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 streetsamurai wrote:


not only that, but a few options gives you the choice between hitting on a 3+ and wounding on a 4+ or hitting on a 4+ and wounding on a 3+. Which is statistically exactly the same thing, and really proves how shallow the game is.

Except that it's not once you start talking about buffs, since 3+/4+ and 4+/3+ are the same, but 2+/4+ and 3+/3+ are not the same. Neither is a 3+rr1s/4+ vs a 4+rr1s/3+. Or a 3+/3+ vs a 4+/2+.

It's only shallow if you don't actually think.

Compare to 40k, which seems deep, but then you realize that just taking Jetbikes, Grav, and LoWs in the maximum amount possible is the best answer to nearly every situation.

Requizen wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:


not only that, but a few options gives you the choice between hitting on a 3+ and wounding on a 4+ or hitting on a 4+ and wounding on a 3+. Which is statistically exactly the same thing, and really proves how shallow the game is.

Except that it's not once you start talking about buffs, since 3+/4+ and 4+/3+ are the same, but 2+/4+ and 3+/3+ are not the same. Neither is a 3+rr1s/4+ vs a 4+rr1s/3+. Or a 3+/3+ vs a 4+/2+.

It's only shallow if you don't actually think.

Compare to 40k, which seems deep, but then you realize that just taking Jetbikes, Grav, and LoWs in the maximum amount possible is the best answer to nearly every situation.

Ah yes, always taking those Ghaz and Dante and Azrael and Baneblades are the answers to every situation.

I can't believe people are still making that stupid statement about the LoW slot. It's like saying the Troop slot is broken because Scatterbikes exist.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Requizen wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:


not only that, but a few options gives you the choice between hitting on a 3+ and wounding on a 4+ or hitting on a 4+ and wounding on a 3+. Which is statistically exactly the same thing, and really proves how shallow the game is.

Except that it's not once you start talking about buffs, since 3+/4+ and 4+/3+ are the same, but 2+/4+ and 3+/3+ are not the same. Neither is a 3+rr1s/4+ vs a 4+rr1s/3+. Or a 3+/3+ vs a 4+/2+.

It's only shallow if you don't actually think.

Compare to 40k, which seems deep, but then you realize that just taking Jetbikes, Grav, and LoWs in the maximum amount possible is the best answer to nearly every situation.

Ah yes, always taking those Ghaz and Dante and Azrael and Baneblades are the answers to every situation.

I can't believe people are still making that stupid statement about the LoW slot. It's like saying the Troop slot is broken because Scatterbikes exist.

Don't be pedantic. LoW is much quicker to type than "appropriately costed SHVs/GCs".

Nobody talking about the LoW slot cares about characters - with very few exceptions made for Deathstar enablers like Draigo or Azrael. Everyone knows the LoW slot is 95% for SHVs or GCs, which are perhaps not singlehandedly messing up the meta, but are doing a darn good job at helping it screw up.

In case you somehow haven't seen this number it's appropriate for the week and we honestly need more of these kinds of 40K videos I didn't see it so sorry if someone brought this up already. Behold! Coming the Fall to a galaxy near you.

https://youtu.be/KWIpkrDmpx4

Requizen wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Requizen wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:


not only that, but a few options gives you the choice between hitting on a 3+ and wounding on a 4+ or hitting on a 4+ and wounding on a 3+. Which is statistically exactly the same thing, and really proves how shallow the game is.

Except that it's not once you start talking about buffs, since 3+/4+ and 4+/3+ are the same, but 2+/4+ and 3+/3+ are not the same. Neither is a 3+rr1s/4+ vs a 4+rr1s/3+. Or a 3+/3+ vs a 4+/2+.

It's only shallow if you don't actually think.

Compare to 40k, which seems deep, but then you realize that just taking Jetbikes, Grav, and LoWs in the maximum amount possible is the best answer to nearly every situation.

Ah yes, always taking those Ghaz and Dante and Azrael and Baneblades are the answers to every situation.

I can't believe people are still making that stupid statement about the LoW slot. It's like saying the Troop slot is broken because Scatterbikes exist.

Don't be pedantic. LoW is much quicker to type than "appropriately costed SHVs/GCs".

Nobody talking about the LoW slot cares about characters - with very few exceptions made for Deathstar enablers like Draigo or Azrael. Everyone knows the LoW slot is 95% for SHVs or GCs, which are perhaps not singlehandedly messing up the meta, but are doing a darn good job at helping it screw up.

You didn't type "SHVs/GCs". Write exactly what you mean. You're not rushed in making a post so be expected to be called out on dumb statements.

Also Wraithknights and Revenants are messed up, nothing else is.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Requizen wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Requizen wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:


not only that, but a few options gives you the choice between hitting on a 3+ and wounding on a 4+ or hitting on a 4+ and wounding on a 3+. Which is statistically exactly the same thing, and really proves how shallow the game is.

Except that it's not once you start talking about buffs, since 3+/4+ and 4+/3+ are the same, but 2+/4+ and 3+/3+ are not the same. Neither is a 3+rr1s/4+ vs a 4+rr1s/3+. Or a 3+/3+ vs a 4+/2+.

It's only shallow if you don't actually think.

Compare to 40k, which seems deep, but then you realize that just taking Jetbikes, Grav, and LoWs in the maximum amount possible is the best answer to nearly every situation.

Ah yes, always taking those Ghaz and Dante and Azrael and Baneblades are the answers to every situation.

I can't believe people are still making that stupid statement about the LoW slot. It's like saying the Troop slot is broken because Scatterbikes exist.

Don't be pedantic. LoW is much quicker to type than "appropriately costed SHVs/GCs".

Nobody talking about the LoW slot cares about characters - with very few exceptions made for Deathstar enablers like Draigo or Azrael. Everyone knows the LoW slot is 95% for SHVs or GCs, which are perhaps not singlehandedly messing up the meta, but are doing a darn good job at helping it screw up.

You didn't type "SHVs/GCs". Write exactly what you mean. You're not rushed in making a post so be expected to be called out on dumb statements.

Also Wraithknights and Revenants are messed up, nothing else is.

Adamantium Lance is still pretty insane, especially since you can bring FW Knights, or you can go with the tried and true 3-5 Objective Secured Knights with 2+ Summoning support. Properly built duo-Stormsurge lists are absolutely stupid to play against. Trip-Renegade Knight armies exist and are just as bad as you might think (oh yes 72 S6 AP3 Rending shots with Psychic support, that's fine).

Just because it's not won any tournaments doesn't mean something isn't insanely unhealthy for the meta and frustrating/unfun to play against. Both standard and Skathach Wraithknights are by and far the worst offenders, but by no means are they the only ones.

Requizen wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:


not only that, but a few options gives you the choice between hitting on a 3+ and wounding on a 4+ or hitting on a 4+ and wounding on a 3+. Which is statistically exactly the same thing, and really proves how shallow the game is.

Except that it's not once you start talking about buffs, since 3+/4+ and 4+/3+ are the same, but 2+/4+ and 3+/3+ are not the same. Neither is a 3+rr1s/4+ vs a 4+rr1s/3+. Or a 3+/3+ vs a 4+/2+.

It's only shallow if you don't actually think.

Compare to 40k, which seems deep, but then you realize that just taking Jetbikes, Grav, and LoWs in the maximum amount possible is the best answer to nearly every situation.

Absurd post to say the least, since grav guns are far from being the best choice in nearly all situation. Bring them against a daemon, a nid-ork-guard swarm army and see how well they will perform. And your example shows how shallow AOS is, cause it shows that a certain type of combinaison would always be preferable to another, under any circumstances. depending on the kinds of buff that are available to your army. In fact, the game is not shallow if you DON'T think

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Hm, a 'new' Chaos box ( i.e. re-pack ) sounds interesting, maybe it's a Daemon-Prince for CS.. without votlw.. *hope*

Nonetheless, i'm really excited for that Traitor's Hate book.

With the release of the renegades book, maybe we will see if Slaanesh is going to continue to be in the pantheon. I know 40k and AoS lore are seperate, but seems to be some parallels too. We shall see...

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
With the release of the renegades book, maybe we will see if Slaanesh is going to continue to be in the pantheon. I know 40k and AoS lore are seperate, but seems to be some parallels too. We shall see...

For the last time:
SLAANESH IS NOT GONE FROM AGE OF SIGMAR. That is garbage posting from BoLS/Faeit/Naftka.

Slaanesh is, as of this point in time, not able to exercise its power. That is why there is no Keeper of Secrets head on Dorghar(the heads are from the Champions sent to fight/test Archaon's resolve--Dorghar devoured them all after Archaon defeated them) but there is a Slaaneshi sigil on Archaon's shield(between Khorne and Nurgle).

Slaanesh is being held prisoner/sleeping off a bender of Aelf souls somewhere in the Realm of Shadow. Its followers are either seeking where it is to liberate/awaken it or outright squabbling amongst themselves for the chance to replace Slaanesh.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
With the release of the renegades book, maybe we will see if Slaanesh is going to continue to be in the pantheon. I know 40k and AoS lore are seperate, but seems to be some parallels too. We shall see...

For the last time:
SLAANESH IS NOT GONE FROM AGE OF SIGMAR. That is garbage posting from BoLS/Faeit/Naftka.

Slaanesh is, as of this point in time, not able to exercise its power. That is why there is no Keeper of Secrets head on Dorghar(the heads are from the Champions sent to fight/test Archaon's resolve--Dorghar devoured them all after Archaon defeated them) but there is a Slaaneshi sigil on Archaon's shield(between Khorne and Nurgle).

Slaanesh is being held prisoner/sleeping off a bender of Aelf souls somewhere in the Realm of Shadow. Its followers are either seeking where it is to liberate/awaken it or outright squabbling amongst themselves for the chance to replace Slaanesh.

Unfortunately I'm sure it won't be the last time...

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
With the release of the renegades book, maybe we will see if Slaanesh is going to continue to be in the pantheon. I know 40k and AoS lore are seperate, but seems to be some parallels too. We shall see...

For the last time:
SLAANESH IS NOT GONE FROM AGE OF SIGMAR. That is garbage posting from BoLS/Faeit/Naftka.

Slaanesh is, as of this point in time, not able to exercise its power. That is why there is no Keeper of Secrets head on Dorghar(the heads are from the Champions sent to fight/test Archaon's resolve--Dorghar devoured them all after Archaon defeated them) but there is a Slaaneshi sigil on Archaon's shield(between Khorne and Nurgle).

Slaanesh is being held prisoner/sleeping off a bender of Aelf souls somewhere in the Realm of Shadow. Its followers are either seeking where it is to liberate/awaken it or outright squabbling amongst themselves for the chance to replace Slaanesh.

Unfortunately I'm sure it won't be the last time...

*headdesk*

That aimed at me..?

I dont recall saying it was gone. I said continue to be in the pantheon. Xanax much

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
With the release of the renegades book, maybe we will see if Slaanesh is going to continue to be in the pantheon. I know 40k and AoS lore are seperate, but seems to be some parallels too. We shall see...

Well, since Artemis screwed up Eldrad's attempt to awaken Ynnead, how in the world would they shuffle Slaanesh off the stage? They wrote and released an event that could have potentially done that, and then had it foiled.

But, yeah, as other will say, Slaanesh doesn't seem to be gone from AoS just yet.

This favoured of chaos could be its own thing.

I am rather amused by the infighting in this thread, a wonderful and appropriate image for the impatient waiting of the coming Black Crusade.

I for one am happy to pay the points costs for the units in Codex: Chaos Space Marines as long as I get rules worth the points. If I'm paying 4 points more for a CSM than a Grey hunter with similar equipment, I want something to show for it. Formations are definitely the way to do this without investing in a book overhaul. I've been eagerly awaiting this sort of release for awhile. Gods show the Imperium mercy, because my Black Legion certainly won't!

 Kraytirous wrote:
I am rather amused by the infighting in this thread, a wonderful and appropriate image for the impatient waiting of the coming Black Crusade.

I for one am happy to pay the points costs for the units in Codex: Chaos Space Marines as long as I get rules worth the points. If I'm paying 4 points more for a CSM than a Grey hunter with similar equipment, I want something to show for it. Formations are definitely the way to do this without investing in a book overhaul. I've been eagerly awaiting this sort of release for awhile. Gods show the Imperium mercy, because my Black Legion certainly won't!

What? This is a Chaos rumours thread, you're not allowed to be positive here!

I just want information one way or another so I know whether I should drop a bunch of money on revamping my World Eaters or save it for something else.

 Cheexsta wrote:
What? This is a Chaos rumours thread, you're not allowed to be positive here!

One would need a reason to be positive. Chaos players haven't been given many, and an update to an ancient Codex (and two unnecessary supplements) doesn't exactly get us all mutated under the collar.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Cheexsta wrote:
What? This is a Chaos rumours thread, you're not allowed to be positive here!

One would need a reason to be positive. Chaos players haven't been given many, and an update to an ancient Codex (and two unnecessary supplements) doesn't exactly get us all mutated under the collar.

Unfortunately agreed. Giving formations to over-priced units doesn't help with those same formations (or better) are given to your opponent's underpriced units.

I would love to be positive about this release, but I just can't.

Of course, by "positive" I mean that if CSM is made competitive, then orks can have the bottom all to themselves.

With what we've seen I am expecting a Dark Eldaresque revamp of the Chaos Marine line and a new codex for 8th.

Of course we all know how well being the first book of a new edition has worked out for us before...

did anyone notice, spikeybits forum brings an error? ... belive even the site removed the forum tab option

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 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 buddha wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Warp Rider wrote:
Favoured of Chaos? Maybe Chosen although it would be odd to not call them just Chosen. At least Chaos is getting things finally!

Nope. Possessed + Daemon Prince rebox. No new models except Kharn.

New rules though. I'm sure they'll be well thought out and powerful and not at all phoned in. I'm so excited I can hardly wait.

I'm guessing a lot of fear and soul blaze sadly.

Hatred. Traitors gonna hate.

But only Space Marines.

They can only hate Space Marines. Not the Eldar or anyone else who's buggered them over in the past 100 centuries, oh no.

Now this is starting to sound like the Chaos release I was expecting.

- Plastic box of possessed with a Daemon Prince....and pass
- Kharn he's pretty sweet, but that price though. I'll probably still get him just to paint.
- A campaign book of potentially decent formations...well we'll see. According to the rumor mongers on B&C there limited in flexibility, so no cult theming.
- Psychic Cards for new lores...meh.