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I figured out the price issue. After a little Google fu, I realised that the price of the generator is the same in the west but much more expensive in the east. I guess this is because they are shipping from the uk instead of China. Still sucks though. The yen price has increased from ¥10,000 to ¥13,000. I hope this is a lesson to everyone to check facts carefully before overreacting.

Chikout wrote:
I hope this is a lesson to everyone to check facts carefully before overreacting.

Funny joke.

gungo wrote:
It was the same exact price!
Don't mind them. They just want to cry about anything GW do.

No. It was cheaper for us. It is now more expensive. 42% more. We're not just 'cry[ing] about anything GW do'. Get a clue.

 JimOnMars wrote:

What should they do, then? Make products at a loss?

They wouldn't be making product at loss. See how deathwatch captain is cheaper. Hell it didn't get price increase DESPITE GETTING EXTRA SPRUE!

Look at the other companies who sell similar quality plastic for cheaper. And GW has potential to sell even cheaper for better profits. They are the ones who could swamp market with high quality cheap models. Other companies couldn't compete with price if GW wanted to.

Your arqument would carry more weight if there wouldn't be other companies selling cheaper despite being less suited for cheap mass production than GW...

GW prices are high because GW decided they are ferrari or apple of miniatures so can put in deluxe price tag. Cheap models don't fit into their "we are seller of elite miniatures" image.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

gungo wrote:
It was the same exact price!
Don't mind them. They just want to cry about anything GW do.

No. It was cheaper for us. It is now more expensive. 42% more. We're not just 'cry[ing] about anything GW do'. Get a clue.

While it is understandable to be annoyed with both other users and GW, this does seem to have been a unique situation. The standard GW rate is $100 Us equals $170 Australian as seen with other products they sell. Since the previous version of the generator was manufactured in China it was cheaper for those on this side of the world. It makes me wish they would make more stuff in China.

GW set prices according to some algorithm only they understand, and maintain the same price in all territories regardless of foreign exchange differences.

If the price has gone up in Japan after transferring production from China to the UK, it clearly doesn't take into account the collapse in value of the GBP and simultaneous rise of the JPY.

do we know the price for both standard TH & LE TH?

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:Via War of Sigmar

Spoiler:

H.B.M.C. wrote:A 42% price increase?

That's nice. Thanks GW.

One step forward, 2 steps back

I'm not sure it's fair to say that everything good GW has done lately is one step forward and one product that's more expensive in one place is two steps back...

 ImAGeek wrote:
I'm not sure it's fair to say that everything good GW has done lately is one step forward and one product that's more expensive in one place is two steps back...

They were already many steps back. You could even say they were in step 'debt'. They have a long way to go.

Putting out the same model in cheaper materials for 142% the price is not step forward.

And to think the DW prices had me actually hopeful. Well, hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:Via War of Sigmar

Spoiler:

H.B.M.C. wrote:A 42% price increase?

That's nice. Thanks GW.

One step forward, 2 steps back

I'm not sure it's fair to say that everything good GW has done lately is one step forward and one product that's more expensive in one place is two steps back...

Why not? they make improvements and then they revert to Kirby methodology, Like making the new plastic Kharn more expensive . How difficult is it to check that they have a similar set that is cheaper and has more in it?

The Void Shield Generator comes on SEVEN sprues. A Wraithknight costs 90 EUR. It has three sprues (as big as six of the smaller infantry ones). There is no step backwards, the price is okay for what you get. Even when looking beyond GW pricing. Privateer Press is making you pay through the nose for such a kit.

Could someone please provide a White Dwarf photo of the price of the original resin kit? I have not found it online and would like to see how much it was in EUR / GBP.


Edit: Number of sprues corrected

Has anyone even been reading my posts? In the west (Europe and North America)the new void shield generator is the same price as the resin one. In the east (Japan, Australia etc) it is more expensive. That said the new version is in line with standard price differences between Uk and America. The malefic gate for example is $100 is the states and $170 in Australia.
I am certain that this is due to the place in which the products are manufactured and has nothing to do with the change in material.
The steep price of the new Kharn is a much more reasonable thing to be annoyed about.

Chikout wrote:
Has anyone even been reading my posts? In the west (Europe and North America)the new void shield generator is the same price as the resin one. In the east (Japan, Australia etc) it is more expensive. That said the new version is in line with standard price differences between Uk and America. The malefic gate for example is $100 is the states and $170 in Australia.
I am certain that this is due to the place in which the products are manufactured and has nothing to do with the change in material.
The steep price of the new Kharn is a much more reasonable thing to be annoyed about.

The people complaining about the price don't care about your facts. They just want to whine and complain about 'evil' GW and there 'evil' price-gouging ways.

Where were the facts posted?

Prices from WD 8 March 22, 2014

what is thranduil the elvenking? : /

(Ok hobbit) sorry for the comment.

gungo wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

 Zywus wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
I much prefer Subtle Discord's shield generator. Plus, it actually has glowing plasma. And it is roughly the same price.

Spoiler:

Subtle Disord?
It's "Dark Works" that sells that one isn't it?
http://thedarkworks.bigcartel.com/product/arcis-pattern-mk-i-hvy-shield-generator

Subtle Discord is the guy who makes it. He has a wip forum on Bolter and Chainsword.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/241839-legion-rising/page-37

That's a sweet VSG
But the problem I have with this and GW vsg is most people play the 3 shield relay and 3 of either of those is $300 and a ton of space on the board. However most times I see people play it with 1 vsg representing 3 building relays but I don't think that is kosher.

Might want to try reading the rules on the VSG first, one generator can be upgraded to have 3 shields.

Warhams-77 wrote:
The Void Shield Generator comes on SEVEN sprues.

The number of sprues alone is irrelevant. It's the number of different sprues that matters. A sprue by itself costs GW pennies to make. It's the mold that is expensive. So unless three or more different molds are involved, the cost is unjustifiable.

 RustyKnight wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:
Roundtree is trying to fix the game.

Is that why we're getting a supplement made out of cut content from two reprints as well as copies of loyalist powers with new spooky names?

To be perfectly fair, all the supplements in the world could not fix the mess that CSM have been in since mid-6th.

We straight up need a new book. Yeah, supplemental additions like expanded disciplines, formations and detachments is all well and nice...but it doesn't fix the core problems. It's literally sticking a bandaid over necrosis to cover it up instead of trying to treat it. A pretty band aid though. It even has Ninja Turtles on it.

CSM core problems?

Points costs - to my knowledge we're pretty much the only army that lacks a beneficial army wide special rule...and the closest equivalent we get is faction specific and we have to pay points for it. Our units are awkwardly overpointed across the board as though it was a 5th ed. Codex.

Random tables - Chaos =/= Random. 40k Chaos is more akin to Anarchy than Randomness. Spawndom and ascension are elements of corruption, not randomness. Part of my problem with the Eye of the Gods table is the fact it penalises us with its very existence. We don't have half the options Loyallist SM characters get - those are floating inside the table somewhere. And our points are tweaked to account for 'a benefit we may possibly get if we roll the right combination of numbers'.

Same with possessed - random table of trash rules, points cost tweaked to account for something we might get.

Not that we are guaranteed to get. Not that we can reliably get. But what we may possibly get. And these overpointed CSM characters don't account for the dud rolls we get - you know, Shred on the guy armed with Lightning Claws. +1 Initiative on the guy with the Power Fist. +1 BS on the close combat character. Those duds. Those right stinkers.

And I'm not even touching on our strange Jack-Of-All-Trades list which is remarkably sub par in every single trade because almost every other army is a specialist that does it better. We've been left this bland, open list to try and let us build Legions while SMs have had Chapter Tactics for 2 editions of their book now which pretty much does the same thing, better. Like, conceptually, WTF even is Chaos? Renegades? Dark Mechanicus? Legions? I don't know. And I get a codex of sub par flexi units for variety rather than GW taking the risk of splitting into multiple faction books or even using a simplistic trait system that has existed before and was much loved then.

No, to fix this we essentially would need a whole new codex with rules rebalanced, units tweaked and more.

Instead we get a supplement.

An overpointed unit will still be horrendously overpointed even if it's in a formation. Even if that formation is part of a decurion. Tacking on more special rules isn't what our rotting festering sore of a wound needs for treatment. I mean, hells yeah, I'm happy with the idea of a TMNT band-aid...but kind of want to point out that we could do with some anti-septic at the very least to try and help fix some of the problems.

You know, before our leg falls off.

Thanks, Chikout and Reiner

Of course it matters, it is a large model. That was my point. I do not talk about economics of gw's model production which we know no facts about

Warhams-77 wrote:
Thanks, Chikout and Reiner

Of course it matters, it is a large model.

10 same sprues vs 10 different sprues is HUGE difference in terms what it costs to GW.

If it's identical sprue it costs almost literally same for GW whether they pack 1 or 10 sprues.

Difference comes in terms of different sprues.

And then we have the standard GW deluxe-price-tag.

Apparently, the sprues are laser cut and each one cost tens of thousands of dollars to make. So multiple sprues that are the same drastically reduces the cost to GW. From what I can tell, GW doesn't really appear to use gated sprues (sprues that are the same for one part, but different for another). There are telltale marks on gated sprues that indicate that. So if there is a sprue that is largely identical, but still contains different parts, that requires a completely different, highly expensive, mold to produce.

It really is bizarre that the price is drastically different for countrits like Australia and Japan, but not the US. Sorry to all the Aussies out there.

Thank you, Reiner. My google-foo was weak!

So that people can compare the 2014 price to the new price:



Currency: Old/New
British Pound Moneys: 65/60
Euro: 85/85
dkr: 650/600
skr: 780/720
nkr: 720/660 (A bit fuzzy)
zl: 325/300 (Again, fuzzy)
fething USA! Burgers, Chicks, and Freedom Guns!: 100/100
Canadian Monopoly Money: 120/120 (In the new picture, it kind of looks like 170. Fuzzy)
AU (Astronomical Units? fething awesome!): 120/170
NZ: 130/200, because feth you!
rmb (Now I know you’re just making gak up, GW): 650/600
Yen: 10,500/13,800 (Might be 13,600)

So, it went down in price in some areas, but up substantially in others.

So the plastic one is cheaper in China and the UK, Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Poland, the same in the US, Canada and the European Union and more expensive in Australia, New Zealand and Japan compared to the old one.

Ok then. It being cheaper in China kinda ruins the "old one was made in China so costs all countries in the Eastern Hemisphere less" theory.

The sad fact is that GW charges an outrageous shipping charge to the east. When I order a product here in Japan on the Japanese web store it is usually shipped from the uk. They obviously sell few enough products here that it is not worth keeping a warehouse in Japan stocked. This has a direct effect on the pricing. I am sure Australia is similar, though I would imagine they have a much bigger audience there.
Edit. Ok I'll admit the China price is an outlier. That's odd. They are paying £68 at current exchange rates. Here in Japan it is £103

jullevi wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
Am I the only one who's noticed that it says it comes on seven sprues?

With scenery, the number of sprues hardly indicates anything. If sprues mean 'frames that are separate in a box", then Overlord Bastion (Chaos Dreadhold) alone comes with 12 or so sprues.

The Dreadhold is also a bundle, giving you the Skull Keep plus extra sprues.

The resin one was packaged like this:




Fancy

Why does GW even bother with different pricing in different locations. Just put everything in £s and let the exchange rates and S&H take care of the rest.

 Azreal13 wrote:

Davor wrote:

I am not the only one who doesn't see value right now.

Really?

Calth, Overkill, Kill team, Renegade, Stormcloud Assault, Start Collecting, £18 models free with White Dwarf, with discounted subscriptions, bundles of characters at a significant discount etc, etc, etc.

You're not seeing the value? Even when most of these are available through third parties at even further discounts?

Sorry, but there's no arguing with that - maybe you don't want to buy these things, but there's no denying the value, these discounts, when factored into the generally high quality of construction of GW kits, which arguably justifies a premium over some manufacturers (just not the premium they've been trying to extract,) make them compelling offers.

If 8th manages to make the game interesting to me to play once again, GW will have turned things around completely for me. But that is the biggest and hardest one of all.

You said value in the game, I am not talking about individual boxsets that clearly have savings value for money. But for your example since I am mostly filmier with Tyranids where is the value if I want to buy Mawlocks? I don't have no money savings there? Also where is the value in Mawlocks because of poor wording, and poor rules and then FAQs that make them even more confusing now?

Please don't say there is no arguing, I am going by what you said. So if I don't see value why are you moving the goal posts now? Maybe we are talking about two totally different things. You are talking money value, I am talking about gaming value and worth value in time, energy, money and effort.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I'm not sure it's fair to say that everything good GW has done lately is one step forward and one product that's more expensive in one place is two steps back...

They were already many steps back. You could even say they were in step 'debt'. They have a long way to go.

Putting out the same model in cheaper materials for 142% the price is not step forward.

And to think the DW prices had me actually hopeful. Well, hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

Can you please explain your 142% price? How much was it before and how much is it now for you?

Davor wrote:


Can you please explain your 142% price? How much was it before and how much is it now for you?

You might have missed my post, 5 up.

AU (Astronomical Units? fething awesome!): 120(old)/170(new)

% Price increase = (New-old)/old = 50/120 = 41.67%