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NZ site preorders

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Warhammer-40-000

And still no real news on rules. Where's the guy that did the Deathwatch leaks when you need him?

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Roknar wrote:
Ok I could be crazy but...are they actually retconning the retcon? As in they're going with the 13th crusade again, because we actually won that and this is how they're going to "end time" 40k? As in, the 13th crusade succeeds once the this campaign is over(ish) and then we go into into 8th edition as gak truly hits the fan?

Also I agree that the first line of xorphas is just wrong. Would have been totally fine if they just removed the part about the war that he had nothing to do with aside from being an astartes. But I guess they're not done with shoving CS down our throats yet.

It was never really a retcon to start with, more of a rollback. Chaos won the world wide campaign and 13th black crusade at the closing of the 41st millennium. But until recently GW have focused the background on the time before the crusade began.

wasn't the rollback also do to people messing with campaign results?

not sure about your average rant impulsed archetypal
but wow ... kharn looks AMAZING AS HELL


EDIT 1: a ton of formations revealed too:




... looks like no new berserkers

Vindicator and Predator squadrons as well as renegade knight warlord traits are confirmed

Kharn looks amazing front on, makes you wonder why GW continue to photograph miniatures from bad angles.

'The Rules

The 136-page hardback Black Crusade: Traitor’s Hate features all-new rules content for Warhammer 40,000, to be used alongside Codex: Chaos Space Marines:

- Updated rules for fielding Chaos Predator and Vindicator squadrons;
- Chaos Space Marines Tactical Objectives, murderous and unholy, these Objectives encapsulate the Traitor Legions;
- Sorcerors of Chaos: having sold their souls to vile Daemon deities, Psykers of the Chaos Space Marines gain access to 4 new Psychic Disciplines: Sinistrum Discipline, Heretech Discipline, Ectomancy Discipline and Geomortis Discipline;
- 11 new Formations, with the Black Crusade Detachment showing you how to pick your army;
- full rules for fielding Renegade Knights in games of Warhammer 40,000, including Wargear of the Fallen Households.'

Yes, a good update of Kharn indeed

Can't believe they're selling a bundle with brand-new Kharne with century-old 'zerkers.

not sure why but I have the feeling this artwork reveals more than what we know so far

Is that Typhus?

 bubber wrote:
Can't believe they're selling a bundle with brand-new Kharne with century-old 'zerkers.

Yeah that is disappointing. Especially as new Kharne really makes the Zerkers look (even more)dated.

The Berzerkers have World Eater markings, interesting.

I still think his legs are strangely carved.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 bubber wrote:
Can't believe they're selling a bundle with brand-new Kharne with century-old 'zerkers.

Yeah that is disappointing. Especially as new Kharne really makes the Zerkers look (even more)dated.

And they are more expensive than combined together by themsevles?

The new Kharn model is getting lost in his formation picture. I can barely pick out his gold outline amidst the red. Maybe they should give him a 4+ cover save for being so indistinct.

I actually noticed the berserkers before the new model in that picture. Khran in that picture looks like a part of the background unless you look closely.

Please don't tell me I got into 40k just in time for it to end...

Nope. Just fleshing out some details as we approach the end

 pizzaguardian wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 bubber wrote:
Can't believe they're selling a bundle with brand-new Kharne with century-old 'zerkers.

Yeah that is disappointing. Especially as new Kharne really makes the Zerkers look (even more)dated.

And they are more expensive than combined together by themsevles?

nope. separately added to the cart & as a bundle costs the same (367 NZ$)

Yeah the bundles only save you the extra few seconds it would take you to add the items to your cart individually. Its the boxed sets where any savings will be, like the Favoured of Chaos Posessed and Daemon prince box.

Cryo84r wrote:
Please don't tell me I got into 40k just in time for it to end...

Time of Ending started in 2008 in the 5th Edition rulebook, which is nothing shocking but just a name for the current era of humanity for nearly ten years now. It is also referenced to as End Times. Like in the background section of 2012's CSM Codex. The last part of that codex's timeline told us about the (possible) return of Daemonprimarchs. Which is actually going to happen in late 2016/early 2017


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This has nothing to do with the rules by the way

So out of those formations the Chaos Warband, Helforged Warpack, and Favoured of Chaos look suspiciously similar to existing weaksauce Black Legion formations.

Wow... a bundle with the ancient hybrid Havocs.

And I'm wondering, why is Kharn a NZ$75 model? These guys? NZ$65 for the lot. These guys? NZ$65 for the box.

In fact *checks every box, divided into HQ/Infantry* Kharn is the single most expensive character model outside of the Crisis Commander and the 30K HQ two-pack (discounting Tyranid beasties and Greater Daemons, that is).

What. The. Feth?



Turning a new leaf under Roundtree? Not bloody likely... this price is insane...

 godardc wrote:
I still think his legs are strangely carved.

I think the issue with the legs is that from behind you can see his left leg is molded into the side of the right leg (Kind of like a race horse that clips itself while running). From the front, you can't see the pinched legs past the hanging skulls. In essence, they have pinched his legs together at the ankles rather than throwing them back or slightly to the side - so his legs only look 'normal' from a certain forward facing angle, from all others it isn't a correct aspect which our minds perceive as wrong.

Still a lovely model in line with the Dark Vengeance/Warp Talon aesthetics and well advanced past the legacy CSM models (stock Marines or 'Zerkers).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wow... a bundle with the ancient hybrid Havocs.

And I'm wondering, why is Kharn a NZ$75 model? These guys? NZ$65 for the lot. These guys? NZ$65 for the box.

In fact *checks every box, divided into HQ/Infantry* Kharn is the single most expensive character model outside of the Crisis Commander and the 30K HQ two-pack (discounting Tyranid beasties and Greater Daemons, that is).

What. The. Feth?



Turning a new leaf under Roundtree? Not bloody likely... this price is insane...

Or maybe even Rountree is unable to break the pricing curse.

Gw pricing is bizarre at times. Kharn is the same price as the tech priest dominus in Japan, cheaper in Australia but more expensive in New Zealand (and way too expensive in all those places).
I highly recommend that people skip this model and buy a start collecting box instead. If you really need a new Kharn the white dwarf mini would make good conversion fodder

Cryo84r wrote:
Please don't tell me I got into 40k just in time for it to end...

40k has been ending for 25years.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Wow... a bundle with the ancient hybrid Havocs.

And I'm wondering, why is Kharn a NZ$75 model? These guys? NZ$65 for the lot. These guys? NZ$65 for the box.

In fact *checks every box, divided into HQ/Infantry* Kharn is the single most expensive character model outside of the Crisis Commander and the 30K HQ two-pack (discounting Tyranid beasties and Greater Daemons, that is).

What. The. Feth?



Turning a new leaf under Roundtree? Not bloody likely... this price is insane...

At this rate, GW better be hoping that another IP for computer games gives them another 4 Million because at this rate the sales are going to be the same like last year. I step forward, 2 steps back. While yes it's cheaper to get into 40K now, NO WAY is it cheaper to continue with 40K. I guess GW is back to it's old plans where they want the quick few hundred bucks and then never see the new people ever again while the old die hards continue to buy the expensive stuff.

I guess GW hasn't learnt their lesson at all, or they are hoping the smoke and mirrors of them having good will that they have changed. That price is just ridiculous for a single mini. A Space Marine mini for $75 Australian? Leader or not, that is just crazy. Hate to see the Canadian price for it. At least now I know I won't be getting it. Looks like I won't be invested with 40K as long as I thought I would be. Just getting back and it looks like GW still doesn't want me back. Oh well. Guess I was a sucker giving GW over $500 this year.

It is $43 Canadian. Despite the stupidity if this price, I do think Gw are taking baby steps in the right direction. I put a little post on gw's Facebook page expressing my dissapointment.
Nobody at GW reads Dakka (I have asked) but they do read the Facebook comments.
I used to think Gw was blind to it but I do think that now that voting with your wallet will have an effect. My hope is that come the end of the year, the top 20 bestselling items are all start collecting sets. (sorry for drifting off topic)

Davor wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Wow... a bundle with the ancient hybrid Havocs.

And I'm wondering, why is Kharn a NZ$75 model? These guys? NZ$65 for the lot. These guys? NZ$65 for the box.

In fact *checks every box, divided into HQ/Infantry* Kharn is the single most expensive character model outside of the Crisis Commander and the 30K HQ two-pack (discounting Tyranid beasties and Greater Daemons, that is).

What. The. Feth?



Turning a new leaf under Roundtree? Not bloody likely... this price is insane...

At this rate, GW better be hoping that another IP for computer games gives them another 4 Million because at this rate the sales are going to be the same like last year. I step forward, 2 steps back. While yes it's cheaper to get into 40K now, NO WAY is it cheaper to continue with 40K. I guess GW is back to it's old plans where they want the quick few hundred bucks and then never see the new people ever again while the old die hards continue to buy the expensive stuff.

I guess GW hasn't learnt their lesson at all, or they are hoping the smoke and mirrors of them having good will that they have changed. That price is just ridiculous for a single mini. A Space Marine mini for $75 Australian? Leader or not, that is just crazy. Hate to see the Canadian price for it. At least now I know I won't be getting it. Looks like I won't be invested with 40K as long as I thought I would be. Just getting back and it looks like GW still doesn't want me back. Oh well. Guess I was a sucker giving GW over $500 this year.

That's an overly emotional response to the pricing of a character you could more than easily create yourself.