, you shouldn't count on getting more than 20% off as they're following in GW's douchesteps.

GW doesn't have a set discount actually to my knowledge. But I will say I haven't made any FFG purchases outside of the GW firesale since Asmodee put that change into effect. Armada just doesn't feel worth it at the discounted price I can get it for online.

Huh.

They seemed to notice when the internet blew up over their prices (well, our little corner of the internet)

They changed the prices. They're now listed as $25

Thanks FFG!

Well there you have it! Good work, Dakka (and everywhere else that made an outcry about the prices )

I am familiar with the Runewar brand, it just seems generic and uninteresting. Several people have pointed out that there are no mass combat games with pre-paints and that is my point. If this one had been, it would have distinguished itself from all others and IMO had a shot. But there are already several games occupying this space. Every game designer thinks their game will sell because the game itself is awesome. Only 1 in 10 of them is right. I have a closet full of miniatures games that are dead, and now a moment of silence for.....Chainmail, D&D Battlesystem, Warzone, Confrontation, Ragnarock, AT-43, 3 versions of Dust (god bless them they are still trying) Vor, Chronopia, Leviathan, Crucible, Fantasy Warriors, all of the GW games no longer in production, Centurion, Interceptor, ...........

 Hulksmash wrote:
GW doesn't have a set discount actually to my knowledge. But I will say I haven't made any FFG purchases outside of the GW firesale since Asmodee put that change into effect. Armada just doesn't feel worth it at the discounted price I can get it for online.

You are correct and I was mistaken. They look like they changed that in their most recent 2013 retailer TOS after putting in a bunch of other restrictions. I haven't been following GW too closely in 8th edition (can't stand the changes) so assumed they carried over from their earlier restriction limiting standard discounts to 20% off.

They do have restrictions though, which is a key point. They may hide them better, but they are there.

I guess I have lived under a rock and skipped over this. This is pretty interesting, I really want to check it out now.

I just saw this a bit ago, it looks interesting. FFG's games tend to be heavily competitive focused (X-wing and Star Wars: Destiny) so I wonder if this will be similar, a highly competitive game.

In any event, it looks neat. Not sure it's worth jumping on but certainly will follow.

I like almost everything I've seen for this game so far. I am excited and we'll see what it actually looks and plays like when we get the game in a few months.

The fantasy scene really died out when AoS came out in my area. KoW tried real hard but just didn't quite catch on; I'm hopeful this will get big enough that I can drop by and get some pick up games with a fantasy game again.

ive had a lot of fun playing with games from this company recently. Their designers have a "game first" philosophy which I like.

dosiere wrote:
I like almost everything I've seen for this game so far. I am excited and we'll see what it actually looks and plays like when we get the game in a few months.

The fantasy scene really died out when AoS came out in my area. KoW tried real hard but just didn't quite catch on; I'm hopeful this will get big enough that I can drop by and get some pick up games with a fantasy game again.

ive had a lot of fun playing with games from this company recently. Their designers have a "game first" philosophy which I like.

They have great ideas, and components are always top notch, but the actual distribution blows for FFG. You name any FFG big game the last few years and its been horrible at launch. Destiny is still suffering bad because people cant get boosters.

I do the rules, gameplay, and world, but I see this suffering how X wing is. People just release this is mostly a fantasy reskin in ways on how things will be released and I don't see this picking up off the ground. Popular out the gate, but only hard core fans will keep it going. It doesent have the IP of star wars to get new people into it.

I know you said KoW didn't pick up, but try doing it in 6mm. You can have massive battles, it looks great on a 6x4 (or smaller) and its dirt cheap as 6mm fantasy is easy to get.

Do we have a price point for this? I can't recall if this was mentioned or not.

Here's the FFG page.
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/products/runewars-the-miniatures-game/

$100 for the core game and $25 per boxed set expansion thus far. The expansions were initially being noted as $30 each but FFG apparently changed their mind---possibly after sites like board game geek and dakka raised much smell about $30 being too expensive.

Thanks Privateer4hire. Ouch. I take it that is US prices. So over $130 Canadian.

I am interested in trying the game. FFG has tight rules that function well on the table and often make for enjoyable playing experience.

The issue I have is the lack of forces. Only 2 armys to start and not a lot to build on them. What this needs is a starter pack that includes dice and movement/measurement pieces and start collecting boxes for each army. If I am going to play undead I don't want the other guys. And if I was going to sell off the other guys I imagine the other guy would need all those materials to play.

No worries there. I was at my local game store and they have a promotional poster up for the game and there are clearly two additional factions shown Some kind of wood elf/ Circle faction and a huge ogre ish/ Orc faction as well. Don't recall the faction names but they are clearly coming as well.

 Lance845 wrote:
I am interested in trying the game. FFG has tight rules that function well on the table and often make for enjoyable playing experience.

The issue I have is the lack of forces. Only 2 armys to start and not a lot to build on them. What this needs is a starter pack that includes dice and movement/measurement pieces and start collecting boxes for each army. If I am going to play undead I don't want the other guys. And if I was going to sell off the other guys I imagine the other guy would need all those materials to play.

Yes, they've gone for the 2-player starter set. I reckon that won't work for everyone. It probably shouldn't be too much trouble to split a starter pack with someone, or put up the faction you don't want on ebay.

They've already announced two more armies (elves and demon guys), but we don't yet know how those will be packaged and sold. I wonder if they might go for the one player starter set?

FFG has never let me down before with previous games I've bought: X-wing, LOTR LCG, Arkham Horror, Fury of Dracula etc etc

so I'll be buying this.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
FFG has never let me down before with previous games I've bought: X-wing, LOTR LCG, Arkham Horror, Fury of Dracula etc etc

so I'll be buying this.

Be sure to let us know how it is.

str00dles1 wrote:


They have great ideas, and components are always top notch, but the actual distribution blows for FFG. You name any FFG big game the last few years and its been horrible at launch. Destiny is still suffering bad because people cant get boosters.

Really? Every FLGS around here is sitting on boxes and boxes or boosters, but you can't find a starter set for love or money.

We can't keep boosters Or starters in stock here. Iirc our last restock was an allocation of ten boxes of boosters, we restricted it to one box per person at most, and they were all sold out two days later.

Ashitaka wrote:

str00dles1 wrote:


They have great ideas, and components are always top notch, but the actual distribution blows for FFG. You name any FFG big game the last few years and its been horrible at launch. Destiny is still suffering bad because people cant get boosters.

Really? Every FLGS around here is sitting on boxes and boxes or boosters, but you can't find a starter set for love or money.

It's a thing with canadian distribution. Every shop in Mtl was overstocked, and are getting refilled weekly.
It's really bad(for my wallet). I have three shop within 10 minutes walk away from my place. And only one Vader dice!

Very interesting to see the preorders on Wayland saying the recommended prices for expansions are £27.99 given they're $24.95.

That's enough to make me go "probably not".

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Very interesting to see the preorders on Wayland saying the recommended prices for expansions are £27.99 given they're $24.95.

That's enough to make me go "probably not".

Well maybe that does not factor in the inital price drop or it could be thanks to the drop in sterling which was going to hit at some point.

Yeah, I sent a message querying it.