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 iddy00711 wrote:
Who cares about the formations, when you have new (and potentially game breaking) psychic powers.

Only "new" to CSM. They look to be copies of powers SM already got.

A psyker alone does not win a game

Tell that to Tigurius.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Tell that to Sevrin Loth

FIXED

Equally valid!

So... rule reprints of the same formations from before, psychic powers that other armies already had, and a super-over priced Special Character model.

It really does suck to play an NPC army.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:

Still email in the brief note about concerns with pricing beyond way uneven between currencies.

It isn't as simple as plugging in the exchange rate. People have no idea how trade works and think that it's free trade everywhere. Then you have to worry about taxes and repatriating profits. Do people really think GW is overcharging for the fun of it?

To import a car to NZ from the UK as an example it's roughly 3000 pounds in duties and documentation. GW product will fall under luxury goods

Absolutely, especially to Nz or Oz. But at least folks could ask GW directly and maybe get some response they could believe.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Equally valid!

Neither of whom are chaos so completely invalid.

It is worth pointing that video games are also extremely expensive in Australia.

What bothers me is the lack of pricing logic. If Kharn is the same price as the dominus in the UK, they should be the same price everywhere. It makes pricing seem arbitrary and thoughtless.

I suspect the real reason, and I'm surprised that nobody (I've seen) has touched on it, is Brexit.

Or more accurately, the fall in sterling post Brexit.

This time last year, there was around NZ$2.25 to the £, now it's NZ$1.8.

GW finds currency exchange rates strange and frightening things, so much better just to whack the price up to be sure.

So they respond to being more profitable overseas by putting the price up. A weak pound is good for exporters like gw.
On topic. We have a spare week between Kharn and gorechosen. More chaos or some random hobby stuff?

Chikout wrote:
It is worth pointing that video games are also extremely expensive in Australia.

What bothers me is the lack of pricing logic. If Kharn is the same price as the dominus in the UK, they should be the same price everywhere. It makes pricing seem arbitrary and thoughtless.

Games are only expensive depending on where you buy them, 30-40 percent discount is the norm.
What bothers everyone is the logic, I can buy two Kharns for almost the same price as a fortress of the Unforgiven or whatever it's name is. I think the difference is like 10 bucks.
2 28 mm figures or a massive terrain piece.

Didn't notice the focus on Blood Angels before today's app blurb. Wonder if they are getting anything new.
Know this isn't happening and I could just make one but I'd love to see some BA ruins/corpses as basing for CSM release .

Chikout wrote:
So they respond to being more profitable overseas by putting the price up. A weak pound is good for exporters like gw.
On topic. We have a spare week between Kharn and gorechosen. More chaos or some random hobby stuff?

I'm not even sure I believe it myself, but foreign exchange rates have very much been the villain in the narrative of the last few years of preambles (alongside "our own staff" and a bunch of other stuff Kirby felt he could point fingers at.)

A weak pound is good if you're competing with other markets as it can make you cheaper by comparison, if I were to speculate, I'd guess GW are trying to make the same margin in sterling, rather than try and capitalise on a more competitive price to stimulate demand, hence the price increase.

I'm not trying to defend it, I definitely don't agree with it, just trying to understand it. If, that is, there's any logic, however wonky, to understand at all.

Chikout wrote:
On topic. We have a spare week between Kharn and gorechosen. More chaos or some random hobby stuff?

No models no rules. We're getting the rules in the first week, and there's no indication of any new units. Resculpts of existing units? Well we've seen the Failcast Sorcerer and Warpsmith in this week's web bundles so they're out. New Berzerkers? Out. Havocs. Out. The campaign is supposed to feature Black Legion, Crimson Slaughter, Word Bearers(!), and Khorne so plague marines, noise marines, and Thousand Sons are likely out. Most likely candidates for new CSM in the next week?

Plastic Dark Apostle to coincide with the formations we haven't seen.

Chaos Deimos-pattern Rhino/Predator/Vindicator.

Plastic Obliterator/Mutilator dual kit.

Is it Xophas or Xorphas?

As Abbadon the Despoiler launches his 13th Black Crusade, the diabolical Lord Xophas bypasses the Cadian Gate and leads an invasion of the Diamor System. On the Warmaster’s orders, Xorphas commands the Crimson Slaughter, Black Legion and Word Bearers forces as he seeks a monstrous source of power that could spell the doom of the Imperium itself.

 kronk wrote:

Is it Xophas or Xorphas?

As Abbadon the Despoiler launches his 13th Black Crusade, the diabolical Lord Xophas bypasses the Cadian Gate and leads an invasion of the Diamor System. On the Warmaster’s orders, Xorphas commands the Crimson Slaughter, Black Legion and Word Bearers forces as he seeks a monstrous source of power that could spell the doom of the Imperium itself.

I believe Xophas is a typo. Either that or he gains letters to his True Name the close he gets to Terra.

What is a Xorphas? Sounds like a car.....

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:


The import duty into New Zealand on toys (including scale models) is 5%.

The mark up over UK is almost 100%.

Unless they're flying them out in hand luggage, it's difficult to justify based on import costs.

Once again. Well said. Must point out that his argument is even less solid when you consider that GW already sells comparable product to Kharn at about half the price in NZ. But then, this is the internet. Youll always find a few persons trying to defend the indefensible

No sir - there is a 15% goods and services tax:

http://www.customs.govt.nz/features/charges/feetypes/Pages/default.aspx

A big mac in the UK is 3.2 sterling and 6 nzd. If a big mac is almost double and it's food with one of the biggest, most efficient distributors what hope do you think GW will have being less than double?

Well, it's all in the pronunciation.

https://youtu.be/1j-76eLz1hc?t=33

The GW site states that the Traitor's Hate book pits Chaos against Blood Angels, AdMech amd Knights, has there been any indication that in the new few weeks we might see an Imperium Black Crusade book? So far as I'm aware these campaigns usually come in twos (Leviathan, Exterminatus, Kay'on, Mont'ka, ect) Thoughts? I want my Blood Angel Decurion

Man, I really hope this is where we see the AdMech and Blood Angels Decurions. Not that it will get me to waste any more money on my Blood Angels, but it would be cool to see more rules for them. I would really like Tank Squadrons for them. Especially since basically every update to a Space Marine faction (including CSM) has added squadrons.

Daedalus81 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:


The import duty into New Zealand on toys (including scale models) is 5%.

The mark up over UK is almost 100%.

Unless they're flying them out in hand luggage, it's difficult to justify based on import costs.

Once again. Well said. Must point out that his argument is even less solid when you consider that GW already sells comparable product to Kharn at about half the price in NZ. But then, this is the internet. Youll always find a few persons trying to defend the indefensible

No sir - there is a 15% goods and services tax:

http://www.customs.govt.nz/features/charges/feetypes/Pages/default.aspx

A big mac in the UK is 3.2 sterling and 6 nzd. If a big mac is almost double and it's food with one of the biggest, most efficient distributors what hope do you think GW will have being less than double?

Well, firstly that link isn't to anything meaningful, it is simply to a list of links. I actually went to chapter 95 (I think) of the PDFs of different tariffs, and found the toys (including scale models) entry, and it is 5%

If there are other duties, fair enough, but that still doesn't explain the margin, especially when you factor it will be paid on the wholesale price.

Secondly, £3.20 is equal to NZ$5.83 at current rates, so...


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This is getting further and further OT though, so if anyone feels the need, probably better start a thread over in DD

So, it seems like GW is going through and remaking several old Finecast characters in Plastic. It started way back with Logan Grimnar, but we have had Ulrik the Slayer, and now Kharn and possibly Abaddon based on rumors. I am wondering if we will see a new Mephiston or Dante out of this. Just spit-balling.

I am really excited for the next volume in Black Crusade. Hopefully we see more Chaos and some Blood Angels!

The assembled Ahriman looks fantastic, not sure I'll be able to justify buying him though if he is $45 like Kharn...

Rumour has it he's included in the next 30K box, so he'll al,PST certainly be part of a good deal, depending on your wants vs the rest of the box.

Just realized, Kharns price also reflects that this is a non-essential model they've been selling for $20 for 20 years?
A lot of people have this model, and may not "upgrade."

I'm still getting one however.

diepotato47 wrote:
has there been any indication that in the new few weeks we might see an Imperium Black Crusade book?

make chaos kids mad dot txt

 Azreal13 wrote:
Rumour has it he's included in the next 30K box, so he'll al,PST certainly be part of a good deal, depending on your wants vs the rest of the box.

I wish to make a thousand sons 30k army to add to my list of forces so far I have 2 BOC sets -1 dread that I have in my 40k thousand sons
Still holding on the book but hopefully 60 guys and 10 terms and a dread will give me a good core force

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So... rule reprints of the same formations from before, psychic powers that other armies already had, and a super-over priced Special Character model.

It really does suck to play an NPC army.

My thought from that is that this is a quick fix for CSM / quick buck for GW, because they know that 8th is not too far off and don't want to bother writing more rules for 7th.